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He's 5'7" tall...so short a club house attendent in Colorado refused him entry before the first game of the 2007 World Series...

He' was the AL ROY in 2007...and this year he adds the AL MVP hardware...

Dustin Pedoria, the Boston second baseman, easily won this years MVP award...














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I predict Phillies over Rays in 5 games in the WS.

Dustin Pedroia is a little faggit.

ODUalum11 wrote:Dustin Pedroia is a little faggit.

"That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire"

2 of his team-mates are ahead of Pedroia in the race IMO, Gonzalez and Ellsbury, with several other AL players also ahead of him including 2 Yankees, Cano and Granderson. Add Cabrera, Bautista and Michael Young to the mix, with a pitcher, Justin Verlander in the hunt.

Boston may have too many solid MVP candidates for their own good. Adrian Gonzalez was the leader for much of the season (Sorry Bautista fans, but playing for Toronto isnt helping nor is his second half). Curtis Granderson is certainly a contender now and Dustin Pedroia and David Ortiz are making loud cases. However as each day goes on, one player is becoming the clear favorite... even if only slightly. He should have won the 2007 World Series MVP after dominating in the Series after having only become a MLB regular that September.


My MVP Ballot as of right now (Subject to change over next 3.5 weeks)

1. Jacoby Ellsbury
2. Justin Verlander
3. Curtis Granderson
4. Adrian Gonzalez
5. Dustin Pedroia
6. Jose Bautista
7. David Ortiz

As of today, I'll go with the probable AL Batting Champ Miguel Cabrera

I'd vote Verlander.

Do the Tiggers make the playoffs wihout him? Any other single player in the AL have that impact?

danefan wrote:I'd vote Verlander.

Do the Tiggers make the playoffs wihout him? Any other single player in the AL have that impact?

Ellsbury is about the only guy consistently hitting in September for the Sox and has had some huge HRs in the past week... well the past three months.... He has been the best hitter in the AL in the second half.

IMO its either Ellsbury or Verlander. Who knows where those teams would be without their respective star players.

This is the AL MVP:

UNHWildCats wrote:

danefan wrote:I'd vote Verlander.

Do the Tiggers make the playoffs wihout him? Any other single player in the AL have that impact?

Ellsbury is about the only guy consistently hitting in September for the Sox and has had some huge HRs in the past week... well the past three months.... He has been the best hitter in the AL in the second half.

I'm picking Cabrera, because the Sox and Blue Jays may not be in the post season. Verlander probably gets more votes if he had won 25 games. At pitcher has to have an extra special year to win. I would vote for him, but I don't think he will win because he is a pitcher. Bautista is having the best offensive season, Ellsbury is having a great finish, while Cabrera has been consistant, leading the league in hitting and 2nd in OPS behind Bautista.

If Ron Guidry didn't win AL MVP in 1978, then I don't see Verlander getting it. Of course, he is a Tiger, rather than a Yankee, so that could help him in the voting. After all Roger Clemens won in 1986, over Don Mattingly, even though in 1978 many voters said a pitcher should not get MVP, since pitchers have the Cy Young award. In retrospect seems more like some reason to snub a Yankee again.

Curtis Granderson is the AL MVP. His overwhelming lead in runs scored makes up for any questions about his BA.

He'll be snubbed because he is a Yankee, however, so the field is wide open.

free7694 wrote:This is the AL MVP:

He plays for a team that isn't even going to make the playoffs. They weren't even in the consideration or even relevant in the playoff race. Maybe if they were contending for a playoff spot for a while I could see him being the MVP but I just can't see the MVP going to someone that is on a team that didn't even threaten other teams for the playoffs. I think, as much as I hate the Red Sox and would like to see JV win the MVP, Jacoby Ellsbury is worthy of the MVP. He's the only Red Sox who's been hitting consistently through this terrible slump the red sox are going through.

ODUalum11 wrote:

free7694 wrote:This is the AL MVP:

He plays for a team that isn't even going to make the playoffs. They weren't even in the consideration or even relevant in the playoff race. Maybe if they were contending for a playoff spot for a while I could see him being the MVP but I just can't see the MVP going to someone that is on a team that didn't even threaten other teams for the playoffs. I think, as much as I hate the Red Sox and would like to see JV win the MVP, Jacoby Ellsbury is worthy of the MVP. He's the only Red Sox who's been hitting consistently through this terrible slump the red sox are going through.

That is not going to stop Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw from winning the MVP and Cy Young awards.

dbackjon wrote:

ODUalum11 wrote:
He plays for a team that isn't even going to make the playoffs. They weren't even in the consideration or even relevant in the playoff race. Maybe if they were contending for a playoff spot for a while I could see him being the MVP but I just can't see the MVP going to someone that is on a team that didn't even threaten other teams for the playoffs. I think, as much as I hate the Red Sox and would like to see JV win the MVP, Jacoby Ellsbury is worthy of the MVP. He's the only Red Sox who's been hitting consistently through this terrible slump the red sox are going through.

