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I hope they win the Super Bowl. FUCK YOU DAN SNYDER!!!

I don't understand - did you want them to keep McNabb??? I understand the ire in getting him to begin with, but did you want to perpetuate that mistake???

It's always nice to find out exactly what you're worth, which in McNabb's case would be two 6th round picks.

GannonFan wrote:I don't understand - did you want them to keep McNabb??? I understand the ire in getting him to begin with, but did you want to perpetuate that mistake???

Trading for McNabb was the second most stupid thing the Redskins ever did. The first was trading him away and deciding between John Beck and Rex Grossman as your starter. @ the Redskins.

GannonFan wrote:I don't understand - did you want them to keep McNabb??? I understand the ire in getting him to begin with, but did you want to perpetuate that mistake???

I didn't really want him in the first place, but once he was here, I was OK with it. Then they go and disrespect him and lose the team making up some fake story about him not knowing the offense while Sexy Rexy puts on a clown show for the rest of the season. The entire organization from top to bottom is one giant clusterfuck. It's like they are trying to one up their last blunder with an even bigger one.

Since Brett Favre became QB in Green Bay the Vikings have had like 20 QB's and no Super Bowls, while Green Bay has had 2 QB's and 2 Super Bowls.

Gil Dobie wrote:Since Brett Favre became QB in Green Bay the Vikings have had like 20 QB's and no Super Bowls, while Green Bay has had 2 QB's and 2 Super Bowl wins.

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They've been to three.

Minnesota has been, arguably, the worst QB franchise for the last 30 years.

89Hen wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I don't understand - did you want them to keep McNabb??? I understand the ire in getting him to begin with, but did you want to perpetuate that mistake???

Trading for McNabb was the second most stupid thing the Redskins ever did. The first was trading him away and deciding between John Beck and Rex Grossman as your starter. @ the Redskins.

cough cough $100 Million Haynesworth cough cough

89Hen wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I don't understand - did you want them to keep McNabb??? I understand the ire in getting him to begin with, but did you want to perpetuate that mistake???

Trading for McNabb was the second most stupid thing the Redskins ever did. The first was trading him away and deciding between John Beck and Rex Grossman as your starter. @ the Redskins.

Think they just signed Kellen Clemens too.

This is going to be worse of a folly than the Spurrier era.

DJH - make it 20 and the Skins might give your Vikings a run for the bad QB era. Culpepper wasn't half bad before he got hurt. The only QB worth a damn the Skins have run out there was a season or two of Brad Johnson.

DJH wrote:Minnesota has been, arguably, the worst QB franchise for the last 30 years.

Could be, but don't dismiss the Skins. Since they drafed Heath Schuler...

2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)

89Hen wrote:

DJH wrote:Minnesota has been, arguably, the worst QB franchise for the last 30 years.

Could be, but don't dismiss the Skins. Since they drafed Heath Schuler...

2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)

Yikes....that's painful to look at

89Hen wrote:

DJH wrote:Minnesota has been, arguably, the worst QB franchise for the last 30 years.

Could be, but don't dismiss the Skins. Since they drafed Heath Schuler...

2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)

Vikings had Brad Johnson twice

1992 Gannon, Rich !Rich Gannon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) [57][58]
1993 Macmahon, Jim !Jim McMahon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) [59][13]
1994 Moon, Warren !Warren Moon† (15) / Sean Salisbury (1) [60][14]
1995 Moon, Warren !Warren Moon† (16) [61]
1996 Moon, Warren !Warren Moon† (8) / Brad Johnson (8) [62][15]
1997 Johnson, Brad !Brad Johnson (13) / Randall Cunningham (3) [63][16]
1998 Cunningham, Randall !Randall Cunningham (14) / Brad Johnson (2) [64]
1999 George, Jeff !Jeff George (10) / Randall Cunningham (6) [65][17]
2000 Culpepper, Daunte !Daunte Culpepper (16) [66][18]
2001 Culpepper, Daunte !Daunte Culpepper (11) / Todd Bouman (3) / Spergon Wynn (2) [67][68][69]
2002 Culpepper, Daunte !Daunte Culpepper (16) [70]
2003 Culpepper, Daunte !Daunte Culpepper (14) / Gus Frerotte (2) [71][20]
2004 Culpepper, Daunte !Daunte Culpepper (16) [72]
2005 Culpepper, Daunte !Daunte Culpepper (7) / Brad Johnson (9) [73]
2006 Johnson, Brad !Brad Johnson (14) / Tarvaris Jackson (2) [74][19]
2007 Jackson, Tarvaris !Tarvaris Jackson (12) / Kelly Holcomb (3) / Brooks Bollinger (1) [75][76][77]
2008 Frerotte, Gus !Gus Frerotte (11) / Tarvaris Jackson (5) [78]
2009 Favre, Brett !Brett Favre (16) [79][21]
2010 Favre, Brett !Brett Favre (13) / Tarvaris Jackson (1) / Joe Webb (2) [80][81]

Looks like the Skins can definitely make an argument. Lots of suck going on there.

The Vikings have had good QB's, just always missing something to put them over the top.

For the longest time it was a run defense, they were always near the bottom of the league in run defense. That got fixed, but then the Vikings didn't have a run game after Robert Smith retired. Adrian Peterson solved that issue. The pass defense was shakey (still is), the offensive line was terrible.

The QB play has been good enough to win a SB more than a handful of times since 1990.

