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They signed a new 20 year deal with Fox Sports Southwest that will pay the team $150 million annually. Thats the highest TV revenue for a team not owning its own network.

Yet, they are still probably so far in debt right now, that barely makes a dent.

clenz wrote:Yet, they are still probably so far in debt right now, that barely makes a dent.

They paid $593 million for the Rangers part of that number was an assumed debt of $208 million. To use the money to directly pay off debt it would take one and a third seasons tv revenue. To offset the whole sale price it would be about 4 yers of the 20 year deal... Still plenty of cash left for the team. Of course this doesnt include the atleast $15 million they get from the MLB deals with FOX, ESPN and TBS. Their new tv deal alone will pay their payroll each season leaving the other revenue along with concessions, ticket sales, merchandising, advertising as a nice chunk of profits for the team.

That's $3 B over the 20-year contract. The $150 million a year seems way too high.

If a regional Fox network is guaranteeing that much to the Rangers, I'd think other teams are going to want that kind of money too.

JoltinJoe wrote:That's $3 B over the 20-year contract. The $150 million a year seems way too high.

If a regional Fox network is guaranteeing that much to the Rangers, I'd think other teams are going to want that kind of money too.

Well Texas does have the 5th largest media market of all the MLB teams (New York, LA, Philadelphia, Chicago) so they can expect a larger valued deal than most other teams. Most of the top market teams have their own networks and can make a lot more than what Texas is bringing in.

Small market teams shouldn't expect to get anywhere near what Texas got. For example, Pittsburgh gets about $50 million per season or a third of what Texas is getting, Pittsburgh shouldn't expect to come anywhere near the Texas deal.

UNHWildCats wrote:Small market teams shouldn't expect to get anywhere near what Texas got. For example, Pittsburgh gets about $50 million per season or a third of what Texas is getting, Pittsburgh shouldn't expect to come anywhere near the Texas deal.

Fuck Pittsburgh. They have the Steelers.

And fuck Cleveland. They have the... wait... oh, nevermind.

Damn, my condolences Cleveland.

93henfan wrote:

UNHWildCats wrote:Small market teams shouldn't expect to get anywhere near what Texas got. For example, Pittsburgh gets about $50 million per season or a third of what Texas is getting, Pittsburgh shouldn't expect to come anywhere near the Texas deal.

Fuck Pittsburgh. They have the Steelers.

And fuck Cleveland. They have the... wait... oh, nevermind.

Damn, my condolences Cleveland.

Fuck Delaware... they got that crazy witch lady

UNHWildCats wrote:

93henfan wrote:
**** Pittsburgh. They have the Steelers.

And **** Cleveland. They have the... wait... oh, nevermind.

Damn, my condolences Cleveland.

**** Delaware... they got that crazy witch lady

Travis, that witch lady wants to make a man out of you!

I agree: drop dead Cleveland.

JoltinJoe wrote:That's $3 B over the 20-year contract. The $150 million a year seems way too high.

If a regional Fox network is guaranteeing that much to the Rangers, I'd think other teams are going to want that kind of money too.

You're just worried that Texas might be able to afford to resign Cliff Lee.

BlueHen86 wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:That's $3 B over the 20-year contract. The $150 million a year seems way too high.

If a regional Fox network is guaranteeing that much to the Rangers, I'd think other teams are going to want that kind of money too.

You're just worried that Texas might be able to afford to resign Cliff Lee.

UNHWildCats wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:That's $3 B over the 20-year contract. The $150 million a year seems way too high.

If a regional Fox network is guaranteeing that much to the Rangers, I'd think other teams are going to want that kind of money too.

Well Texas does have the 5th largest media market of all the MLB teams (New York, LA, Philadelphia, Chicago) so they can expect a larger valued deal than most other teams. Most of the top market teams have their own networks and can make a lot more than what Texas is bringing in.

Small market teams shouldn't expect to get anywhere near what Texas got. For example, Pittsburgh gets about $50 million per season or a third of what Texas is getting, Pittsburgh shouldn't expect to come anywhere near the Texas deal.

It may be a large media market, but their local TV ratings have never been strong. That's football territory, and the only two teams which matter down there are the Dallas Cowboys and the UT Longhorns.

BlueHen86 wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:That's $3 B over the 20-year contract. The $150 million a year seems way too high.

If a regional Fox network is guaranteeing that much to the Rangers, I'd think other teams are going to want that kind of money too.

You're just worried that Texas might be able to afford to resign Cliff Lee.

Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

JoltinJoe wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
You're just worried that Texas might be able to afford to resign Cliff Lee.

Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

Sometimes I really hate you JJ.

JoltinJoe wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
You're just worried that Texas might be able to afford to resign Cliff Lee.

Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

Eh, I just get the impression he wants the money. Nolan Ryan is there now and considering very few people remember that he started with the Mets he can be a very good indicator that you don't need to be a Yankee to get long term recognition and endorsement possibilities. If Texas can pay him, he could very well stay put.

GannonFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

Eh, I just get the impression he wants the money. Nolan Ryan is there now and considering very few people remember that he started with the Mets he can be a very good indicator that you don't need to be a Yankee to get long term recognition and endorsement possibilities. If Texas can pay him, he could very well stay put.

Lee is 32 and nowhere near 5,000 Ks.

GannonFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

Eh, I just get the impression he wants the money. Nolan Ryan is there now and considering very few people remember that he started with the Mets he can be a very good indicator that you don't need to be a Yankee to get long term recognition and endorsement possibilities. If Texas can pay him, he could very well stay put.

