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Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:31 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
The BBWA - that bastion of sanctimonious assclownery that it is has kept EVERYONE out of the Hall of Fame this year. Ridiculous.
The ballot:
Less than 5%, will not be on next year's ballot
Craig Biggio 388 68.2% 1st Yr
Jack Morris 385 67.7% 66.7%
Jeff Bagwell 339 59.6% 56.0%
Mike Piazza 329 57.8% 1st Yr
Tim Raines 297 52.2% 48.7%
Lee Smith 272 47.8% 50.6%
Curt Schilling 221 38.8% 1st Yr
Roger Clemens 214 37.6% 1st Yr
Barry Bonds 206 36.2% 1st Yr
Edgar Martinez 204 35.9% 36.5%
Alan Trammell 191 33.6% 36.8%
Larry Walker 123 21.6% 22.9%
Fred McGriff 118 20.7% 23.9%
Dale Murphy** 106 18.6% 14.5%
Mark McGwire 96 16.9% 19.5%
Don Mattingly 75 13.2% 17.8%
Sammy Sosa 71 12.5% 1st Yr
Rafael Palmeiro 50 8.8% 12.6%
Bernie Williams 19 3.3% 9.6%
Kenny Lofton 18 3.2% 1st Yr
Sandy Alomar 16 2.8% 1st Yr
Julio Franco 6 1.1% 1st Yr
David Wells 5 0.9% 1st Yr
Steve Finley 4 0.7% 1st Yr
Shawn Green 2 0.4% 1st Yr
Aaron Sele 1 0.2% 1st Yr
Reggie Sanders 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Jeff Cirillo 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Woody Williams 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Rondell White 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Ryan Klesko 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Rob. Hernandez 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Royce Clayton 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Jeff Conine 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Mike Stanton 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Jose Mesa 0 0.0% 1st Yr
Todd Walker 0 0.0% 1st Yr
** Final year of eligibility
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:55 pm
by bluehenbillk
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:55 pm
by Seahawks08
Biggio, Bagwell, and Piazza should make it next year. Along with Maddux of course.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:06 pm
by AZGrizFan
Craig Biggio 388 68.2% 1st Yr
Jack Morris 385 67.7% 66.7%
Jeff Bagwell 339 59.6% 56.0%
Mike Piazza 329 57.8% 1st Yr
Tim Raines 297 52.2% 48.7%
Lee Smith 272 47.8% 50.6%
Curt Schilling 221 38.8% 1st Yr
Roger Clemens 214 37.6% 1st Yr
Barry Bonds 206 36.2% 1st Yr
Edgar Martinez 204 35.9% 36.5%
Alan Trammell 191 33.6% 36.8%
Larry Walker 123 21.6% 22.9%
Fred McGriff 118 20.7% 23.9%
Dale Murphy** 106 18.6% 14.5%
Mark McGwire 96 16.9% 19.5%
Don Mattingly 75 13.2% 17.8%
Sammy Sosa 71 12.5% 1st Yr
Rafael Palmeiro 50 8.8% 12.6%
Bernie Williams 19 3.3% 9.6%
Kenny Lofton 18 3.2% 1st Yr
Sans steroid rumors, the bolded ones would have been 1st year locks. This was going to be THE year for the HOF...
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:12 pm
by dbackjon
Joe Table didn't get a single vote????
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:14 pm
by SuperHornet
Maybe I've been under a rock, but I never heard a word about 'roid rumors tied to Schilling. The others, certainly. But not Schilling. Come to think of it, I never heard any of that tied to Biggio, either.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:32 pm
by AZGrizFan
SuperHornet wrote:Maybe I've been under a rock, but I never heard a word about 'roid rumors tied to Schilling. The others, certainly. But not Schilling. Come to think of it, I never heard any of that tied to Biggio, either.
Maybe not, but they're lumped into the "era", and all numbers are tainted at this point.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:42 pm
by Ivytalk
SuperHornet wrote:Maybe I've been under a rock, but I never heard a word about 'roid rumors tied to Schilling. The others, certainly. But not Schilling. Come to think of it, I never heard any of that tied to Biggio, either.
I thought the dirty helmet would get Biggio in for sure.