That is not going to stop Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw from winning the MVP and Cy Young awards.

The Cy Young has never been grouped with a playoff caliber team like the MVP has.... And yes, Kemp is likely going to win the NL MVP, but it takes really really really good seasons for a guy to win the MVP on a non playoff caliber team, and Kemp has had one of those types of seasons.

Bautista certainly was on his way to such a season, but his falloff in the second half has opened the door for Ellsbury who has had a huge year for a playoff caliber team.

For a pitcher to win the MVP, they need to have an extraordinary season in a year where there are no clear MVP seasons for hitters... Verlander met half of that, unfortunately there are VERY deserving MVP type seasons by EVERYDAY players that trumps what Verlander has done.

JoltinJoe wrote:If Ron Guidry didn't win AL MVP in 1978, then I don't see Verlander getting it. Of course, he is a Tiger, rather than a Yankee, so that could help him in the voting. After all Roger Clemens won in 1986, over Don Mattingly, even though in 1978 many voters said a pitcher should not get MVP, since pitchers have the Cy Young award. In retrospect seems more like some reason to snub a Yankee again.

Curtis Granderson is the AL MVP. His overwhelming lead in runs scored makes up for any questions about his BA.

He'll be snubbed because he is a Yankee, however, so the field is wide open.

Not only does his average .260 range hurt but his strikeouts also hurt, 168 this year. Otherwise he would be a shoe-in. Cabrera has 47 doubles and 30 HR's while Granderson has 24 doubles and 41 Homers with 10 3-baggers.

Gil Dobie wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:If Ron Guidry didn't win AL MVP in 1978, then I don't see Verlander getting it. Of course, he is a Tiger, rather than a Yankee, so that could help him in the voting. After all Roger Clemens won in 1986, over Don Mattingly, even though in 1978 many voters said a pitcher should not get MVP, since pitchers have the Cy Young award. In retrospect seems more like some reason to snub a Yankee again.

Curtis Granderson is the AL MVP. His overwhelming lead in runs scored makes up for any questions about his BA.

He'll be snubbed because he is a Yankee, however, so the field is wide open.

Not only does his average .260 range hurt but his strikeouts also hurt, 168 this year. Otherwise he would be a shoe-in. Cabrera has 47 doubles and 30 HR's while Granderson has 24 doubles and 41 Homers with 10 3-baggers.

Fuckin' bandboxes.

The MVP race is down to Verlander and Ellsbury.... If people seriously think Cabrera is a serious candidate, than the award is Ellsbury's cause the consensus is he is Boston's MVP... the chatter around Pedroia and Gonzalez are gone... If Cabrera is a serious candidate is only hurt him and Verlander's chances.

JoltinJoe wrote:If Ron Guidry didn't win AL MVP in 1978, then I don't see Verlander getting it. Of course, he is a Tiger, rather than a Yankee, so that could help him in the voting. After all Roger Clemens won in 1986, over Don Mattingly, even though in 1978 many voters said a pitcher should not get MVP, since pitchers have the Cy Young award. In retrospect seems more like some reason to snub a Yankee again.

Curtis Granderson is the AL MVP. His overwhelming lead in runs scored makes up for any questions about his BA.

He'll be snubbed because he is a Yankee, however, so the field is wide open.

Cry me a river Joe. The poor downtrodden Yankees.

UNHWildCats wrote:The MVP race is down to Verlander and Ellsbury.... If people seriously think Cabrera is a serious candidate, than the award is Ellsbury's cause the consensus is he is Boston's MVP... the chatter around Pedroia and Gonzalez are gone... If Cabrera is a serious candidate is only hurt him and Verlander's chances.

Ellsbury 1 for 5 with the season on the line

Gil Dobie wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:If Ron Guidry didn't win AL MVP in 1978, then I don't see Verlander getting it. Of course, he is a Tiger, rather than a Yankee, so that could help him in the voting. After all Roger Clemens won in 1986, over Don Mattingly, even though in 1978 many voters said a pitcher should not get MVP, since pitchers have the Cy Young award. In retrospect seems more like some reason to snub a Yankee again.

Curtis Granderson is the AL MVP. His overwhelming lead in runs scored makes up for any questions about his BA.

He'll be snubbed because he is a Yankee, however, so the field is wide open.

Not only does his average .260 range hurt but his strikeouts also hurt, 168 this year. Otherwise he would be a shoe-in. Cabrera has 47 doubles and 30 HR's while Granderson has 24 doubles and 41 Homers with 10 3-baggers.

Let's look at total run production (this game is about scoring runs, right?), which results from adding runs scored and RBI, and then deducting HRs to account for instances when a player scores on a run he also drove in.

Granderson: 136 runs + 119 RBI - 41 HRs = 214 total run production

Cabrera: 111 runs + 105 RBI - 30 HR = 186 total run production.

