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StL manager Tony LaRussa is accusing the MLB players association of pressuring star Cardinal Albert Pujols to go for broke in his current contract negotiations. LaRussa says this is bad for the game. The MLBPA is naturally denying the allegaions. Pujols, a career-long Cardinal, is staying mum for the moment.

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What the cr@p does a paederast site have to do with this?

Pujols signed a long 7 year deal tht left him underpaid.... its time for St Louis to pay up or shut up...

Wasn't he the top-paid player in baseball at the time he signed? StL can't be held responsible for subsequent contracts. It's that kind of thinking that causes team chemistry/quality to go down; there's only so much $$ to go around, even in leagues w/no cap. That means the other players split less, so you get bad players than you would have had otherwise.

No one is forcing the Cards to sign him. If they don’t like his demands, they can find another 1st baseman. This is the beauty of capitalism SH.

SuperHornet wrote:Wasn't he the top-paid player in baseball at the time he signed? StL can't be held responsible for subsequent contracts. It's that kind of thinking that causes team chemistry/quality to go down; there's only so much $$ to go around, even in leagues w/no cap. That means the other players split less, so you get bad players than you would have had otherwise.

No... he gave them a hometown discount

Arod has the biggest deal.

he did them a solid - allowing them to sign others... he's the best player in the game right now... he was underpaid by a team he showed loyalty to... if i were in his shoes... i'd test the market. maybe only to re-sign...

but - consider this - the Cubs will need a 1b next season... that's what we call LEVERAGE.

SuperHornet wrote:Wasn't he the top-paid player in baseball at the time he signed? StL can't be held responsible for subsequent contracts. It's that kind of thinking that causes team chemistry/quality to go down; there's only so much $$ to go around, even in leagues w/no cap. That means the other players split less, so you get bad players than you would have had otherwise.

During the 7 year contract he was paid the following

2004: $7 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2005: $11 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2006: $14 million (17th highest)
2007: $15 million (11th highest)
2008: $16 million (10th highest)
2009: $16 million (17th highest)
2010: $16 million (22nd highest)

He will make $16 million in 2011 from a club option, he will once again not be among the top 25 highest paid players.

SuperHornet wrote:Wasn't he the top-paid player in baseball at the time he signed? StL can't be held responsible for subsequent contracts. It's that kind of thinking that causes team chemistry/quality to go down; there's only so much $$ to go around, even in leagues w/no cap. That means the other players split less, so you get bad players than you would have had otherwise.

During the 7 year contract he was paid the following

2004: $7 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2005: $11 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2006: $14 million (17th highest)
2007: $15 million (11th highest)
2008: $16 million (10th highest)
2009: $16 million (17th highest)
2010: $16 million (22nd highest)

He will make $16 million in 2011 from a club option, he will once again not be among the top 25 highest paid players.

Over the 8 years he has averaged about $13.8 million per season

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:Wasn't he the top-paid player in baseball at the time he signed? StL can't be held responsible for subsequent contracts. It's that kind of thinking that causes team chemistry/quality to go down; there's only so much $$ to go around, even in leagues w/no cap. That means the other players split less, so you get bad players than you would have had otherwise.

No... he gave them a hometown discount

Arod has the biggest deal.

he did them a solid - allowing them to sign others... he's the best player in the game right now... he was underpaid by a team he showed loyalty to... if i were in his shoes... i'd test the market. maybe only to re-sign...

but - consider this - the Cubs will need a 1b next season... that's what we call LEVERAGE.

He wont come cheap. Anyone thinking Boston and NY wont be in on it because they are set at 1B are just being wishful. Pujols knows this too, thats why he's not going to take a penny less than being the highest paid... cause if St Louis wont pay it... someone will.

TTBF: You seriously believe that a team that's notorious for NOT paying top dollar in free agency is "leverage" for Pujols over the Cards?

UNHWildCats wrote:Pujols signed a long 7 year deal tht left him underpaid.... its time for St Louis to pay up or shut up...

Did someone from the Cardinals hold a gun to his head and make him sign that deal 7 years ago? If his agent had a brain in his head, he'd have had him sign a 4-5 year deal, then he'd ahve been smack in the MIDDLE of his biggest production years, instead of on the 3rd year of a 3 year slide into oblivion.

Pujols got $111 million over the past 7 years. If he isn't willing to sign a 4-5 year deal, I'd kindly tell him to go fuck himself. Neither the Red Sox nor the Yankmees need a first baseman, so he's really up shit creek without a paddle and with virtually no bargaining power.

UNHWildCats wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:Wasn't he the top-paid player in baseball at the time he signed? StL can't be held responsible for subsequent contracts. It's that kind of thinking that causes team chemistry/quality to go down; there's only so much $$ to go around, even in leagues w/no cap. That means the other players split less, so you get bad players than you would have had otherwise.

During the 7 year contract he was paid the following

2004: $7 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2005: $11 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2006: $14 million (17th highest)
2007: $15 million (11th highest)
2008: $16 million (10th highest)
2009: $16 million (17th highest)
2010: $16 million (22nd highest)

He will make $16 million in 2011 from a club option, he will once again not be among the top 25 highest paid players.

Over the 8 years he has averaged about $13.8 million per season

Cry me a river. 25 other mistakes doesn't mean they should make ANOTHER one. I'd offer him $120 over 5 years. Take it or leave it.