Aaron Sele? Jeff Conine? Ryan Klesko? Jeezus H.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:43 pm
by AZGrizFan
Ivytalk wrote:SuperHornet wrote:Maybe I've been under a rock, but I never heard a word about 'roid rumors tied to Schilling. The others, certainly. But not Schilling. Come to think of it, I never heard any of that tied to Biggio, either.
I thought the dirty helmet would get Biggio in for sure.
Aaron Sele? Jeff Conine? Ryan Klesko? Jeezus H.
I always get a kick out of some of the "lesser" names on the ballot each year.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:04 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
Biggio nor Bagwell were ever linked to steroids... the fucking writers are just shitbags...
I think it's stupid to eliminate an entire era from the Hall out of some overwrought self-righteous notion of propriety.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:31 am
by Gil Dobie
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Biggio nor Bagwell were ever linked to steroids... the **** writers are just shitbags...
I think it's stupid to eliminate an entire era from the Hall out of some overwrought self-righteous notion of propriety.
In the instructions it mentions the integrity for the game of baseball. We don't know who used steroids, players kept it a secret whether they used or not. Frank Thomas was one of the few players to speak out against steroids during that period. He will be up for election next year. Bagwell has been accused, but denies steroid use. If a player hasn't been caught, why would they admit it. Players, Owners and Bud Selig both ignored and lied about PED's. Not a lot of integrity in baseball, but a lot of money made on the steroid era.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:35 am
by AZGrizFan
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Biggio nor Bagwell were ever linked to steroids... the fucking writers are just shitbags...
I think it's stupid to eliminate an entire era from the Hall out of some overwrought self-righteous notion of propriety.
Bags was as linked to steroids as Piazza ever was. Biggio? Not a peep. He should have gotten in...but then there's that santimonious self-righteousness of many BBWAA voters who don't believe that ANY player deserves to get in on their first ballot...I think Biggio gets in next year, and possibly even Piazza.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:39 am
by Gil Dobie
AZGrizFan wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Biggio nor Bagwell were ever linked to steroids... the **** writers are just shitbags...
I think it's stupid to eliminate an entire era from the Hall out of some overwrought self-righteous notion of propriety.
Bags was as linked to steroids as Piazza ever was. Biggio? Not a peep. He should have gotten in...but then there's that santimonious self-righteousness of many BBWAA voters who don't believe that ANY player deserves to get in on their first ballot...I think Biggio gets in next year, and possibly even Piazza.
Could be a big class with Glavine, Maddox and Frank Thomas joining the ballot.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:17 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
My thing is - all this is tantamount to denying history. MLB has had MUCH more shameful episodes in their history (segregation for one) and the Hall of Fame now tackles those moments head on, doesn't hide it, doesn't excuse it... just explains it.
Hundreds of players were implicated with regard to PED. Not all of them are HOFers. Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Sosa, Palmeiro should all be in the Hall. The museum should (and already does, to some extent) address the era.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:23 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
Gil Dobie wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Bags was as linked to steroids as Piazza ever was. Biggio? Not a peep. He should have gotten in...but then there's that santimonious self-righteousness of many BBWAA voters who don't believe that ANY player deserves to get in on their first ballot...I think Biggio gets in next year, and possibly even Piazza.
Could be a big class with Glavine, Maddox and Frank Thomas joining the ballot.
Next years ballot will have 43 (you can only pick 10):
My choices in
bold
Craig Biggio 2nd 68.20%
Jack Morris 15th 67.70%
Jeff Bagwell 4th 59.60%
Mike Piazza 2nd 57.80%
Tim Raines 7th 52.20%
Lee Smith 12th 47.80%
Curt Schilling 2nd 38.80%
Roger Clemens 2nd 37.60%
Barry Bonds 2nd 36.20%
Edgar Martinez 5th 35.90%
Alan Trammell 13th 33.60%
Larry Walker 4th 21.60%
Fred McGriff 5th 20.70%
Mark McGwire 8th 16.90%
Don Mattingly 14th 13.20%
Sammy Sosa 2nd 12.50%
Rafael Palmeiro 4th 8.80%
Greg Maddux 1st
Frank Thomas 1st
Mike Mussina 1st
Tom Glavine 1st
Jeff Kent 1st
Luis Gonzalez 1st
Kenny Rogers 1st
Moises Alou 1st
Ray Durham 1st
Shannon Stewart 1st
Jon Lieber 1st
Esteban Loaiza 1st
Hideo Nomo 1st
Keith Foulke 1st
Geoff Jenkins 1st
Matt Morris 1st
Jose Vidro 1st
Paul Lo Duca 1st
Richie Sexson 1st
Armando Benitez 1st
Mike Timlin 1st
Sean Casey 1st
Eric Gagne 1st
Dmitri Young 1st
Shawn Estes 1st
Todd Jones 1st
J.T. Snow 1st
Joe Borowski 1st
Vote for Palmeiro to keep him on the ballot, Morris in his last year...
