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In other news, the Rays just made the 2011 playoffs.

No Lee. No Petite. Still have AJ Burnett as the 3rd starter. Yup, all is well is Yankeeland, no worries there.

GannonFan wrote:No Lee. No Petite. Still have AJ Burnett as the 3rd starter. Yup, all is well is Yankeeland, no worries there.

But we got Mark Prior and Bartolo Colon...

ToTheLeft wrote:In other news, the Rays just made the 2011 playoffs.

They'll need Damon and Manny to be half the player they were, but even with Pettite the rotation would still have been shaky. The biggest winners with his retirement are Tampa Bay and whoever emerges as the second best teams in the Central and West....

Mark Prior? Are we talking about the same Mark Prior who hasn't pitched in the majors since 2006 and has been passed around several minor league and independent league teams?

bandl wrote:Mark Prior? Are we talking about the same Mark Prior who hasn't pitched in the majors since 2006 and has been passed around several minor league and independent league teams?

What's the over/under on how many starts he makes before he has a season-ending injury. 4? 5?

Grizalltheway wrote:

bandl wrote:Mark Prior? Are we talking about the same Mark Prior who hasn't pitched in the majors since 2006 and has been passed around several minor league and independent league teams?

What's the over/under on how many starts he makes before he has a season-ending injury. 4? 5?

Considering his last 4 injuries were shoulder injuries....4 games?

Maybe he can be their 7th inning/2nd out guy so he can last until June.

UNHWildCats wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:In other news, the Rays just made the 2011 playoffs.

They'll need Damon and Manny to be half the player they were, but even with Pettite the rotation would still have been shaky. The biggest winners with his retirement are Tampa Bay and whoever emerges as the second best teams in the Central and West....

Even a "broken" Manny would be the best DH in Rays history... and that's not saying much.

Damon is still a run creator. He's not the same player he once was, but he's more than capable of being an above average player and fitting the Rays style of manufacturing runs.

And the Rays rotation is the best in the AL East. The pen is shaky, unless J.P. Howell comes back healthy.

ToTheLeft wrote:

UNHWildCats wrote: They'll need Damon and Manny to be half the player they were, but even with Pettite the rotation would still have been shaky. The biggest winners with his retirement are Tampa Bay and whoever emerges as the second best teams in the Central and West....

Even a "broken" Manny would be the best DH in Rays history... and that's not saying much.

Damon is still a run creator. He's not the same player he once was, but he's more than capable of being an above average player and fitting the Rays style of manufacturing runs.

And the Rays rotation is the best in the AL East. The pen is shaky, unless J.P. Howell comes back healthy.

When a player is done, he can fall off fast... Just look at Manny, if he dont rebound this year and he does show he is finished... it will have happened nearly instantly, so the Rays need to hope Damon doesn't meet the same potential end.... though not being a power hitter he will generally speaking fall off at a slower pace. The Rays need for Manny to not be done... Manny will need to hit around .280 and 20 HRs... thats not a given especially if he can indeed no longer hit fast balls.

Face it people you are now living in a Phillies world. Four aces.

DAMN!

I clicked right to the first post thinking it said Andy Reid.

bluehenbillk wrote:Face it people you are now living in a Phillies world. Four aces.

I'd love for the Rays to get a chance to face 'em, even tho we'd lose.

Let us American Leaguers talk about who gets to fall prey to the ridiculously stacked Phils.

ToTheLeft wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:Face it people you are now living in a Phillies world. Four aces.

I'd love for the Rays to get a chance to face 'em, even tho we'd lose.

Let us American Leaguers talk about who gets to fall prey to the ridiculously stacked Phils.

The Phillies are very much beatable and the Red Sox will prove so.... assuming the Phils can get past San Fran this year.

Can we go back to this Mark Prior thing for a minute?? Do Yankee fans seriously think he is going to make a difference?

bandl wrote:Can we go back to this Mark Prior thing for a minute?? Do Yankee fans seriously think he is going to make a difference?

I hear the Steinbrenners paid for him to have Col. Steve Austin surgery in the off season.

UNHWildCats wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:
I'd love for the Rays to get a chance to face 'em, even tho we'd lose.

Let us American Leaguers talk about who gets to fall prey to the ridiculously stacked Phils.

The Phillies are very much beatable and the Red Sox will prove so.... assuming the Phils can get past San Fran this year.

