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If you think Jeter isn't on something, you need to think a lot longer......

Besides a ton of trim....what else do you think he's on?

Jeter's not on anything.

He's off Minka Kelly.

You can search this board. I posted previously Jeter would get back to 2009 levels now that he was done with high-maintenance Minka.

From 9/3/2011:

JoltinJoe wrote: BTW, here's another prediction you can take to the bank. With high-maintenace Minka Kelly out of his life, Derek Jeter will return to being a .300 hitter for the next couple seasons.

The worst part of Jeter's career (2010, first half of 2011) coincides with the time he dated Minka Kelly.

Jeter is the most selfish player in MLB. Him doing PEDs would surprise me in the least.

Nothing would surpise me as far as baseball and drug use, but why are we to assume Jeter us using? Yes he is old and putting up good numbers, but the guy also takes good care of himself.

andy7171 wrote:Ripkin is the most selfish player in MLB. Him doing PEDs would surprise me in the least.

Yup, padding his legacy when the team could have benefited from him taking some rest now and then.

JoltinJoe wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Ripkin is the most selfish player in MLB. Him doing PEDs would surprise me in the least.

Yup, padding his legacy when the team could have benefited from him taking some rest now and then.

D1B is right, you're a one trick pony!

A player that would not surprise me is Albert Pujols

JoltinJoe wrote:Jeter's not on anything.

He's off Minka Kelly.

You can search this board. I posted previously Jeter would get back to 2009 levels now that he was done with high-maintenance Minka.

From 9/3/2011:

JoltinJoe wrote: BTW, here's another prediction you can take to the bank. With high-maintenace Minka Kelly out of his life, Derek Jeter will return to being a .300 hitter for the next couple seasons.

The worst part of Jeter's career (2010, first half of 2011) coincides with the time he dated Minka Kelly.

He's got his legs back!

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:Jeter's not on anything.

He's off Minka Kelly.

You can search this board. I posted previously Jeter would get back to 2009 levels now that he was done with high-maintenance Minka.

From 9/3/2011:



The worst part of Jeter's career (2010, first half of 2011) coincides with the time he dated Minka Kelly.

He's got his legs back!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CObJZf2YzDw[/youtube]

BTW

AZGrizFan wrote: I have a prediction of my own. High-maintenance Minka Kelly will be replaced by some other big name, high-maintenance broad and Jeter will continue getting progressively worse as he gets older. Accept it...get used to it. This isn't your daddy's Derek Jeter.

JoltinJoe wrote:[

AZGrizFan wrote: I have a prediction of my own. High-maintenance Minka Kelly will be replaced by some other big name, high-maintenance broad and Jeter will continue getting progressively worse as he gets older. Accept it...get used to it. This isn't your daddy's Derek Jeter.

And, aside from his batting average and a few more HR's I'm absolutely right. He doesn't run (8 SB, four year declining trend)) any more, he doesn't SCORE runs (78, down from 111 in '10) and he doesn't drive in runs any more (only 43 this year, continuing a 6 consecutive year downward trend)....and let's not get too excited. His new and improved self has resulted in exactly SEVEN more hits than last year...

He's had a nice month (and a REALLY nice week), I'll give him that, but let's not forget where he was on July 24th: .307 ave, 7 HR, 26 RBI, .409 SLG, .353 OBP.

Looks a lot like a Joe Mauer line.

Mauer has just as many doubles, and more triples, 20 more RBI, only 1 less stolen base, double the number of walks, in 100 less AB than Jeter.

clenz wrote:Mauer has just as many doubles, and more triples, 20 more RBI, only 1 less stolen base, double the number of walks, in 100 less AB than Jeter.

And he's almost to double digits in HR's! Yay!

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:[

And, aside from his batting average and a few more HR's I'm absolutely right. He doesn't run (8 SB, four year declining trend)) any more, he doesn't SCORE runs (78, down from 111 in '10) and he doesn't drive in runs any more (only 43 this year, continuing a 6 consecutive year downward trend)....and let's not get too excited. His new and improved self has resulted in exactly SEVEN more hits than last year...