there are a nearly 20 I'd vote for.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:32 am
by AZGrizFan
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Next years ballot will have 43 (you can only pick 10):
My choices in
bold
Craig Biggio 2nd 68.20%
Jack Morris 15th 67.70%
Jeff Bagwell 4th 59.60%
Mike Piazza 2nd 57.80%
Tim Raines 7th 52.20%
Lee Smith 12th 47.80%
Curt Schilling 2nd 38.80%
Roger Clemens 2nd 37.60%
Barry Bonds 2nd 36.20%
Edgar Martinez 5th 35.90%
Alan Trammell 13th 33.60%
Larry Walker 4th 21.60%
Fred McGriff 5th 20.70%
Mark McGwire 8th 16.90%
Don Mattingly 14th 13.20%
Sammy Sosa 2nd 12.50%
Rafael Palmeiro 4th 8.80%
Greg Maddux 1st
Frank Thomas 1st
Mike Mussina 1st
Tom Glavine 1st
Jeff Kent 1st
Luis Gonzalez 1st
Kenny Rogers 1st
Moises Alou 1st
Ray Durham 1st
Shannon Stewart 1st
Jon Lieber 1st
Esteban Loaiza 1st
Hideo Nomo 1st
Keith Foulke 1st
Geoff Jenkins 1st
Matt Morris 1st
Jose Vidro 1st
Paul Lo Duca 1st
Richie Sexson 1st
Armando Benitez 1st
Mike Timlin 1st
Sean Casey 1st
Eric Gagne 1st
Dmitri Young 1st
Shawn Estes 1st
Todd Jones 1st
J.T. Snow 1st
Joe Borowski 1st
Vote for Palmeiro to keep him on the ballot, Morris in his last year...
there are a nearly 20 I'd vote for.
I'd take off Schilling & Palmiero and add Smith & Biggio.
Re: Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:03 pm
by Gil Dobie
I'm not for putting the roid users or suspects in the Hall of Fame yet.
Waiting for the HOF's section on infamy.
Next years ballot will have 43 (you can only pick 10):
I would take these 8 (unless they are found to have used PED's) in bold
Craig Biggio 2nd 68.20%
Jack Morris 15th 67.70%
Jeff Bagwell 4th 59.60%
Mike Piazza 2nd 57.80%
Tim Raines 7th 52.20%
Lee Smith 12th 47.80%
Curt Schilling 2nd 38.80%
Roger Clemens 2nd 37.60%
Barry Bonds 2nd 36.20%
Edgar Martinez 5th 35.90%
Alan Trammell 13th 33.60%
Larry Walker 4th 21.60%
Fred McGriff 5th 20.70%
Mark McGwire 8th 16.90%
Don Mattingly 14th 13.20%
Sammy Sosa 2nd 12.50%
Rafael Palmeiro 4th 8.80%
Greg Maddux 1st
Frank Thomas 1st
Mike Mussina 1st
Tom Glavine 1st
Jeff Kent 1st
Luis Gonzalez 1st
Kenny Rogers 1st
Moises Alou 1st
Ray Durham 1st
Shannon Stewart 1st
Jon Lieber 1st
Esteban Loaiza 1st
Hideo Nomo 1st
Keith Foulke 1st
Geoff Jenkins 1st
Matt Morris 1st
Jose Vidro 1st
Paul Lo Duca 1st
Richie Sexson 1st
Armando Benitez 1st
Mike Timlin 1st
Sean Casey 1st
Eric Gagne 1st
Dmitri Young 1st
Shawn Estes 1st
Todd Jones 1st
J.T. Snow 1st
Joe Borowski 1st
