Skip Bayless simply got a dose of his own medicine there...bravo Richard Sherman. Remember, Skip Bayless is the same clown that said Tebow is a better passer than Cam Newton. Only SH would believe that nonsense.
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BlueHen86 wrote:I'm no Skip Bayless fan. I think I could destroy him.
That said, IMHO, Sherman was out of line.
Totally agree with all of this. Vanderbilt is no slouch when it comes to academics. Sherman got a little carried away there. I also doubt his degree in communications was particularly difficult to attain, even if it is a Stanford degree. Skip double-majored at Vandy (history and English)- I know Sherman didn't. He would have done well to just stick to the "Richard Sherman, All-Pro CB" as his preferred label.
And in the interest of riling up SE...I'd still prefer (healthy) Darrelle Revis at this point in time.
ASUMountaineer wrote:Skip Bayless simply got a dose of his own medicine there...bravo Richard Sherman. Remember, Skip Bayless is the same clown that said Tebow is a better passer than Cam Newton. Only SH would believe that nonsense.
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BlueHen86 wrote:I'm no Skip Bayless fan. I think I could destroy him.
That said, IMHO, Sherman was out of line.
Totally agree with all of this. Vanderbilt is no slouch when it comes to academics. Sherman got a little carried away there. I also doubt his degree in communications was particularly difficult to attain, even if it is a Stanford degree. Skip double-majored at Vandy (history and English)- I know Sherman didn't. He would have done well to just stick to the "Richard Sherman, All-Pro CB" as his preferred label.
And in the interest of riling up SE...I'd still prefer (healthy) Darrelle Revis at this point in time.
As stated before this guy said "I'm better at life than you" SMH!!!!
BlueHen86 wrote:I'm no Skip Bayless fan. I think I could destroy him.
That said, IMHO, Sherman was out of line.
Totally agree with all of this. Vanderbilt is no slouch when it comes to academics. Sherman got a little carried away there. I also doubt his degree in communications was particularly difficult to attain, even if it is a Stanford degree. Skip double-majored at Vandy (history and English)- I know Sherman didn't. He would have done well to just stick to the "Richard Sherman, All-Pro CB" as his preferred label.
And in the interest of riling up SE...I'd still prefer (healthy) Darrelle Revis at this point in time.
Why would that rile me up? I have no problem your right to be wrong.
Brock Landers wrote:I love how Seahawks fans celebrate Sherman yet decry Harbaugh
Biggest douche in the NFL
Sherman isn't a petulant man-child. Not to mention both Sherm and Baldwin who played for Harbaugh at Stanford can't stand the guy.
You've actually talked to them and heard them say this? Obviously they can't hate him that much since A. they played for him in college and he honored their scholarships and B. he got them into the NFL.
If you have evidence in the way of an actual quote, please show me and I will recant, but if not, this just comes off as weak homerism.
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Sherman isn't a petulant man-child. Not to mention both Sherm and Baldwin who played for Harbaugh at Stanford can't stand the guy.
You've actually talked to them and heard them say this? Obviously they can't hate him that much since A. they played for him in college and he honored their scholarships and B. he got them into the NFL.
If you have evidence in the way of an actual quote, please show me and I will recant, but if not, this just comes off as weak homerism.
Got them into the NFL? Harbaugh demoted both of them to scout team/walk-on status, and passed on both of them in draft despite having 10 picks. Of course neither has flat out said "I hate Jim Harbaugh," (that I know of) but both have subtly let it be known they have contempt for him because he disrespected them. Because these articles are kind of long, I'll put them in Spoilers.
"Football is a game of pride," Sherman said. "There's a lot of things that challenge your pride. I carry a lot of the things I read off the field, onto the field. I read everything. The good stuff, I try to stay away from, but I read every knock on me. I still remember stuff from before the draft when people were saying I couldn't do this or that. I just couldn't wait to get on the field and prove everybody wrong. I'm trying to get all those people fired."
Does is sound like he's the type of guy that holds a grudge?
It was a great marriage at the beginning. Harbaugh stack-ranked all the players he had on the roster in terms of value, and put Sherman at the top of that list.
"When he first came in, he was great," Sherman said. "He's such a [hardass] when you're not on his good side, but it's great when you are."
Sherman would see both sides of Harbaugh before his Stanford career would wrap up. After a promising freshmen season, he was enjoying a breakout sophomore year and Harbaugh took notice.
"[Coach Harbaugh] came up to me at one point and told me, 'Hey, you're on pace to have an incredible season,'" Sherman said.
