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What? 6 aging veterans with slow bats in the lineup at once wasn't enough?

AZGrizFan wrote:

What? 6 aging veterans with slow bats in the lineup at once wasn't enough?

The guy just came off a .309 season, 29 HRs, 96 RBI, OBP of .398, and has a swing which is perfect for the right-field porch at Yankee Stadium. Yes, I'll take him as the DH. He'll hit 40 HRs next year as a Yankee.

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:

What? 6 aging veterans with slow bats in the lineup at once wasn't enough?

The guy just came off a .309 season, 29 HRs, 96 RBI, OBP of .398, and has a swing which is perfect for the right-field porch at Yankee Stadium. Yes, I'll take him as the DH. He'll hit 40 HRs next year as a Yankee.

Oh, he's an upgrade over Posada there's no doubt....but when will the Yankees learn than collecting overpaid, underperforming over the hill veterans just isn't a recipe for success? The Rangers (ye of the $91 million in salary) are about to make their SECOND STRAIGHT trip to the World Series from the American League while the Yankmees ($196 million) and Red Sox ($160 million), who fight over the above described uberveterans every year in the off season, sit home AGAIN.

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
The guy just came off a .309 season, 29 HRs, 96 RBI, OBP of .398, and has a swing which is perfect for the right-field porch at Yankee Stadium. Yes, I'll take him as the DH. He'll hit 40 HRs next year as a Yankee.

Oh, he's an upgrade over Posada there's no doubt....but when will the Yankees learn than collecting overpaid, underperforming over the hill veterans just isn't a recipe for success? The Rangers (ye of the $91 million in salary) are about to make their SECOND STRAIGHT trip to the World Series from the American League while the Yankmees ($196 million) and Red Sox ($160 million), who fight over the above described uberveterans every year in the off season, sit home AGAIN.

The Yankees had the best record in the AL and lost a playoff series that could have gone either way. The MLB baseball playoffs are a tournament any more. You get in, you basically have a 1-in-8 chance to win it all.

You shouldn't mock the Yankees' business model. They play in front of the largest crowds in baseball. They make money hand over fist and put money in the pocket of other teams as well. They've made the MLB playoffs in 16 of the last 17 years and have won five world series during that period (or once for every 3.4 post-season appearances, far better than than the expected 1-in-8).

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Oh, he's an upgrade over Posada there's no doubt....but when will the Yankees learn than collecting overpaid, underperforming over the hill veterans just isn't a recipe for success? The Rangers (ye of the $91 million in salary) are about to make their SECOND STRAIGHT trip to the World Series from the American League while the Yankmees ($196 million) and Red Sox ($160 million), who fight over the above described uberveterans every year in the off season, sit home AGAIN.

The Yankees had the best record in the AL and lost a playoff series that could have gone either way. The MLB baseball playoffs are a tournament any more. You get in, you basically have a 1-in-8 chance to win it all.

You shouldn't mock the Yankees' business model. They play in front of the largest crowds in baseball. They make money hand over fist and put money in the pocket of other teams as well. They've made the MLB playoffs in 16 of the last 17 years and have won five world series during that period (or once for every 3.4 post-season appearances, far better than than the expected 1-in-8).

How are they doing since 2001? I'll tell you: 9 playoff appearances, 1WS. They've become the Atlanta Braves of the American League, only they spend obscene amounts of money to do it...more than any other team and more than most teams COMBINED in a given year, and they play in the largest market in the world (hence the largest crowds)...

Honestly, Joe...given the inherent advantages they have, if I were a fan of the Yankees I'd be pissed as HELL. They have underperformed horribly over the past 10 years.

In fact, about the only reason there's not a line of people looking for Cashman's head is because he's got the Mets in town to thankfully deflect attention from the failures of the Yankee organization.

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
The Yankees had the best record in the AL and lost a playoff series that could have gone either way. The MLB baseball playoffs are a tournament any more. You get in, you basically have a 1-in-8 chance to win it all.

You shouldn't mock the Yankees' business model. They play in front of the largest crowds in baseball. They make money hand over fist and put money in the pocket of other teams as well. They've made the MLB playoffs in 16 of the last 17 years and have won five world series during that period (or once for every 3.4 post-season appearances, far better than than the expected 1-in-8).

How are they doing since 2001? I'll tell you: 9 playoff appearances, 1WS. They've become the Atlanta Braves of the American League, only they spend obscene amounts of money to do it...more than any other team and more than most teams COMBINED in a given year, and they play in the largest market in the world (hence the largest crowds)...

Honestly, Joe...given the inherent advantages they have, if I were a fan of the Yankees I'd be pissed as HELL. They have underperformed horribly over the past 10 years.

