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The Dodgers and Nationals agreed early this morning that the forecast tonight was unlikely to allow for a game to be squeezed in and instead of dragging fans out to sit in the rain and have players and personnel sit around for hours before cancelling a game late this evening they called it off early in the day...

In steps MLB, after the teams announced the postponement, MLB contacted the Nationals and told them to make an effort to play the game.

Well now it looks like the Nationals and Dodgers were right from the start and 14 hours after MLB told them to make an effort to play, the game has been officially postponed and will be played as part of a double header tomorrow.




Should MLB have ordered the teams to make an effort to play? Its nice to see teams willing to call off games early instead of holding fans hostage for two hours to make $$ off concessions for a game they know would never be played ***looks at the Red Sox management***

Wouldn't matter if they make up the game anyway...niether team has hopes of making the playoffs. Thas why they choose to wait so late last night to play the Yanks/O's game.

It's September and rainier than normal after many northeast cities had their rainiest August in recorded history.

The Phillies were slated for 33 games in the final 31 days due to rainouts, not to mention a game played under protest that could be revisited.

I understand MLB wanting to get games in at this point.

Fans aren't being forced to buy any concessions and most teams (Yanks and Phils yesterday for example) are offering free tickets to a game next season for anyone who wants them if they held tickets to those long-delayed games.

Did the Red Sox try to make things right?

93henfan wrote:not to mention a game played under protest that could be revisited.

DJH wrote:

93henfan wrote:not to mention a game played under protest that could be revisited.

Like many of your posts, that's an odd reaction. Care to explain?

I did just see that the protest was denied this afternoon. Not unexpectedly, Joe West maintained his lie regarding why he went to replay so that MLB had no choice but to deny the protest.

What was there to protest? The right call was made.

Joe West is a douche, and he probably did lie about why he went to replay. Who cares? The whining about that stupid call is ridiculous.

DJH wrote:What was there to protest? The right call was made.

Joe West is a douche, and he probably did lie about why he went to replay. Who cares? The whining about that stupid call is ridiculous.

There was no call of a home run on the field, so replay is not to be used. Replay is for determining yes or no on home runs only. West went to replay to see if there was fan interference which is not allowable. Now he's lying about it.

Concern about MLB not following its own rules is not whining.

Sure, the game won't matter because the Phillies are the best team in baseball and will finish as such, but the principle is what matters.

93henfan wrote:

DJH wrote:What was there to protest? The right call was made.

Joe West is a douche, and he probably did lie about why he went to replay. Who cares? The whining about that stupid call is ridiculous.

There was no call of a home run on the field, so replay is not to be used. Replay is for determining yes or no on home runs only. West went to replay to see if there was fan interference which is not allowable. Now he's lying about it.

Concern about MLB not following its own rules is not whining.

Sure, the game won't matter because the Phillies are the best team in baseball and will finish as such, but the principle is what matters.

replay isnt to determine if a HR was indeed a HR. Replay is to be used to determine if a play was a HR.. so if a play is ruled a double it can be reviewed to determine if that was the proper call or if it was a HR instead. That said I believe the use of replay in that instance was questionable and that based on what the use of replay is allowed changing the call to a fan interference out was beyond what is allowable by the umpire.

DJH wrote:What was there to protest? The right call was made.

Joe West is a douche, and he probably did lie about why he went to replay. Who cares? The whining about that stupid call is ridiculous.

Who's whining. The call wasn't/isn't likely to hurt the Phillies and nobody in Philly is that upset about this. In fact, it's gotten very little air play on the radio call in shows and most people agree that the Phils don't want to go back to Fla to replay a few innings. If the NL races were closer it would be a different story, but the Phillies are far enough ahead that even Joe West can't hurt them.

That said, umpires can't just make up rules and the Phillies had good reason to protest. Everyone knows West was wrong to use replay there, he's just lucky that he could lie and get away with it.

It's not whining, it's discussing a baseball topic, it's one of the things we do on this forum.

93henfan wrote:

DJH wrote:What was there to protest? The right call was made.

Joe West is a douche, and he probably did lie about why he went to replay. Who cares? The whining about that stupid call is ridiculous.

There was no call of a home run on the field, so replay is not to be used. Replay is for determining yes or no on home runs only. West went to replay to see if there was fan interference which is not allowable. Now he's lying about it.

Concern about MLB not following its own rules is not whining.

Sure, the game won't matter because the Phillies are the best team in baseball and will finish as such, but the principle is what matters.