He's had a nice month (and a REALLY nice week), I'll give him that, but let's not forget where he was on July 24th: .307 ave, 7 HR, 26 RBI, .409 SLG, .353 OBP.

Looks a lot like a Joe Mauer line.

I'll agree. As someone who sees him every day, I can see clearly certain of Jeter's "baseball" skills are eroding. I'll add he walks on fewer occasions (as pitchers come right at him any more) and he doesn't get the extra base with the frequency he used too. He remains sure-handed in the field, but his range on balls in the outfield isn't what it used to be. (All of this cuts against any suggestion that he's juicing, something Bayless would notice if he watched him everyday).

But he is perhaps better than ever in his plate mechanics, and can still drive almost any strike on a line to right field. In my estimation, he has become even smarter at the plate as he has gotten older. He's going to finish the season with nearly 3,300 hits, with 4,000 in sight in less than four seasons. So long as he continues to execute at the plate like an accomplished veteran, he has a real shot at reaching 4,000 hits by the time he's 41/42. And that chase might just keep him in the game even as other baseball skills continue to slowly erode.

I don't think people who do not see him every day appreciate just what a technically accomplished hitter Jeter is. He is really a marvel at the plate. Honestly, I think it's time for all baseball fans to acknowledge what a special player Jeter has been these many years. He's received a lot of attention this week, as he is now fewer than 1,000 hits away from Pete Rose's all-time hits record. He deserved better than what Bayless did to him.

JoltinJoe wrote:But he is perhaps better than ever in his plate mechanics, and can still drive almost any strike on a line to right field. In my estimation, he has become even smarter at the plate as he has gotten older. He's going to finish the season with nearly 3,300 hits, with 4,000 in sight in less than four seasons. So long as he continues to execute at the plate like an accomplished veteran, he has a real shot at reaching 4,000 hits by the time he's 41/42. And that chase might just keep him in the game even as other baseball skills continue to slowly erode.

He's received a lot of attention this week, as he is now fewer than 1,000 hits away from Pete Rose's all-time hits record. He deserved better than what Bayless did to him.

Which is a good thing in that bandbox known as Yankee Stadium.

And I think your analysis is exactly correct. In fact, he's somewhat BECOMING what Pete Rose became in his quest to beat Ty Cobb's record. In his last 6 years Rose hit exactly 5 HR's, but had 699 of his hits. I don't think Jeter will become THAT much of a slap hitter (given the stadium he plays in compared to Riverfront in the '80's) but he's definitely not the hitter he was 5 years ago. I don't see Jeter playing until he's 44, but I don't see him only getting 45-50 hits in a season like Rose did at the end of his career either. I think he gets to 4,000 but I don't think he's gonna pass Rose.

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:But he is perhaps better than ever in his plate mechanics, and can still drive almost any strike on a line to right field. In my estimation, he has become even smarter at the plate as he has gotten older. He's going to finish the season with nearly 3,300 hits, with 4,000 in sight in less than four seasons. So long as he continues to execute at the plate like an accomplished veteran, he has a real shot at reaching 4,000 hits by the time he's 41/42. And that chase might just keep him in the game even as other baseball skills continue to slowly erode.

He's received a lot of attention this week, as he is now fewer than 1,000 hits away from Pete Rose's all-time hits record. He deserved better than what Bayless did to him.

Which is a good thing in that bandbox known as Yankee Stadium.

And I think your analysis is exactly correct. In fact, he's somewhat BECOMING what Pete Rose became in his quest to beat Ty Cobb's record. In his last 6 years Rose hit exactly 5 HR's, but had 699 of his hits. I don't think Jeter will become THAT much of a slap hitter (given the stadium he plays in compared to Riverfront in the '80's) but he's definitely not the hitter he was 5 years ago. I don't see Jeter playing until he's 44, but I don't see him only getting 45-50 hits in a season like Rose did at the end of his career either. I think he gets to 4,000 but I don't think he's gonna pass Rose.

I think you're right. My guess is that Jeter is not going to limp along as a part-time .250 hitter simply to get to 4,000 hits.