In fact, about the only reason there's not a line of people looking for Cashman's head is because he's got the Mets in town to thankfully deflect attention from the failures of the Yankee organization.

Yes, one time in 9 years is a drought by Yankee standards. And your team won it last, when?

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
How are they doing since 2001? I'll tell you: 9 playoff appearances, 1WS. They've become the Atlanta Braves of the American League, only they spend obscene amounts of money to do it...more than any other team and more than most teams COMBINED in a given year, and they play in the largest market in the world (hence the largest crowds)...

Honestly, Joe...given the inherent advantages they have, if I were a fan of the Yankees I'd be pissed as HELL. They have underperformed horribly over the past 10 years.

In fact, about the only reason there's not a line of people looking for Cashman's head is because he's got the Mets in town to thankfully deflect attention from the failures of the Yankee organization.

Yes, one time in 9 years is a drought by Yankee standards. And your team won it last, when?

Guess what? My team won EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBER of playoff games the Yankees did this year...at 1/4 the price.

Hey, Griz, look, you can put together a quality team but things can still happen on the field.

The subject here is whether to sign David Ortiz.

There are 30 MLB teams. It's hard, even for the Yankees, to get to and win the World Series, no matter who is on the roster. There are no sure things in this regard.

But signing David Ortiz is sure thing to make Sox fans go apoplectic.

So let's go for the sure thing.

JoltinJoe wrote:Hey, Griz, look, you can put together a quality team but things can still happen on the field.

The subject here is whether to sign David Ortiz.

There are 30 MLB teams. It's hard, even for the Yankees, to get to and win the World Series, no matter who is on the roster. There are no sure things in this regard.

But signing David Ortiz is sure thing to make Sox fans go apoplectic.

So let's go for the sure thing.

Your team is over the hill. Signing more over the hill players at over-inflated prices won't help.

Burnett - 34 ($16mm )
Garcia - 35
A-Fraud - 36
Jeter - 37
Colon - 38
Posada - 40
Rivera - 41

Average age of 30.

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:Hey, Griz, look, you can put together a quality team but things can still happen on the field.

The subject here is whether to sign David Ortiz.

There are 30 MLB teams. It's hard, even for the Yankees, to get to and win the World Series, no matter who is on the roster. There are no sure things in this regard.

But signing David Ortiz is sure thing to make Sox fans go apoplectic.

So let's go for the sure thing.

Your team is over the hill. Signing more over the hill players at over-inflated prices won't help.

Burnett - 34 ($16mm )
Garcia - 35
A-Fraud - 36
Jeter - 37
Colon - 38
Posada - 40
Rivera - 41

Average age of 30.

Did you ace the Mensa test too???


I get about 37.28...But then again, I didn't take the Mensa test.

grizzaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Your team is over the hill. Signing more over the hill players at over-inflated prices won't help.

Burnett - 34 ($16mm )
Garcia - 35
A-Fraud - 36
Jeter - 37
Colon - 38
Posada - 40
Rivera - 41

Average age of 30.

Did you ace the Mensa test too???


I get about 37.28...But then again, I didn't take the Mensa test.

Let me clarify. Average age of THEIR ENTIRE ROSTER is 30.

AZGrizFan wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Did you ace the Mensa test too???


I get about 37.28...But then again, I didn't take the Mensa test.

Let me clarify. Average age of THEIR ENTIRE ROSTER is 30.

ahhhhh. Thought for a minute there we had two of the brightest minds on the planet right here on CS. Guess we will have to stick to just the one.

grizzaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Let me clarify. Average age of THEIR ENTIRE ROSTER is 30.

ahhhhh. Thought for a minute there we had two of the brightest minds on the planet right here on CS. Guess we will have to stick to just the one.

Nobody can compete with the OB-wand.

As a Twins fan...I'd take him back. We took a chance on Thome and he was a great addition....Papi could be good as well.

clenz wrote:As a Twins fan...I'd take him back. We took a chance on Thome and he was a great addition....Papi could be good as well.

It would be a nice way for him to wind down his career to return back where it started. I'm not sure the Sox are going to try re-signing him, if they don't I would love to see him return to the Twins.

Please, go to the Yankees. Please. Bring Manny with you, too.

clenz wrote:As a Twins fan...I'd take him back. We took a chance on Thome and he was a great addition....Papi could be good as well.

The Twins need a lot more help than Big Papi...
Pitching has to be #1 priority for them. The offense would've been fine if we didn't play our ENTIRE AAA roster for the second half of the season. Injuries absolutely decimated this team. Mauer and Morneau were nothing close to what they have played like in the past. Delmon Young had 2 HRs with the Twins all season & has more than doubled that already in just the playoffs with the Tigers. Just a season to forget.