Again, what does it matter why/how replay was used? The RIGHT CALL was made. You were the one talking about the game being "revisited". There is nothing to be revisited.

West is obviously a dumbfuck, but nobody got screwed in this game. I don't doubt that West lied about it, but to say that the game is in dispute is laughable.

DJH wrote:

93henfan wrote:
There was no call of a home run on the field, so replay is not to be used. Replay is for determining yes or no on home runs only. West went to replay to see if there was fan interference which is not allowable. Now he's lying about it.

Concern about MLB not following its own rules is not whining.

Sure, the game won't matter because the Phillies are the best team in baseball and will finish as such, but the principle is what matters.

Again, what does it matter why/how replay was used? The RIGHT CALL was made. You were the one talking about the game being "revisited". There is nothing to be revisited.

West is obviously a dumbfuck, but nobody got screwed in this game. I don't doubt that West lied about it, but to say that the game is in dispute is laughable.

From what I understand, they are not allowed to use replay for interference calls. They can use it for HR calls, and in the course of doing so they can call interference if they see it. (It's a dumb rule, just let them use replay for interference ).

The Phillies were claiming that the Umps used replay for interfence and then claimed afterwards they did it to see if it was a HR. I think the Phillies are right (my opinion) but it's hard to prove, unless Joe West admits it.

UNHWildCats wrote:The Dodgers and Nationals agreed early this morning that the forecast tonight was unlikely to allow for a game to be squeezed in and instead of dragging fans out to sit in the rain and have players and personnel sit around for hours before cancelling a game late this evening they called it off early in the day...

In steps MLB, after the teams announced the postponement, MLB contacted the Nationals and told them to make an effort to play the game.

Well now it looks like the Nationals and Dodgers were right from the start and 14 hours after MLB told them to make an effort to play, the game has been officially postponed and will be played as part of a double header tomorrow.




Should MLB have ordered the teams to make an effort to play? Its nice to see teams willing to call off games early instead of holding fans hostage for two hours to make $$ off concessions for a game they know would never be played ***looks at the Red Sox management***

I agree. Kudos to the Nationals for trying to do the right thing. It's a meaningless game, why punish the fans by making them either miss a game or sit in tthe rain.

93henfan wrote:

DJH wrote:What was there to protest? The right call was made.

Joe West is a douche, and he probably did lie about why he went to replay. Who cares? The whining about that stupid call is ridiculous.

There was no call of a home run on the field, so replay is not to be used. Replay is for determining yes or no on home runs only. West went to replay to see if there was fan interference which is not allowable. Now he's lying about it.

Concern about MLB not following its own rules is not whining.

Sure, the game won't matter because the Phillies are the best team in baseball and will finish as such, but the principle is what matters.

Joe West is Bill Fette's half brother.

BlueHen86 wrote:

DJH wrote:
Again, what does it matter why/how replay was used? The RIGHT CALL was made. You were the one talking about the game being "revisited". There is nothing to be revisited.

West is obviously a dumbfuck, but nobody got screwed in this game. I don't doubt that West lied about it, but to say that the game is in dispute is laughable.

From what I understand, they are not allowed to use replay for interference calls. They can use it for HR calls, and in the course of doing so they can call interference if they see it. (It's a dumb rule, just let them use replay for interference ).

The Phillies were claiming that the Umps used replay for interfence and then claimed afterwards they did it to see if it was a HR. I think the Phillies are right (my opinion) but it's hard to prove, unless Joe West admits it.

I really don't think I can be any more clear. WHO CARES WHY they used replay. Its obvious that the correct call was made.

Punish West. Protest that he should be able to work any more games this year. I don't care. But to even think about the possibility that this game should be replayed is just retarded.

DJH wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
From what I understand, they are not allowed to use replay for interference calls. They can use it for HR calls, and in the course of doing so they can call interference if they see it. (It's a dumb rule, just let them use replay for interference ).

The Phillies were claiming that the Umps used replay for interfence and then claimed afterwards they did it to see if it was a HR. I think the Phillies are right (my opinion) but it's hard to prove, unless Joe West admits it.

I really don't think I can be any more clear. WHO CARES WHY they used replay. Its obvious that the correct call was made.

Punish West. Protest that he should be able to work any more games this year. I don't care. But to even think about the possibility that this game should be replayed is just retarded.

The umps can't make up rules as they go along, there are limitations as to when they can use replay. That's the issue here. It doesn't matter if they got the call right or not.