And it benefits Texas that he lives in Arkansas.

JoltinJoe wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Eh, I just get the impression he wants the money. Nolan Ryan is there now and considering very few people remember that he started with the Mets he can be a very good indicator that you don't need to be a Yankee to get long term recognition and endorsement possibilities. If Texas can pay him, he could very well stay put.

Lee is 32 and nowhere near 5,000 Ks.

And Nolan Ryan wasn't near 5,000 K's when he became recognized and got endoresements. If Lee wins ballgames, as long as he's not in a tiny market like Cincy or Seattle or Pittsburgh then he'll get plenty of recognition. Heck, if he ends up being a Yankee killer he gets the best of both worlds - oodles of money to stay close to home and he uses the Yankees to build his recognition. Not everyone has the Yanks as their first choice. *cough* Mauer *cough*. Pretty sure we've heard of other players sure to become Yankees that never did *cough* Mauer *cough*.

GannonFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Lee is 32 and nowhere near 5,000 Ks.

And Nolan Ryan wasn't near 5,000 K's when he became recognized and got endoresements. If Lee wins ballgames, as long as he's not in a tiny market like Cincy or Seattle or Pittsburgh then he'll get plenty of recognition. Heck, if he ends up being a Yankee killer he gets the best of both worlds - oodles of money to stay close to home and he uses the Yankees to build his recognition. Not everyone has the Yanks as their first choice. *cough* Mauer *cough*. Pretty sure we've heard of other players sure to become Yankees that never did *cough* Mauer *cough*.

I fear, for the good of baseball, Mauer is the exception. I would love to see Lee fall under that category as well though. Mauer was born and raised in the Twin Cities, grew up a Twins fan, and pretty much always wanted to be a Twin. Mauer means more to the Twin Cities, with what he has done, than he would ever be to NYC even if he lead the Yankees to 5 world series titles.

Lee has been around, he doesn't have the familiy/area tie that Mauer has. I hope he stays in Texas, but I'm not expecting it.

It's possible that which ever team (Yankees or Rangers) that signs Cliff Lee will be the best in the AL next year. If the Rangers win the AL this year and make Lee a good enough offer he might stay put.

I do think Lee will end up a Yankee, but I don't think it's a done deal.

JoltinJoe wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
You're just worried that Texas might be able to afford to resign Cliff Lee.

Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

Yeah, that HIV-positive QB with the huge bank account and the shriveled nutsack!

Guys, the whole Cliff Lee leaving scenario is a pretty big deal down here and local sports radio and tv has covered the topic quite a bit. Lee is quoted as saying that he just wants to win. I think if the Rangers beat the Yankees and have somewhat of a competitive offer, he strongly consideres staying in Texas.
Obviously, players have said this before and bolted at the first hint of an offer from the Yankees. And you can definately argue he will have a better chance of winning in the long run with the Yankees.

Oh, its not just Cowboys and Longhorns down here. Mav's are a HUGE deal in DFW!

Ivytalk wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Cliff Lee is becoming a Yankee. He wants the Yankees and the Yankees want him.

Texas is like that high school kid who asked that pretty, sweet cheerleader to the dance before the quarterback of the football team did. The Rangers are that kid who just got in the way for a little while.

It won't be just a matter of the size and length of the contract. Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition and endorsement possibilities.

Yeah, that HIV-positive QB with the huge bank account and the shriveled nutsack!

Yea, that's the QB I'm talking about. Went to that little Ivy League school near MIT ... what's it called?

JoltinJoe wrote:Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition

Really? Best pitchers of all-time...

1. Walter Johnson
2. Grover Cleveland Alexander
3. Roger Clemens
4. Christy Mathewson
5. Lefty Grove
6. Warren Spahn
7. Tom Seaver
8. Greg Maddux
9. Eddie Plank
10. Phil Niekro
11. Steve Carlton
12. Garylord Perry
13. Mordecai Brown
14. Bob Gibson
15. Robin Roberts
16. Carl Hubbell
17. Randy Johnson
18. Cy Young
19. Jim Palmer
20. Dennis Eckersley

None of them going into the HOF in a Yankee uniform and Clemens was the only one who ever pitched for the Yankees. Just sayin.

89Hen wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:Lee is going to New York because of long-term recognition

Really? Best pitchers of all-time...

1. Walter Johnson
2. Grover Cleveland Alexander
3. Roger Clemens
4. Christy Mathewson
5. Lefty Grove
6. Warren Spahn
7. Tom Seaver
8. Greg Maddux
9. Eddie Plank
10. Phil Niekro
11. Steve Carlton
12. Garylord Perry
13. Mordecai Brown
14. Bob Gibson
15. Robin Roberts
16. Carl Hubbell
17. Randy Johnson
18. Cy Young
19. Jim Palmer
20. Dennis Eckersley

None of them going into the HOF in a Yankee uniform and Clemens was the only one who ever pitched for the Yankees. Just sayin.

Gaylord Perry pitched for the Yankees.

And see these guys on this list? All of them wish their name was Whitey Ford.

PS -- Where is this list from?

JoltinJoe wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Yeah, that HIV-positive QB with the huge bank account and the shriveled nutsack!

Yea, that's the QB I'm talking about. Went to that little Ivy League school near MIT ... what's it called?

Steinbrenner Poly!