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AUGUSTA, Ga. – Tiger Woods was assessed a two-stroke penalty and received a mountain of criticism after taking an illegal drop on the 15th hole of Friday's Masters that sent the venerable tournament in chaos.
The question now, however, is whether he actually committed a violation at all, or instead was the victim of a false confession.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBq-N73v9E[/youtube]

You can see in this video that he dropped it at least a foot or two behind his original lie.

The angle of those pictures is from a camera so far away and at such an extreme angle it can't tell that he actually moved.

Still not worthy of DQ, though. :coffee:
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Tiger said he knew he dropped it 2 feet behind. In Golf, ingnorance of the rule is reason to DQ. Money is a reason to keep him in the tourney.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Tiger said he knew he dropped it 2 feet behind. In Golf, ingnorance of the rule is reason to DQ. Money is a reason to keep him in the tourney.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Tiger said he knew he dropped it 2 feet behind. In Golf, ingnorance of the rule is reason to DQ. Money is a reason to keep him in the tourney.
Well then I guess the Chinese kid should have been DQ'd, too.

Or is it worse when you know the rules and break them anyway...Repeatedly?

I'd be able to handle the "TIGER SHOULD BE DQ'D" bullshit if the Masters staff hadn't okay'd his score card before he signed it.

Haters gon' hate. :coffee:
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uofmman1122 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Tiger said he knew he dropped it 2 feet behind. In Golf, ingnorance of the rule is reason to DQ. Money is a reason to keep him in the tourney.
Well then I guess the Chinese kid should have been DQ'd, too.

Or is it worse when you know the rules and break them anyway...Repeatedly?

I'd be able to handle the "TIGER SHOULD BE DQ'D" bullshit if the Masters staff hadn't okay'd his score card before he signed it.

Haters gon' hate. :coffee:
Where were the clock police on Sunday when they were stacked up two deep on the last few holes waiting for Jason Day to close his eyes and visualize the next shot? :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
uofmman1122 wrote:Well then I guess the Chinese kid should have been DQ'd, too.

Or is it worse when you know the rules and break them anyway...Repeatedly?

I'd be able to handle the "TIGER SHOULD BE DQ'D" bullshit if the Masters staff hadn't okay'd his score card before he signed it.

Haters gon' hate. :coffee:
Where were the clock police on Sunday when they were stacked up two deep on the last few holes waiting for Jason Day to close his eyes and visualize the next shot? :coffee:
I know, right? :ohno:
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uofmman1122 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Tiger said he knew he dropped it 2 feet behind. In Golf, ingnorance of the rule is reason to DQ. Money is a reason to keep him in the tourney.
Well then I guess the Chinese kid should have been DQ'd, too.

Or is it worse when you know the rules and break them anyway...Repeatedly?

I'd be able to handle the "TIGER SHOULD BE DQ'D" bullshit if the Masters staff hadn't okay'd his score card before he signed it.

Haters gon' hate. :coffee:
Has nothing to do with hate, if his name was Tom Smith, I would have typed the same thing about the facts of the PGA. Look at all the DQ's in golf history. Rule infractions lead to DQ's. Rules of golf are archaic and many should be changed, but according to past history of the PGA, it mostly likely should have been a DQ.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
uofmman1122 wrote:Well then I guess the Chinese kid should have been DQ'd, too.

Or is it worse when you know the rules and break them anyway...Repeatedly?

I'd be able to handle the "TIGER SHOULD BE DQ'D" bullshit if the Masters staff hadn't okay'd his score card before he signed it.

Haters gon' hate. :coffee:
Has nothing to do with hate, if his name was Tom Smith, I would have typed the same thing about the facts of the PGA. Look at all the DQ's in golf history. Rule infractions lead to DQ's. Rules of golf are archaic and many should be changed, but according to past history of the PGA, it mostly likely should have been a DQ.
But they did change the rule coming into this year that it's no longer an automatic DQ for signing an incorrect card. The rule now gives some leeway if they player was unaware, when they signed the card, that they had committed a foul that would result in a penalty and therefore a different score. Under the rules as they are today, it was correct not to DQ him. Certainly was different in the past, but that was before the rule change.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
uofmman1122 wrote:Well then I guess the Chinese kid should have been DQ'd, too.

Or is it worse when you know the rules and break them anyway...Repeatedly?

I'd be able to handle the "TIGER SHOULD BE DQ'D" bullshit if the Masters staff hadn't okay'd his score card before he signed it.

Haters gon' hate. :coffee:
Has nothing to do with hate, if his name was Tom Smith, I would have typed the same thing about the facts of the PGA. Look at all the DQ's in golf history. Rule infractions lead to DQ's. Rules of golf are archaic and many should be changed, but according to past history of the PGA, it mostly likely should have been a DQ.
Well, according to the new rules, he shouldn't have been DQ'd.

But go ahead and let that hate flow through you. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Has nothing to do with hate, if his name was Tom Smith, I would have typed the same thing about the facts of the PGA. Look at all the DQ's in golf history. Rule infractions lead to DQ's. Rules of golf are archaic and many should be changed, but according to past history of the PGA, it mostly likely should have been a DQ.
But they did change the rule coming into this year that it's no longer an automatic DQ for signing an incorrect card. The rule now gives some leeway if they player was unaware, when they signed the card, that they had committed a foul that would result in a penalty and therefore a different score. Under the rules as they are today, it was correct not to DQ him. Certainly was different in the past, but that was before the rule change.
True, but it's still a judgement call by the committee. That's what's rubbing people the wrong the way. The committee chose not to disqualify him, probably because they didn't handle it well.
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Tiger...guilty of putting his balls in the wrong place?