The passes stopped coming Sherman's way after that conversation. He caught a combined six passes in the last three games of the season, including three in the final two games that went for a total of 16 yards. This, for a receiver who averaged 16.7 yards per catch that season. It could have been a coincidence, or it may have been Harbaugh's way of keeping Sherman's feet on the ground heading into his junior year.
Everything changed as a junior. Sherman tore his patella tendon during camp. He wanted to get surgery, but the team's receiving corps was inexperienced behind him, with only sophomores Doug Baldwin and Ryan Whalen there to pick up the slack. He talked with the coaches and decided to play through the injury for a while, which ended up being four games, before having the surgery and missing the rest of the season. Four games was the maximum he could play while still preserving his medical redshirt eligibility.
Harbaugh had publicly said that Sherman's MRI did not show a tear. He was less than thrilled with Sherman's decision to go through with the surgery, and when camp re-opened the following year, he had Sherman at the bottom of the receivers depth chart, even below the walk-ons. Some people would have thought about transferring when faced with that type of environment, but not Sherman.
"You can't transfer from Stanford," Sherman said. "That would have killed everything I came for. It's one of the hardest schools to get into, and I came to get my degree from Stanford. I wasn't going to let anyone change the course of my life like that."
Locked in the doghouse, Sherman decided to bust out the back door. He told Harbaugh he wanted to switch to defense, and would be willing to start at the bottom of the depth chart because he knew he'd become a starter. It didn't hurt that Harbaugh spent almost no time with the defense, and had little to say about who played on that side of the ball. Harbaugh would later admit to doubting the move would succeed. It takes a special kind of arrogance to not only punish a player for an injury, but then willingly let one of your best players move to a position where you do not believe he will succeed.
Sherman was no stranger to being underestimated, and quickly moved up the depth chart once Harbaugh was not standing in his way. He started every game, and turned in a standout senior season with four interceptions and 13 passes defensed. NFL scouts had trouble imagining a 6'3" corner succeeding at the next level, which allowed him to slide all the way to the fifth round. Thirty-three cornerbacks were selected before Sherman went off the board with the 154th pick to the Seahawks. Players like Buster Skrine and Chris Prosinski had their names called before him. A certain new coach in San Francisco used a pick nearly 80 spots earlier to take CB Chris Culliver.
You think Sherm has just forgotten about Harbaugh demoting him lower than the walk-ons and passing over him in the draft?
Doug Baldwin was deeply depressed and fighting for his football life. Stanford head coach Jim Harbaugh had relegated him to the scout team at the start of his junior season, and there was little indication his role would change. Baldwin called his parents, his touchstones, and tried to figure out if there was a way he could afford to remain at Stanford without his athletic scholarship. He had lost his passion for the game that had been a central part of his life since the age of six. Baldwin thought God was giving him a sign that football was not a part of his future.
His parents, Cindy Baldwin and Doug Baldwin Sr., did not raise a quitter, and were not about to let him give up on his dream. Baldwin had few options. Stanford has a tradition where each incoming freshman gets a "father" to help guide him. Baldwin's father at school was then-wide receiver, and current breakout Seahawks cornerback, Richard Sherman. Sherman faced a similar crisis, and decided the future was so bleak at receiver, that he switched to defense so he could learn to play cornerback. Maybe it would have made sense for Baldwin to follow Sherman's lead. Maybe he should transfer. Maybe he should stick it out. Baldwin was running the most crucial option route of his life, and was nearing the top of his break. He had to make a decision. And as he had done so many times before, he read the situation correctly and made the best choice, breaking away from his opposition.
Baldwin stayed at Stanford, as a receiver, and spent his entire junior season playing on the scout team. As depressed as he was, he never doubted his abilities. The scout team faced the number one defense every day in practice, and Baldwin made plays all the time. His chance to prove himself in a game did not come until his senior year when starter Chris Owusu was injured. In one half, Baldwin blew away his entire 2009 yardare total (36 yards) by pulling in four receptions for 111 yards and two touchdowns. He got another chance against USC a few weeks later, again due to injury, and had a career-high 8 receptions for 98 yards and two more scores in the Cardinals victory. The trend continued when he re-set his career-highs with 10 catches and 123 yards against @ASU while subbing again for an injured Owusu.
His performances were not sufficient to convince the intractable Harbaugh that he had been wrong about Baldwin. The 49ers had ten draft choices, including three in seventh round, in Harbaugh's first year as head coach. If any team should have seen Baldwin's potential, it should have been the 49ers. Instead, they drafted one receiver in the sixth round, ironically out of USC (Ronald Johnson), and three players in the seventh that proved to be non-factors in 2011. They were one of twenty-plus teams that made a free agent offer to Baldwin after the draft, but it was just a nibble. Given Baldwin's experience with Harbaugh in college, it is not clear there was an offer the 49ers could make that would have convinced him to sign.