Had the protest been upheld the game would have been replayed from the time of the call, it's rare but it has happened before. Everyone knew it was unlikely the Phils would win the protest, but unlikely is not the same as retarded. Sad that you insist on calling us names because we're Phillies fans.

I don't give a crap about Phillies fans and I have not called anyone names.

I fully understand how and why replay should have been used. The only problem I have is with the people who think the game should be replayed because of some technicality of the replay rules, when they fully know that the right call was made anyway.

DJH wrote:I really don't think I can be any more clear. WHO CARES WHY they used replay. Its obvious that the correct call was made.

I honestly don't know the game or play referred to here, but it absolutely matters if replay was used correctly or incorrectly. If the play in question was not reviewable, they shouldn't be reviewing it. Doesn't matter if it was the right or wrong call on the replay. I hope I never get DJH as a juror or judge.

I don't mean that it doesn't matter why replay is used ever. Obviously, replay should be used according to the rules.

But in this instance, it does not matter because it did not incorrectly effect the outcome of the game. In fact, the correct call was made.

DJH wrote:But in this instance, it does not matter because it did not incorrectly effect the outcome of the game. In fact, the correct call was made.

I will have to take your word. I don't know the play. It sounded like to me a fan interference was turned into a HR.

DJH wrote:I don't mean that it doesn't matter why replay is used ever. Obviously, replay should be used according to the rules.

But in this instance, it does not matter because it did not incorrectly effect the outcome of the game. In fact, the correct call was made.

The protest was incorrect use of replay. Had the Phillies won the protest, the end of the game could have been replayed.

The fact that the call was correct had nothing to do with it. If Joe West had used replay to check a close play at second base that is an incorrect use of replay, it doesn't matter if he got the call right. A team would likely win a protest in that case and you would likely see the end of the game replayed.

This case was different, because West could (and did) say that he used replay to see if it was a HR, which is a valid use of replay. West took advantage of a stupid loop hole in the MLB replay rule and called interferrence after seeing the replay.

89Hen wrote:

DJH wrote:But in this instance, it does not matter because it did not incorrectly effect the outcome of the game. In fact, the correct call was made.

I will have to take your word. I don't know the play. It sounded like to me a fan interference was turned into a HR.

A double was turned into an out. Pence doubled, the Marlins protested that the ball was interferred with. The umpires reviewed the play and called Pence out.

You can't use replay to check for interference, but you can use it to check HR's. If, while looking at replay for a HR the umpires see interference, they are allowed to call it. The problem is, nobody thought the ball was a HR. The Phillies protest was that the umpires used replay to check for interference, Joe West said he used it to check for a HR.

If anything, because of this MLB should change the replay rule to allow for review for fan interference starting next season...I agree with them protesting BECAUSE its not in the rule book, but its silly if they replay that game from the 6th inning...especially when we already have a double header in Philly on the 15th to make up for the two Hurricane Irene games.

Should the Phillies win the protest, IMO they should just forfeit the game and continue on. Its already a loss in the record books.

But the idea that something like this could happen makes me think that Cholly knew it was fan interference when it happened, that's why he didn't say anything when in all honesty he COULD of challenged as it did look like it could of been a HR...he thought he could get away with it because of the rulebook.

DSUrocks07 wrote:If anything, because of this MLB should change the replay rule to allow for review for fan interference starting next season...I agree with them protesting BECAUSE its not in the rule book, but its silly if they replay that game from the 6th inning...especially when we already have a double header in Philly on the 15th to make up for the two Hurricane Irene games.

Should the Phillies win the protest, IMO they should just forfeit the game and continue on. Its already a loss in the record books.

But the idea that something like this could happen makes me think that Cholly knew it was fan interference when it happened, that's why he didn't say anything when in all honesty he COULD of challenged as it did look like it could of been a HR...he thought he could get away with it because of the rulebook.

The protest was denied, so they won't be replaying the last few innings.

FWIW - the umpires don't have to be asked before going to replay, so it doesn't matter if Charlie requested it or not.

The problem in this case was that they didn't decide to go to replay until after McKeon started arguing about interference. If McKeon didn't argue, the umps would have let the double stand. The umpires definitely fucked this up, but the rule, as written, is stupid. I expect nothing less from MLB as long as Bud Selig is in charge.

It's unlikely that McKeon was arguing that the Phils deserved a HR and that the umps should check replay, but it would have been genius on his part had he done so.