No new story here.
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Cluck U wrote:Tiger...guilty of putting his balls in the wrong place?

No new story here.
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uofmman1122 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Has nothing to do with hate, if his name was Tom Smith, I would have typed the same thing about the facts of the PGA. Look at all the DQ's in golf history. Rule infractions lead to DQ's. Rules of golf are archaic and many should be changed, but according to past history of the PGA, it mostly likely should have been a DQ.
Well, according to the new rules, he shouldn't have been DQ'd.

But go ahead and let that hate flow through you. :coffee:
I am glad they changed the rule, keep hating me because I don't give anyone a pass, not even Tom Smith.

Someone has a Tiger Man-crush :lol:
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They need to eliminate the DQ for signing a wrong scorecard, period.
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89Hen wrote:They need to eliminate the DQ for signing a wrong scorecard, period.
That's an interesting idea.
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:They need to eliminate the DQ for signing a wrong scorecard, period.
That's an interesting idea.
Your competitor keeps your card. If you make a 5 on 18 and shoot a 70, but they write down a 4 but still add your card to 70 and you sign it... you're Dairy Queened. Fuck that.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
That's an interesting idea.
Your competitor keeps your card. If you make a 5 on 18 and shoot a 70, but they write down a 4 but still add your card to 70 and you sign it... you're Dairy Queened. Fuck that.
Ever happened to you?
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Your competitor keeps your card. If you make a 5 on 18 and shoot a 70, but they write down a 4 but still add your card to 70 and you sign it... you're Dairy Queened. Fuck that.
Ever happened to you?
No, but I don't play in tournaments with walking scorers, so I'm not sure how anyone would know if the hole by hole scores were wrong. Remember, you don't have to add correctly. 8-)
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Gil Dobie wrote:
uofmman1122 wrote:Well, according to the new rules, he shouldn't have been DQ'd.

But go ahead and let that hate flow through you. :coffee:
I am glad they changed the rule, keep hating me because I don't give anyone a pass, not even Tom Smith.

Someone has a Tiger Man-crush :lol:
If it was Tom Smith a gay slob sitting at home in his mom's basement screaming for the meatloaf wouldn't have called the rules committee and reported it.

If it was Tom Smith he wouldn't have had the interview that tiger did after the round.

If it was Tom Smith and they didn't penalize him on the spot they wouldn't have done so after the fact.

Either do it on the spot ir don't do it at all.

Maybe we should go back and give that tigers pitcher a perfect game since he was given a call that could easily be fixed with an after the fact change

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clenz wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
I am glad they changed the rule, keep hating me because I don't give anyone a pass, not even Tom Smith.

Someone has a Tiger Man-crush :lol:
If it was Tom Smith a gay slob sitting at home in his mom's basement screaming for the meatloaf wouldn't have called the rules committee and reported it.

If it was Tom Smith he wouldn't have had the interview that tiger did after the round.

If it was Tom Smith and they didn't penalize him on the spot they wouldn't have done so after the fact.

Either do it on the spot ir don't do it at all.

Maybe we should go back and give that tigers pitcher a perfect game since he was given a call that could easily be fixed with an after the fact change

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This, which shouldn't be all that hard to understand.

Tiger's still my favorite golfer, so I guess that qualifies as a man-crush. :roll:

However, I still haven't seen any argument for disqualification that's gotten above the level of "fuck him, 'cuz he's Tiger Woods".

This is an issue because it happened to Tiger. Could have happened to any other equally covered superstar players, and I'd be defending them just as much as I am Tiger. That's why this rule is good for golf. :coffee:
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grizzaholic wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/golf--phot ... 53354.html

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AUGUSTA, Ga. – Tiger Woods was assessed a two-stroke penalty and received a mountain of criticism after taking an illegal drop on the 15th hole of Friday's Masters that sent the venerable tournament in chaos.
The question now, however, is whether he actually committed a violation at all, or instead was the victim of a false confession.
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clenz wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
I am glad they changed the rule, keep hating me because I don't give anyone a pass, not even Tom Smith.

Someone has a Tiger Man-crush :lol:
If it was Tom Smith a gay slob sitting at home in his mom's basement screaming for the meatloaf wouldn't have called the rules committee and reported it.

If it was Tom Smith he wouldn't have had the interview that tiger did after the round.

If it was Tom Smith and they didn't penalize him on the spot they wouldn't have done so after the fact.

Either do it on the spot ir don't do it at all.

Maybe we should go back and give that tigers pitcher a perfect game since he was given a call that could easily be fixed with an after the fact change

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I agree, if it's not called right away, the forgettaboutit. Many golfers DQ themselves upfront, without someone calling it in.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
clenz wrote: If it was Tom Smith a gay slob sitting at home in his mom's basement screaming for the meatloaf wouldn't have called the rules committee and reported it.

If it was Tom Smith he wouldn't have had the interview that tiger did after the round.

If it was Tom Smith and they didn't penalize him on the spot they wouldn't have done so after the fact.

Either do it on the spot ir don't do it at all.

Maybe we should go back and give that tigers pitcher a perfect game since he was given a call that could easily be fixed with an after the fact change

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I agree, if it's not called right away, the forgettaboutit. Many golfers DQ themselves upfront, without someone calling it in.
Tiger didn't think that he did anything wrong. He was also told that he didn't do anything wrong. It wasn't until after the press conference that the error was pointed out. A recent rule change allowed to him to continue playing. There was no reason for him to DQ himself.
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