Ew, I don't like those 3 guys.
I have disliked Bayless ever since he called my friend "Natasha Nogoodnik" in an article he wrote for a newspaper.
I've kept that article.
Ew, I don't like those 3 guys.
I have disliked Bayless ever since he called my friend "Natasha Nogoodnik" in an article he wrote for a newspaper.
I've kept that article.
alyssa wrote:Ew, I don't like those 3 guys.
I have disliked Bayless ever since he called my friend "Natasha Nogoodnik" in an article he wrote for a newspaper.
I've kept that article.
rkwittem wrote:
You've actually talked to them and heard them say this? Obviously they can't hate him that much since A. they played for him in college and he honored their scholarships and B. he got them into the NFL.
If you have evidence in the way of an actual quote, please show me and I will recant, but if not, this just comes off as weak homerism.
Got them into the NFL? Harbaugh demoted both of them to scout team/walk-on status, and passed on both of them in draft despite having 10 picks. Of course neither has flat out said "I hate Jim Harbaugh," (that I know of) but both have subtly let it be known they have contempt for him because he disrespected them. Because these articles are kind of long, I'll put them in Spoilers.
"Football is a game of pride," Sherman said. "There's a lot of things that challenge your pride. I carry a lot of the things I read off the field, onto the field. I read everything. The good stuff, I try to stay away from, but I read every knock on me. I still remember stuff from before the draft when people were saying I couldn't do this or that. I just couldn't wait to get on the field and prove everybody wrong. I'm trying to get all those people fired."
Does is sound like he's the type of guy that holds a grudge?
It was a great marriage at the beginning. Harbaugh stack-ranked all the players he had on the roster in terms of value, and put Sherman at the top of that list.
"When he first came in, he was great," Sherman said. "He's such a [hardass] when you're not on his good side, but it's great when you are."
Sherman would see both sides of Harbaugh before his Stanford career would wrap up. After a promising freshmen season, he was enjoying a breakout sophomore year and Harbaugh took notice.
"[Coach Harbaugh] came up to me at one point and told me, 'Hey, you're on pace to have an incredible season,'" Sherman said.
The passes stopped coming Sherman's way after that conversation. He caught a combined six passes in the last three games of the season, including three in the final two games that went for a total of 16 yards. This, for a receiver who averaged 16.7 yards per catch that season. It could have been a coincidence, or it may have been Harbaugh's way of keeping Sherman's feet on the ground heading into his junior year.
Everything changed as a junior. Sherman tore his patella tendon during camp. He wanted to get surgery, but the team's receiving corps was inexperienced behind him, with only sophomores Doug Baldwin and Ryan Whalen there to pick up the slack. He talked with the coaches and decided to play through the injury for a while, which ended up being four games, before having the surgery and missing the rest of the season. Four games was the maximum he could play while still preserving his medical redshirt eligibility.
Harbaugh had publicly said that Sherman's MRI did not show a tear. He was less than thrilled with Sherman's decision to go through with the surgery, and when camp re-opened the following year, he had Sherman at the bottom of the receivers depth chart, even below the walk-ons. Some people would have thought about transferring when faced with that type of environment, but not Sherman.
"You can't transfer from Stanford," Sherman said. "That would have killed everything I came for. It's one of the hardest schools to get into, and I came to get my degree from Stanford. I wasn't going to let anyone change the course of my life like that."
Locked in the doghouse, Sherman decided to bust out the back door. He told Harbaugh he wanted to switch to defense, and would be willing to start at the bottom of the depth chart because he knew he'd become a starter. It didn't hurt that Harbaugh spent almost no time with the defense, and had little to say about who played on that side of the ball. Harbaugh would later admit to doubting the move would succeed. It takes a special kind of arrogance to not only punish a player for an injury, but then willingly let one of your best players move to a position where you do not believe he will succeed.
Sherman was no stranger to being underestimated, and quickly moved up the depth chart once Harbaugh was not standing in his way. He started every game, and turned in a standout senior season with four interceptions and 13 passes defensed. NFL scouts had trouble imagining a 6'3" corner succeeding at the next level, which allowed him to slide all the way to the fifth round. Thirty-three cornerbacks were selected before Sherman went off the board with the 154th pick to the Seahawks. Players like Buster Skrine and Chris Prosinski had their names called before him. A certain new coach in San Francisco used a pick nearly 80 spots earlier to take CB Chris Culliver.
You think Sherm has just forgotten about Harbaugh demoting him lower than the walk-ons and passing over him in the draft?