And of course, you're assuming that the Red Sox actually make the playoffs this year.

SunCoastBlueHen wrote:

bandl wrote:Can we go back to this Mark Prior thing for a minute?? Do Yankee fans seriously think he is going to make a difference?

I hear the Steinbrenners paid for him to have Col. Steve Austin surgery in the off season.

I hope there are NO rumors about this guy even having a WHIFF of the HOF. He was a second banana his entire career with NO numbers to support a candidacy.

Sorry, Joe. Clemens, Ruth, and several other Yankee pitchers have better resumes than Pettitte.

SuperHornet wrote:I hope there are NO rumors about this guy even having a WHIFF of the HOF. He was a second banana his entire career with NO numbers to support a candidacy.

Sorry, Joe. Clemens, Ruth, and several other Yankee pitchers have better resumes than Pettitte.

Ruth? As in George Herman?

SuperHornet wrote:I hope there are NO rumors about this guy even having a WHIFF of the HOF. He was a second banana his entire career with NO numbers to support a candidacy.

Sorry, Joe. Clemens, Ruth, and several other Yankee pitchers have better resumes than Pettitte.

He gets a whiff, but I don't think he gets in. But having the most wins ever in postseason play, along with 5 titles, 200+ wins, etc, at least gets him talked about. I don't think it ever gets farther along than that, but he gets discussed.

Pettitte's HOF monitor score is 126. 100 is a likely Hall of Famer. 130 is said to be a cinch.

The anti-Yankee bias of the voters will probably hurt him. I mean Don Mattingly has a 134 score ("cinch") and gets about five percent of the vote from those baseball writing slobs.

That we're even asking whether he's a Hall of Famer is indicative of the problem. If he pitched for any other team, it would be ridiculous to even ask whether a guy with a .635 WP, 240 wins, and an ERA at 3.8 (in the AL East) is possibly a Hall of Famer.

JoltinJoe wrote:Pettitte's HOF monitor score is 126. 100 is a likely Hall of Famer. 130 is said to be a cinch.

The anti-Yankee bias of the voters will probably hurt him. I mean Don Mattingly has a 134 score ("cinch") and gets about five percent of the vote from those baseball writing slobs.

That we're even asking whether he's a Hall of Famer is indicative of the problem. If he pitched for any other team, it would be ridiculous to even ask whether a guy with a .635 WP, 240 wins, and an ERA at 3.8 (in the AL East) is possibly a Hall of Famer.

There are 40% of the voters that won't vote for him because of steroids, whether he admitted it or not.

Gil Dobie wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:Pettitte's HOF monitor score is 126. 100 is a likely Hall of Famer. 130 is said to be a cinch.

The anti-Yankee bias of the voters will probably hurt him. I mean Don Mattingly has a 134 score ("cinch") and gets about five percent of the vote from those baseball writing slobs.

That we're even asking whether he's a Hall of Famer is indicative of the problem. If he pitched for any other team, it would be ridiculous to even ask whether a guy with a .635 WP, 240 wins, and an ERA at 3.8 (in the AL East) is possibly a Hall of Famer.

There are 40% of the voters that won't vote for him because of steroids, whether he admitted it or not.

Not really an issue with Pettitte. His HGH use was so limited that it had no real impact on his career.

AshevilleApp wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:I hope there are NO rumors about this guy even having a WHIFF of the HOF. He was a second banana his entire career with NO numbers to support a candidacy.

Sorry, Joe. Clemens, Ruth, and several other Yankee pitchers have better resumes than Pettitte.

Ruth? As in George Herman?

Who else?

And, Joe, as good as Mattingly was, he wasn't even close to the best 1B in even Yankee history. One would have to say that Mattingly sucked compared to Gehrig. Of course, "sucking" in THAT comparison looks completely different, compared to, say, Mark Teixeira. Even Yankee-hater me would take Mattingly in THAT contest.

SuperHornet wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:

Ruth? As in George Herman?

Who else?

And, Joe, as good as Mattingly was, he wasn't even close to the best 1B in even Yankee history. One would have to say that Mattingly sucked compared to Gehrig. Of course, "sucking" in THAT comparison looks completely different, compared to, say, Mark Teixeira. Even Yankee-hater me would take Mattingly in THAT contest.

Mark Teixeira has a much better chance at the HOF than, let's say, Pete Rose.