I know Rose eventually overtook Cobb, but it was painful sight watching that chase. I honestly think towards the end Rose was one of the least productive players in baseball. I don't think Jeter could do that.

So Jeter is going to take it as it comes. If he gets to 4,000, he will then think about whether he can make a run at Rose.

Jeter...one of the most gifted offensive talents the game has ever seen. But on the flip side, also one of the worst defenders the game has ever seen.

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:But he is perhaps better than ever in his plate mechanics, and can still drive almost any strike on a line to right field. In my estimation, he has become even smarter at the plate as he has gotten older. He's going to finish the season with nearly 3,300 hits, with 4,000 in sight in less than four seasons. So long as he continues to execute at the plate like an accomplished veteran, he has a real shot at reaching 4,000 hits by the time he's 41/42. And that chase might just keep him in the game even as other baseball skills continue to slowly erode.

He's received a lot of attention this week, as he is now fewer than 1,000 hits away from Pete Rose's all-time hits record. He deserved better than what Bayless did to him.

Which is a good thing in that bandbox known as Yankee Stadium.

And I think your analysis is exactly correct. In fact, he's somewhat BECOMING what Pete Rose became in his quest to beat Ty Cobb's record. In his last 6 years Rose hit exactly 5 HR's, but had 699 of his hits. I don't think Jeter will become THAT much of a slap hitter (given the stadium he plays in compared to Riverfront in the '80's) but he's definitely not the hitter he was 5 years ago. I don't see Jeter playing until he's 44, but I don't see him only getting 45-50 hits in a season like Rose did at the end of his career either. I think he gets to 4,000 but I don't think he's gonna pass Rose.

Um, how does the Yankee Stadium is a bandbox line work in regards to Jeter? If you're going slam him for not being a HR hitter then make fun of his stadium as a bandbox...well, that doesn't make sense. Jeter still goes to the opposite field, it's just that most of those hits are singles or the occasional line drive double. His road splits are better than his home splits. 8 road HRs and a .354 average vs. 5 HR and .291 at home.

rkwittem wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Which is a good thing in that bandbox known as Yankee Stadium.

And I think your analysis is exactly correct. In fact, he's somewhat BECOMING what Pete Rose became in his quest to beat Ty Cobb's record. In his last 6 years Rose hit exactly 5 HR's, but had 699 of his hits. I don't think Jeter will become THAT much of a slap hitter (given the stadium he plays in compared to Riverfront in the '80's) but he's definitely not the hitter he was 5 years ago. I don't see Jeter playing until he's 44, but I don't see him only getting 45-50 hits in a season like Rose did at the end of his career either. I think he gets to 4,000 but I don't think he's gonna pass Rose.

Um, how does the Yankee Stadium is a bandbox line work in regards to Jeter? If you're going slam him for not being a HR hitter then make fun of his stadium as a bandbox...well, that doesn't make sense. Jeter still goes to the opposite field, it's just that most of those hits are singles or the occasional line drive double. His road splits are better than his home splits. 8 road HRs and a .354 average vs. 5 HR and .291 at home.

The fact he hits worse there doesn't mean it's not a bandbox. 310 to RF, 311 to LF foul poles? Most stadiums are 20' more than that. They also pulled the fences in in the new stadium in the alleys...

AZGrizFan wrote:

rkwittem wrote: Um, how does the Yankee Stadium is a bandbox line work in regards to Jeter? If you're going slam him for not being a HR hitter then make fun of his stadium as a bandbox...well, that doesn't make sense. Jeter still goes to the opposite field, it's just that most of those hits are singles or the occasional line drive double. His road splits are better than his home splits. 8 road HRs and a .354 average vs. 5 HR and .291 at home.

The fact he hits worse there doesn't mean it's not a bandbox. 310 to RF, 311 to LF foul poles? Most stadiums are 20' more than that. They also pulled the fences in in the new stadium in the alleys...

It cannot be used as evidence for Jeter's resurgence since the areas it improves are not Jeter's strong points.