Who is the AL MVP?

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:14 pm

Mike Trout of the Angels or Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers?

I'm all for the new age of baseball, and love all of the things that Trout can do, but I cannot vote against a guy that achieves the triple crown.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:15 pm

DJH wrote:Mike Trout of the Angels or Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers?

I'm all for the new age of baseball, and love all of the things that Trout can do, but I cannot vote against a guy that achieves the triple crown.

Agreed 100%.

I voted for Mauer.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:47 pm

Meh. I'd rather watch Steve Trout....

Brock Landers · Post by **Brock Landers** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:22 pm

Trout

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:43 pm

Cabrera, and the vote should be unanimous.

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:44 pm

Brock Landers wrote:Trout

MSUDuo · Post by **MSUDuo** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:48 am

Miggy

Post by **AshevilleApp** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:14 am

Either one's a good choice. Either way, if Cabrera gets the Triple Crown I'd say he had a better season. There's an MVP every year. It's been 45 years since there was a Triple Crown winner.

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:50 am

1st Triple Crown Winner in my lifetime answers the question.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:28 am

Triple Crown, Team is in the playoffs, Switching position on defense to allow Prince Fielder to play first base. Miggy 100%

Trout has a great season, but he slowed down at the end of the season. Average went from ten plus points ahead of Miggy a month ago to 7 points below today, during the pennant race. .341 pre-all star game .309 post-all star game.

Brock Landers · Post by **Brock Landers** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:50 am

Grizalltheway wrote:
Brock Landers wrote:Trout

I don't give a shit about the romanticized triple crown, Trout was the most valuable player

...and I'm saying this as an A's fan

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:01 am

Brock Landers wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I don't give a shit about the romanticized triple crown, Trout was the most valuable player

...and I'm saying this as an A's fan

ROY, sure. But Cabrera gets people across the plate, in staggering fashion. Isn't that the ultimate goal of a hitter?

Brock Landers · Post by **Brock Landers** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:43 am

Well Trout is the lead-off hitter, so he's not going to get RBIs, which are also super dependent on how competent the guys in front of you are in the first place

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Brock Landers · Post by **Brock Landers** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:48 am

And let's not even get into defense

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:03 am

Brock Landers wrote:And let's not even get into defense

Is he really that bad? Keep in mind he switched positions to accommodate that obese Prince guy.

Post by **AshevilleApp** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:28 am

Grizalltheway wrote:
Brock Landers wrote:And let's not even get into defense
Is he really that bad? Keep in mind he switched positions to accommodate that obese Prince guy.

He's about middle of the pack defensively. Not bad for having played first base the last several years.

And that obese Prince guy had an infield double in a game last week.

Fact · Post by **Fact** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:59 am

If Trout loses, I might destroy something. He is having a Willie Mays in his prime type of season.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:44 pm

Fact wrote:If Trout loses, I might destroy something. He is having a Willie Mays in his prime type of season.

Trout should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Willie Mays when it comes to baseball skills.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:46 pm

Brock Landers wrote:And let's not even get into defense

Trout tailed of at the end of the year and his team missed the playoffs, Cabrera continued to be strong and his team is in the playoffs.

Brock Landers · Post by **Brock Landers** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:48 pm

Because their division sucks. Angels won more games, while doing it against against harder competition

rkwittem · Post by **rkwittem** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:08 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:Triple Crown, Team is in the playoffs, Switching position on defense to allow Prince Fielder to play first base. Miggy 100%

Trout has a great season, but he slowed down at the end of the season. Average went from ten plus points ahead of Miggy a month ago to 7 points below today, during the pennant race. .341 pre-all star game .309 post-all star game.

Sorry, but "team in the playoffs" is a team accomplishment, not an individual one. It might matter to the media and some fans, but no me.

I'm still for Trout. He's a complete player and he did this as a rookie.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:25 pm

Brock Landers wrote:Because their division sucks. Angels won more games, while doing it against against harder competition

What about Trout tailing off in the second half of the season? Pitchers are strarting to figure him out, and his average is 32 points lower since the All Star break. If the award was for the first half accomplishments, then, yes he's the MVP. Needs to perform at the high level the entire season and in a pennant race. Cabrera may have been in a division with teams with lower number of wins, but he performed under more pressure.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:33 pm

rkwittem wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Triple Crown, Team is in the playoffs, Switching position on defense to allow Prince Fielder to play first base. Miggy 100%

Trout has a great season, but he slowed down at the end of the season. Average went from ten plus points ahead of Miggy a month ago to 7 points below today, during the pennant race. .341 pre-all star game .309 post-all star game.
Sorry, but "team in the playoffs" is a team accomplishment, not an individual one. It might matter to the media and some fans, but no me.

I'm still for Trout. He's a complete player and he did this as a rookie.

Good point, it is a team game. Cabrera is more valuable to his team. Without Trout, Angels with Pujols still finish 3rd and someone else scores 100 runs leading off. Without Cabrera, Detroit battles KC and Cleveland for 3rd.

Fact · Post by **Fact** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:47 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
Fact wrote:If Trout loses, I might destroy something. He is having a Willie Mays in his prime type of season.
Trout should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Willie Mays when it comes to baseball skills.

I normally wouldn't, but Trout's season is on par with Mays' very best seasons.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:37 pm

Fact wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Trout should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Willie Mays when it comes to baseball skills.
I normally wouldn't, but Trout's season is on par with Mays' very best seasons.

Games played Cabrera 160, Trout 138
Hits Cabrera 205, Trout 180
Runs Trout 129, Cabrera 109
2B Cabrera 40, Trout 26
3b Trout 8, Cabrera 0
HR Cabrera 44, Trout 30
RBI Cabrera 139, Trout 83
AVG Cabrera .331, Trout .324
SB Trout 49, Cabrera 4
OBP Trout .397, Cabrera .394
Total Bases Cabrera 377, Trout 324

Willie Mays had numbers that looked like the left column during his best years.

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