AZGrizFan wrote:

UNHWildCats wrote: During the 7 year contract he was paid the following

2004: $7 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2005: $11 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2006: $14 million (17th highest)
2007: $15 million (11th highest)
2008: $16 million (10th highest)
2009: $16 million (17th highest)
2010: $16 million (22nd highest)

He will make $16 million in 2011 from a club option, he will once again not be among the top 25 highest paid players.

Over the 8 years he has averaged about $13.8 million per season

Cry me a river. 25 other mistakes doesn't mean they should make ANOTHER one. I'd offer him $120 over 5 years. Take it or leave it.

AZGrizFan wrote:

UNHWildCats wrote: During the 7 year contract he was paid the following

2004: $7 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2005: $11 million (Not among top 25 highest paid)
2006: $14 million (17th highest)
2007: $15 million (11th highest)
2008: $16 million (10th highest)
2009: $16 million (17th highest)
2010: $16 million (22nd highest)

He will make $16 million in 2011 from a club option, he will once again not be among the top 25 highest paid players.

Over the 8 years he has averaged about $13.8 million per season

Cry me a river. 25 other mistakes doesn't mean they should make ANOTHER one. I'd offer him $120 over 5 years. Take it or leave it.

if i was his agent, i'd tell him to leave it.

SuperHornet wrote:TTBF: You seriously believe that a team that's notorious for NOT paying top dollar in free agency is "leverage" for Pujols over the Cards?

if it means getting the best player in the game from their heated rivals...

keep in mind dimple... they have new owners. owners who are trying to get help upgrading wrigley... owners eager to prove they are serious about winning.

moreover - the dodgers should be emerging from their legal mess - and the Nationals and O's have been throwing money around of late as well.

and, as travis points out - having nowhere to put him won't stop the yankees or red sox from getting involved

the only big teams not involved will be the phillies (loaded with everything) and the mets (possibly in receivership by then)

Mets in receivership? They might be able to avoid that. Yahoo! is reporting that they're wooing The Apprentice King as an investor.

SuperHornet wrote:Mets in receivership? They might be able to avoid that. Yahoo! is reporting that they're wooing The Apprentice King as an investor.

mlb WILL NOT allow a man who owns several casinos to be a part owner of a team....

UNHWildCats wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:Mets in receivership? They might be able to avoid that. Yahoo! is reporting that they're wooing The Apprentice King as an investor.

mlb WILL NOT allow a man who owns several casinos to be a part owner of a team....

Yeah, the all high and mighty MLB.

The NBA has a team being run down by casino owners. (Well, I exaggerate a bit. They were horrible before these owners came in. But they're still idiot enough to shut down a title-winning team while keeping a team that can't win.) You might have a point....

SuperHornet wrote:

UNHWildCats wrote: mlb WILL NOT allow a man who owns several casinos to be a part owner of a team....

Yeah, the all high and mighty MLB.

The NBA has a team being run down by casino owners. (Well, I exaggerate a bit. They were horrible before these owners came in. But they're still idiot enough to shut down a title-winning team while keeping a team that can't win.) You might have a point....

mlb will never let a casino owner own a team.

AZGrizFan wrote:I'd offer him $120 over 5 years. Take it or leave it.

wow, $24 a year.
if he saves up all year, he might be able to afford dinner at a restaurant. ;op

I wouldn't be srprised if the shrewdest GM in baseball right now, Mr. Ruebn Amaro, who has recently put together a string of blockbusters is involved. It went public last year that the Phils & Cards talked, however so briefly, about a Howard-Pujols blockbuster. Rumors going around this morning those talks could be re-occuring lately, with the Phils floating a 8-year, $224M (that's 28M per) deal out there to extend him.

The last thing Cards fans want is to see Albert leave & get compensatory draft picks in return.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Cry me a river. 25 other mistakes doesn't mean they should make ANOTHER one. I'd offer him $120 over 5 years. Take it or leave it.

if i was his agent, i'd tell him to leave it.

Fine. Take that $30 mil a year and get 3 front-line players instead. The A-Fraud deal with the rangers proved that unless you're the Red Sox or Yankmees, a deal like Pujols is asking for is a TEAM killer.

bluehenbillk wrote:I wouldn't be srprised if the shrewdest GM in baseball right now, Mr. Ruebn Amaro, who has recently put together a string of blockbusters is involved. It went public last year that the Phils & Cards talked, however so briefly, about a Howard-Pujols blockbuster. Rumors going around this morning those talks could be re-occuring lately, with the Phils floating a 8-year, $224M (that's 28M per) deal out there to extend him.

The last thing Cards fans want is to see Albert leave & get compensatory draft picks in return.

Pujols would put the Phillies in the preseason World Series discussion

AZGrizFan wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
if i was his agent, i'd tell him to leave it.

Fine. Take that $30 mil a year and get 3 front-line players instead. The A-Fraud deal with the rangers proved that unless you're the Red Sox or Yankmees, a deal like Pujols is asking for is a TEAM killer.

I'm not disagreeing with that idea - Karl Ravetch floated that notion yesterday... I'm saying from Pujols perspective... this is likely his last contract... this is it... you're the best player in the game, go for the bank.