Incidentally, the Yankees scored 867 runs; the Tigers scored 855 runs. It is fair to say that Granderson was, by far, the most productive offensive player in the majors this year. And he plays great defense too.

JoltinJoe wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Not only does his average .260 range hurt but his strikeouts also hurt, 168 this year. Otherwise he would be a shoe-in. Cabrera has 47 doubles and 30 HR's while Granderson has 24 doubles and 41 Homers with 10 3-baggers.

Let's look at total run production (this game is about scoring runs, right?), which results from adding runs scored and RBI, and then deducting HRs to account for instances when a player scores on a run he also drove in.

Granderson: 136 runs + 119 RBI - 41 HRs = 214 total run production

Cabrera: 111 runs + 105 RBI - 30 HR = 186 total run production.

Incidentally, the Yankees scored 867 runs; the Tigers scored 855 runs. It is fair to say that Granderson was, by far, the most productive offensive player in the majors this year. And he plays great defense too.

It's about value to your team, Cabrera didn't have the greatest hitters around him, he made Vitor Martinez and Demon Young better as pitchers had to pitch to them. Cabrera didn't have the great hitter in front of him to drive in the runs, nor the future hall of famers behind him to drive him in, Granderson with the already great Yankees hitters Jeter ahead, Tex, Cano and sometimes A-Rod to drive him in. Just think of all the runs Granderson cost the Yankees by striking out 168 times. That's 79 more times than Cabrera in 4 more plate appearances. Granderson had better stats in runs and rbi which depend on other players to drive you in or get on base.

Total Bases - Cabrera 332, Granderson 321
Average - Cabrera .344, Granderson .263
On Base Percentage - Cabrera .447, Granderson .364
Slugging - Cabrera .585, Granderson .553
OPS - Cabrera 1.032, Granderson .917

If the award is for the best player on a losing team, then Bautista.

Gil Dobie wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Let's look at total run production (this game is about scoring runs, right?), which results from adding runs scored and RBI, and then deducting HRs to account for instances when a player scores on a run he also drove in.

Granderson: 136 runs + 119 RBI - 41 HRs = 214 total run production

Cabrera: 111 runs + 105 RBI - 30 HR = 186 total run production.

Incidentally, the Yankees scored 867 runs; the Tigers scored 855 runs. It is fair to say that Granderson was, by far, the most productive offensive player in the majors this year. And he plays great defense too.

It's about value to your team, Cabrera didn't have the greatest hitters around him, he made Vitor Martinez and Demon Young better as pitchers had to pitch to them. Cabrera didn't have the great hitter in front of him to drive in the runs, nor the future hall of famers behind him to drive him in, Granderson with the already great Yankees hitters Jeter ahead, Tex, Cano and sometimes A-Rod to drive him in. Just think of all the runs Granderson cost the Yankees by striking out 168 times. That's 79 more times than Cabrera in 4 more plate appearances. Granderson had better stats in runs and rbi which depend on other players to drive you in or get on base.

Total Bases - Cabrera 332, Granderson 321
Average - Cabrera .344, Granderson .263
On Base Percentage - Cabrera .447, Granderson .364
Slugging - Cabrera .585, Granderson .553
OPS - Cabrera 1.032, Granderson .917

If the award is for the best player on a losing team, then Bautista.

You can over-analyze it all you want and give someone else the hardware. I'll take Granderson and the 214 total runs. Since he had a hand in nearly 25% of the Yankees' total runs (and the Yanks finished second in MLB in total runs), perhaps he was the guy making others around him more productive?

Whatever. The game is about scoring runs. I'll take the 214 total runs. You can find some reason to call someone else the MVP for all I care.

JoltinJoe wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
It's about value to your team, Cabrera didn't have the greatest hitters around him, he made Vitor Martinez and Demon Young better as pitchers had to pitch to them. Cabrera didn't have the great hitter in front of him to drive in the runs, nor the future hall of famers behind him to drive him in, Granderson with the already great Yankees hitters Jeter ahead, Tex, Cano and sometimes A-Rod to drive him in. Just think of all the runs Granderson cost the Yankees by striking out 168 times. That's 79 more times than Cabrera in 4 more plate appearances. Granderson had better stats in runs and rbi which depend on other players to drive you in or get on base.

Total Bases - Cabrera 332, Granderson 321
Average - Cabrera .344, Granderson .263
On Base Percentage - Cabrera .447, Granderson .364
Slugging - Cabrera .585, Granderson .553
OPS - Cabrera 1.032, Granderson .917

If the award is for the best player on a losing team, then Bautista.

You can over-analyze it all you want and give someone else the hardware. I'll take Granderson and the 214 total runs. Since he had a hand in nearly 25% of the Yankees' total runs (and the Yanks finished second in MLB in total runs), perhaps he was the guy making others around him more productive?

Whatever. The game is about scoring runs. I'll take the 214 total runs. You can find some reason to call someone else the MVP for all I care.

They're both deserving candidates, and neither is likely to win.