I pray to god he doesn't go to the Yankees because I'm a huge Papi fan, and would really hate to cheer against him.

I'm sorry JJ but I absolutely DO NOT want to see David Ortiz in a yankee uniform. In his prime? ABSOLUTELY but on the decline of his career?!

ODUalum11 wrote:I'm sorry JJ but I absolutely DO NOT want to see David Ortiz in a yankee uniform. In his prime? ABSOLUTELY but on the decline of his career?!

Not that I want to defend the Yankees or anything, but weirder things have happened. There was once a quarterback who washed out of New England and San Francisco who went on to win TWO Super Bowls after the so-called "experts" said he was washed up. The same thing might happen to Ortiz.

That said, if Ortiz DOES have a renaissance, I hope it's for ANYBODY other than NYY or NYM.

SuperHornet wrote:

ODUalum11 wrote:I'm sorry JJ but I absolutely DO NOT want to see David Ortiz in a yankee uniform. In his prime? ABSOLUTELY but on the decline of his career?!

Not that I want to defend the Yankees or anything, but weirder things have happened. There was once a quarterback who washed out of New England and San Francisco who went on to win TWO Super Bowls after the so-called "experts" said he was washed up. The same thing might happen to Ortiz.

That said, if Ortiz DOES have a renaissance, I hope it's for ANYBODY other than NYY or NYM.

I'd rather see the Yanks spend the time and energy trying to get someone like Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder, not someone on the decline of his career....gotta remember the Yanks are already old to begin with.

Their main focus should be the starting rotation. I think the prized free agent the yanks should go out and sign this year is CJ Wilson.

ODUalum11 wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:
Not that I want to defend the Yankees or anything, but weirder things have happened. There was once a quarterback who washed out of New England and San Francisco who went on to win TWO Super Bowls after the so-called "experts" said he was washed up. The same thing might happen to Ortiz.

That said, if Ortiz DOES have a renaissance, I hope it's for ANYBODY other than NYY or NYM.

I'd rather see the Yanks spend the time and energy trying to get someone like Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder, not someone on the decline of his career....gotta remember the Yanks are already old to begin with.

Their main focus should be the starting rotation. I think the prized free agent the yanks should go out and sign this year is CJ Wilson.

You think Texiera wants to sit? Or, conversely, that either of these guys wants to sit? I don't....

ODUalum11 wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:
Not that I want to defend the Yankees or anything, but weirder things have happened. There was once a quarterback who washed out of New England and San Francisco who went on to win TWO Super Bowls after the so-called "experts" said he was washed up. The same thing might happen to Ortiz.

That said, if Ortiz DOES have a renaissance, I hope it's for ANYBODY other than NYY or NYM.

I'd rather see the Yanks spend the time and energy trying to get someone like Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder, not someone on the decline of his career....gotta remember the Yanks are already old to begin with.

Their main focus should be the starting rotation. I think the prized free agent the yanks should go out and sign this year is CJ Wilson.

I think the main Yankee focus will be on Yu Darvish, assuming he does get posted as expected.

AZGrizFan wrote:

ODUalum11 wrote:
I'd rather see the Yanks spend the time and energy trying to get someone like Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder, not someone on the decline of his career....gotta remember the Yanks are already old to begin with.

Their main focus should be the starting rotation. I think the prized free agent the yanks should go out and sign this year is CJ Wilson.

You think Texiera wants to sit? Or, conversely, that either of these guys wants to sit? I don't....

If the Yanks already didn't have a pretty good first basemen, YES. I realize it's not likely the Yanks will sign either of them I was just trying to make a point of me personally not wanting to see the Yanks sign Ortiz.

The main focus as it was last offseason for the yankees needs to be starting pitching...and possibly a new manager.

Yanks top two priorities need to be....

1. Sign CC to a contract extension, or else he will probably walk away from the Yanks and sign with Texas.
2. Sign CJ Wilson

Position by Position breakdown...

1st base...all set with Tex.
2nd base...I believe Cano is a FA but I think the Yanks will do everything in their power to resign him.
Shortstop...Jeter just signed a contract extension last offseason.
3rd base....A-Rod
Catcher...Posada is a FA, Yanks might let him walk which will disappoint me but I think they are all set with Jesus Montero and Russell Martin...depending on if the Yanks resign Martin...if not then Montero could become the everyday catcher with Cervelli backing him up.
DH...could be a by committee type situation.
LF...Gardner
CF...Granderson
RF...Swisher

So in the end, priorities #3 and #4 might be trying to find an everyday DH and filling the bench.

I think a rotation of CC Sabathia, CJ Wilson, Ivan Nova, Phil Hughes, AJ Burnett could be very solid.