I'm confused about the jury verdict in the Barry Bonds case.
The jury deadlocks on the three remaining perjury counts, but convicts him of obstruction of justice? How did he obstruct justice if he did not perjure himself?
Reading the indictment, the fifth count charging him with obstruction incorporates the perjury allegations of the prior counts. So if the jury deadlocks on those counts, how can they convict on the obstruction charge?
From what I have read/heard, the conviction of obstruction is from the wacko answers he once provided to Federal Agents some time ago...Questions were asked about HGH and what not and his answers had to do with his daughters and things unrelated to the questions...
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:06 pm
by BlueHen86
MSUDuo wrote:From what I have read/heard, the conviction of obstruction is from the wacko answers he once provided to Federal Agents some time ago...Questions were asked about HGH and what not and his answers had to do with his daughters and things unrelated to the questions...
Sounds like Bonds is guilty of being an ass hole.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:19 pm
by Grizalltheway
BlueHen86 wrote:
MSUDuo wrote:From what I have read/heard, the conviction of obstruction is from the wacko answers he once provided to Federal Agents some time ago...Questions were asked about HGH and what not and his answers had to do with his daughters and things unrelated to the questions...
Sounds like Bonds is guilty of being an ass hole.
That verdict was in years ago.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:23 pm
by citdog
his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:36 pm
by Grizalltheway
citdog wrote:his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Finally, we agree on something.
Fortunately, Pujols will end up with more than bonds or a-fraud, barring injury.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:02 pm
by citdog
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Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:06 pm
by SDHornet
Someone told me the judge was going to rule it a mistrial. Anyone else hear this?
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:13 pm
by BlueHen86
citdog wrote:his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:16 pm
by MSUDuo
Grizalltheway wrote:
citdog wrote:his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Finally, we agree on something.
Fortunately, Pujols will end up with more than bonds or a-fraud, barring injury.
If he gets 40 HRs this year, he still needs to average 40 HRs a season for 8 more seasons. That puts him at 40 years old. I just don't see him hitting that many at 36 let alone at 40
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:17 pm
by MSUDuo
SDHornet wrote:Someone told me the judge was going to rule it a mistrial. Anyone else hear this?
The 3 counts he was not convicted of were ruled a mistrial
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:25 pm
by SDHornet
MSUDuo wrote:
SDHornet wrote:Someone told me the judge was going to rule it a mistrial. Anyone else hear this?
The 3 counts he was not convicted of were ruled a mistrial
Due to the hung jury?
*I'm not too familiar with court stuff as I was alway drunk in my CJ course in college and I haven't seen a Law and Order in a pretty long time.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:29 pm
by SuperHornet
citdog wrote:his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Agree with sentences 1 and 2. Emphatic, even.
But disagree on sentence 3. The all-time home run king is Sadaharu Oh.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:29 pm
by MSUDuo
SDHornet wrote:
MSUDuo wrote:
The 3 counts he was not convicted of were ruled a mistrial
Due to the hung jury?
*I'm not too familiar with court stuff as I was alway drunk in my CJ course in college and I haven't seen a Law and Order in a pretty long time.
No clue. Way over my head too...
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:36 pm
by UNHWildCats
SDHornet wrote:
MSUDuo wrote:
The 3 counts he was not convicted of were ruled a mistrial
Due to the hung jury?
*I'm not too familiar with court stuff as I was alway drunk in my CJ course in college and I haven't seen a Law and Order in a pretty long time.
this is from wikipedia
A judge may cancel a trial prior to the return of a verdict; legal parlance designates this as a mistrial.
A judge may declare a mistrial due to:
The court determining that it lacks jurisdiction over a case,
Evidence being admitted improperly,
Misconduct by a party, juror, or an outside actor, if it prevents due process,
A hung jury which cannot reach a verdict with the required degree of unanimity
Disqualification of a juror after the jury is impanelled, if no alternate juror is available and the litigants do not agree to proceed with the remaining jurors.
A declaration of a mistrial generally means that the court must hold a retrial on the same subject.
An important exception occurs in criminal cases in the United States. If the court erroneously declares a mistrial, or if prosecutorial misconduct forced the defendant into moving for a mistrial, the constitutional protection against double jeopardy bars any retrial.
I will point out that where it says 'must hold a retrial' I dont think thats accurate... the prosecution would have the right to a new trial but isnt required. Based on federal guidelines for sentencing which suggest a total of 15-21 months its probably unlikely they will go ahead with retrying him, but who knows
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:45 pm
by SuperHornet
MSUDuo wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Finally, we agree on something.
Fortunately, Pujols will end up with more than bonds or a-fraud, barring injury.
If he gets 40 HRs this year, he still needs to average 40 HRs a season for 8 more seasons. That puts him at 40 years old. I just don't see him hitting that many at 36 let alone at 40
A lot of that will depend on if teams man up and actually pitch to him. If they give him the Bonds treatment, he'll never get there.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:29 am
by JoltinJoe
MSUDuo wrote:From what I have read/heard, the conviction of obstruction is from the wacko answers he once provided to Federal Agents some time ago...Questions were asked about HGH and what not and his answers had to do with his daughters and things unrelated to the questions...
But he wasn't charged for any answer he gave investigators. If you look at the link I provided, the fifth count of the indictment charges him with a pattern of evasive and misleading answers to the Grand Jury and the only specific references are to his answers in the prior four perjury counts.
So if the jury hung on the perjury counts, how can they find him guilty of obstruction? I think the judge might vacate this verdict.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:12 am
by 93henfan
Grizalltheway wrote:
citdog wrote:his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Finally, we agree on something.
Fortunately, Pujols will end up with more than bonds or a-fraud, barring injury.
Pujols is another prick. Clean, but still a prick.
And don't tell me he's a class act because he was dancing with ritards on 60 Minutes last week either.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:37 am
by SunCoastBlueHen
SuperHornet wrote:
citdog wrote:his Father was such a great player and a gentleman. barry is a disgrace. Henry Aaron is still the REAL Home Run King of All Time.
Agree with sentences 1 and 2. Emphatic, even.
But disagree on sentence 3. The all-time home run king is Sadaharu Oh.
Wrong again.
Max Sperloch of the Witchita Semi-pro league had over 900 career home runs! Stuff that in your whomper and smoke it.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:41 am
by SunCoastBlueHen
Fucking double post.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:54 am
by clenz
From what I understand is the defense has asked the guilty verdict to be thrown out due to the mistrial on the other counts. There seems to be a hearing May 20 for it. It also doesn't sound like the government will pursue another trial. The only thing they can prove is he is a douche, which isn't a crime.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:36 am
by Grizalltheway
93henfan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Finally, we agree on something.
Fortunately, Pujols will end up with more than bonds or a-fraud, barring injury.
Pujols is another prick. Clean, but still a prick.
And don't tell me he's a class act because he was dancing with ritards on 60 Minutes last week either.
Well, I don't plan on having a beer with him anytime soon, so i'll just be happy to see someone clean with the all time record.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:40 am
by 89Hen
JoltinJoe wrote:Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Wasting bandwidth, air waves and taxpayer money.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:04 am
by Wedgebuster
89Hen wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Wasting bandwidth, air waves and taxpayer money.
Making a mess of playing a homo sport.
Re: Bonds Guilty ... of what?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:06 am
by grizzaholic
Grizalltheway wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Pujols is another prick. Clean, but still a prick.
And don't tell me he's a class act because he was dancing with ritards on 60 Minutes last week either.
Well, I don't plan on having a beer with him anytime soon, so i'll just be happy to see someone clean with the all time record.