Gil Dobie wrote:Vikings had Brad Johnson twice

1992 Rich Gannon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) [57][58]
1993 Jim McMahon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) [59][13]
1994 Warren Moon† (15) / Sean Salisbury (1) [60][14]
1995 Warren Moon† (16) [61]
1996 Warren Moon† (8) / Brad Johnson (8) [62][15]
1997 Brad Johnson (13) / Randall Cunningham (3) [63][16]
1998 Randall Cunningham (14) / Brad Johnson (2) [64]
1999 Jeff George (10) / Randall Cunningham (6) [65][17]
2000 Daunte Culpepper (16) [66][18]
2001 Daunte Culpepper (11) / Todd Bouman (3) / Spergon Wynn (2) [67][68][69]
2002 Daunte Culpepper (16) [70]
2003 Daunte Culpepper (14) / Gus Frerotte (2) [71][20]
2004 Daunte Culpepper (16) [72]
2005 Daunte Culpepper (7) / Brad Johnson (9) [73]
2006 Brad Johnson (14) / Tarvaris Jackson (2) [74][19]
2007 Tarvaris Jackson (12) / Kelly Holcomb (3) / Brooks Bollinger (1) [75][76][77]
2008 Gus Frerotte (11) / Tarvaris Jackson (5) [78]
2009 Brett Favre (16) [79][21]
2010 Brett Favre (13) / Tarvaris Jackson (1) / Joe Webb (2) [80][81]

Amazing how many QB's the Vikss and Skins have shared... Spergon Wynn might give the edge to the Vikes, but the fact that you've had 2-3 MVP's in Gannon, Favre and Cunningham... I'd say the Skins just might be worse in this category.

89Hen wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:Vikings had Brad Johnson twice

1992 Rich Gannon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) [57][58]
1993 Jim McMahon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) [59][13]
1994 Warren Moon† (15) / Sean Salisbury (1) [60][14]
1995 Warren Moon† (16) [61]
1996 Warren Moon† (8) / Brad Johnson (8) [62][15]
1997 Brad Johnson (13) / Randall Cunningham (3) [63][16]
1998 Randall Cunningham (14) / Brad Johnson (2) [64]
1999 Jeff George (10) / Randall Cunningham (6) [65][17]
2000 Daunte Culpepper (16) [66][18]
2001 Daunte Culpepper (11) / Todd Bouman (3) / Spergon Wynn (2) [67][68][69]
2002 Daunte Culpepper (16) [70]
2003 Daunte Culpepper (14) / Gus Frerotte (2) [71][20]
2004 Daunte Culpepper (16) [72]
2005 Daunte Culpepper (7) / Brad Johnson (9) [73]
2006 Brad Johnson (14) / Tarvaris Jackson (2) [74][19]
2007 Tarvaris Jackson (12) / Kelly Holcomb (3) / Brooks Bollinger (1) [75][76][77]
2008 Gus Frerotte (11) / Tarvaris Jackson (5) [78]
2009 Brett Favre (16) [79][21]
2010 Brett Favre (13) / Tarvaris Jackson (1) / Joe Webb (2) [80][81]

Amazing how many QB's the Vikss and Skins have shared... Spergon Wynn might give the edge to the Vikes, but the fact that you've had 2-3 MVP's in Gannon, Favre and Cunningham... I'd say the Skins just might be worse in this category.

I would have killed for a Culpepper era in Washington. A 5 year span with no controversy ending in injury leading into another solid year with Brittle Brad? SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-it!

andy7171 wrote:This is going to be worse of a folly than the Spurrier era.

DJH - make it 20 and the Skins might give your Vikings a run for the bad QB era. Culpepper wasn't half bad before he got hurt. The only QB worth a damn the Skins have run out there was a season or two of Brad Johnson.

hopefully that means another winning streak for the Cowboys

clenz wrote:The Vikings have had good QB's, just always missing something to put them over the top.

For the longest time it was a run defense, they were always near the bottom of the league in run defense. That got fixed, but then the Vikings didn't have a run game after Robert Smith retired. Adrian Peterson and Steve Hutchison solved that issue. The pass defense was shakey (still is), the offensive line was terrible.

The QB play has been good enough to win a SB more than a handful of times since 1990.

FIFY

Seahawks have three 3rd-stringers battling it out. But it won't really be a battle, because Leinart doesn't have a chance, and Tavaris knows the offense Bevell is installing, along with chemistry with Rice. Either way, he's a stop-gap/backup for either Luck or Barkley next year.

89Hen wrote: Amazing how many QB's the Vikss and Skins have shared... Spergon Wynn might give the edge to the Vikes, but the fact that you've had 2-3 MVP's in Gannon, Favre and Cunningham... I'd say the Skins just might be worse in this category.

Hey, I know that guy. Hmmmm, wonder where he played his college ball.....

89Hen wrote: Amazing how many QB's the Vikss and Skins have shared... Spergon Wynn might give the edge to the Vikes, but the fact that you've had 2-3 MVP's in Gannon, Favre and Cunningham... I'd say the Skins just might be worse in this category.

Hey, I know that guy. Hmmmm, wonder where he played his college ball.....

89Hen wrote: Amazing how many QB's the Viks and Skins have shared... Spergon Wynn might give the edge to the Vikes, but the fact that you've had 2-3 MVP's in Gannon, Favre and Cunningham... I'd say the Skins just might be worse in this category.

Hey, I know that guy. Hmmmm, wonder where he played his college ball.....

Three times!