Doug Baldwin was deeply depressed and fighting for his football life. Stanford head coach Jim Harbaugh had relegated him to the scout team at the start of his junior season, and there was little indication his role would change. Baldwin called his parents, his touchstones, and tried to figure out if there was a way he could afford to remain at Stanford without his athletic scholarship. He had lost his passion for the game that had been a central part of his life since the age of six. Baldwin thought God was giving him a sign that football was not a part of his future.
His parents, Cindy Baldwin and Doug Baldwin Sr., did not raise a quitter, and were not about to let him give up on his dream. Baldwin had few options. Stanford has a tradition where each incoming freshman gets a "father" to help guide him. Baldwin's father at school was then-wide receiver, and current breakout Seahawks cornerback, Richard Sherman. Sherman faced a similar crisis, and decided the future was so bleak at receiver, that he switched to defense so he could learn to play cornerback. Maybe it would have made sense for Baldwin to follow Sherman's lead. Maybe he should transfer. Maybe he should stick it out. Baldwin was running the most crucial option route of his life, and was nearing the top of his break. He had to make a decision. And as he had done so many times before, he read the situation correctly and made the best choice, breaking away from his opposition.
Baldwin stayed at Stanford, as a receiver, and spent his entire junior season playing on the scout team. As depressed as he was, he never doubted his abilities. The scout team faced the number one defense every day in practice, and Baldwin made plays all the time. His chance to prove himself in a game did not come until his senior year when starter Chris Owusu was injured. In one half, Baldwin blew away his entire 2009 yardare total (36 yards) by pulling in four receptions for 111 yards and two touchdowns. He got another chance against USC a few weeks later, again due to injury, and had a career-high 8 receptions for 98 yards and two more scores in the Cardinals victory. The trend continued when he re-set his career-highs with 10 catches and 123 yards against @ASU while subbing again for an injured Owusu.
His performances were not sufficient to convince the intractable Harbaugh that he had been wrong about Baldwin. The 49ers had ten draft choices, including three in seventh round, in Harbaugh's first year as head coach. If any team should have seen Baldwin's potential, it should have been the 49ers. Instead, they drafted one receiver in the sixth round, ironically out of USC (Ronald Johnson), and three players in the seventh that proved to be non-factors in 2011. They were one of twenty-plus teams that made a free agent offer to Baldwin after the draft, but it was just a nibble. Given Baldwin's experience with Harbaugh in college, it is not clear there was an offer the 49ers could make that would have convinced him to sign.
There are more examples I'm sure, those are just the ones I can recall right now.
I really don't see either of these two guys getting to the pros under Walt Harris. Sherman never would have moved to CB if Harris had been coach and Baldwin was a nobody WR by college standards (and still is by pro standards). He's an ok player.
Sherman said he would switch positions and go to the bottom of the depth chart. What, did you expect Harbaugh to make a former WR his starting CB or nickel corner right away? If I was a HC and a player said that, I'd do the same. And I bet you would two.
Each of these guys deserves props for making it where they have, but to suggest that Harbaugh has nothing to do with it just because he coaches their rival team in the pros is a pretty ridiculous argument if you ask me.
alyssa wrote:Ew, I don't like those 3 guys.
I have disliked Bayless ever since he called my friend "Natasha Nogoodnik" in an article he wrote for a newspaper.
I've kept that article.
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Got them into the NFL? Harbaugh demoted both of them to scout team/walk-on status, and passed on both of them in draft despite having 10 picks. Of course neither has flat out said "I hate Jim Harbaugh," (that I know of) but both have subtly let it be known they have contempt for him because he disrespected them. Because these articles are kind of long, I'll put them in Spoilers.
There are more examples I'm sure, those are just the ones I can recall right now.
I really don't see either of these two guys getting to the pros under Walt Harris. Sherman never would have moved to CB if Harris had been coach and Baldwin was a nobody WR by college standards (and still is by pro standards). He's an ok player.
Sherman said he would switch positions and go to the bottom of the depth chart. What, did you expect Harbaugh to make a former WR his starting CB or nickel corner right away? If I was a HC and a player said that, I'd do the same. And I bet you would two.
Each of these guys deserves props for making it where they have, but to suggest that Harbaugh has nothing to do with it just because he coaches their rival team in the pros is a pretty ridiculous argument if you ask me.
You don't think demoting your best WR to below a walk-on negatively affects a guy's playing time and thus his stats and NFL stock? If Harbaugh hadn't demoted Sherm (for opting to get surgery to heal an injury that he played on for four weeks), he likely would've been drafted higher as a WR. Not many players can completely change positions and excel at it in only a year... Harbaugh didn't help Sherm's chances, he hindered them, and Richard overcame them anyway.
That didn't sound much like a recantation, by the way.