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What a slippery dude and franchise.

Cheaters do win. Four Superbowls.

At least Round 1. NFL likely to appeal from the sounds of it.

tribe_pride wrote:At least Round 1. NFL likely to appeal from the sounds of it.

So what is their argument? We're 99.99% sure he did it?

About time he got a break

93henfan wrote:

tribe_pride wrote:At least Round 1. NFL likely to appeal from the sounds of it.

So what is their argument? We're 99.99% sure he did it?

The judge was not ruling on the merits of the case against Brady and I am not saying he should have suspended.

The thing is it is not easy for a court to overturn an arbitrator's ruling as arbitration is favored these days. It is very different than even overturning a lower court decision. I have not read the judge's opinion on the case but he can't just say I disagree with the arbitrator's decision so I am going to rule the other way.

Roger Goodell has had a pretty crappy year.

We can all agree on that but still made a lot of money so that kind of softens the blow.

The actual rulilng, when you read through it, is pretty interesting. Pretty much none of it deals with whether Brady actually cheated or not. The ruling was primarily based on the fact that the player, Brady in this case, was never properly warned that doing something like tampering with the ball, or having others tamper with the ball, or know of others tampering with the ball, was something that he could be suspended for. He probably could be fined for it, based on the ruling, but there was no pre-warning from the NFL saying that if you did any of those things you could be suspended from games.

So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

End of the day, still a cheater. But the thing he cheated in wasn't something the league even thought to warn players not to do. Arbitration can't erase the fact he cheated.

GannonFan wrote:
So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

There really is a Seinfeld reference for damn near every situation in life.

Grizalltheway wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

There really is a Seinfeld reference for damn near every situation in life.

93henfan wouldn't know about that as he has never watched a full episode

GannonFan wrote:The actual rulilng, when you read through it, is pretty interesting. Pretty much none of it deals with whether Brady actually cheated or not. The ruling was primarily based on the fact that the player, Brady in this case, was never properly warned that doing something like tampering with the ball, or having others tamper with the ball, or know of others tampering with the ball, was something that he could be suspended for. He probably could be fined for it, based on the ruling, but there was no pre-warning from the NFL saying that if you did any of those things you could be suspended from games.

So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

End of the day, still a cheater. But the thing he cheated in wasn't something the league even thought to warn players not to do. Arbitration can't erase the fact he cheated.

Brady's defense "Is that frowned upon?"

andy7171 wrote:Brady's defense "Is that frowned upon?"

Brady's defense:

bandl wrote:About time he got a break

GannonFan wrote:The actual rulilng, when you read through it, is pretty interesting. Pretty much none of it deals with whether Brady actually cheated or not. The ruling was primarily based on the fact that the player, Brady in this case, was never properly warned that doing something like tampering with the ball, or having others tamper with the ball, or know of others tampering with the ball, was something that he could be suspended for. He probably could be fined for it, based on the ruling, but there was no pre-warning from the NFL saying that if you did any of those things you could be suspended from games.

So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

End of the day, still a cheater. But the thing he cheated in wasn't something the league even thought to warn players not to do. Arbitration can't erase the fact he cheated.

The Judge questioned more than ^ above
The judge also questioned the "independent study" of Ted Wells as - not at all independent
The judge also question why prior cases of equipment tampering were $25K fines and a warning
The language used to define guilt wouldn't stand up in any independently moderated ruling
What amounts to nothing stronger than "he probably knew"

I find the whole thing to be amazing and also very funny
Wait till the NFL gets their appeal destroyed / Then what..?



I kinda wanted to see Gerappolloo (Geripolee / Golipolee sp?) start a few games just for fun

Chizzang wrote: I kinda wanted to see Gerappolloo (Geripolee / Golipolee sp?) start a few games just for fun

Garofalo?

93henfan wrote:

Chizzang wrote: I kinda wanted to see Gerappolloo (Geripolee / Golipolee sp?) start a few games just for fun

Garofalo?

Apparently she looked pretty good in Pre-Season..

93henfan wrote:

Chizzang wrote: I kinda wanted to see Gerappolloo (Geripolee / Golipolee sp?) start a few games just for fun

Garofalo?

NEWYD

GannonFan wrote:The actual rulilng, when you read through it, is pretty interesting. Pretty much none of it deals with whether Brady actually cheated or not. The ruling was primarily based on the fact that the player, Brady in this case, was never properly warned that doing something like tampering with the ball, or having others tamper with the ball, or know of others tampering with the ball, was something that he could be suspended for. He probably could be fined for it, based on the ruling, but there was no pre-warning from the NFL saying that if you did any of those things you could be suspended from games.

So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

End of the day, still a cheater. But the thing he cheated in wasn't something the league even thought to warn players not to do. Arbitration can't erase the fact he cheated.

I agree with this - basically the court approved cheating. Seriously, could the Patriots case been more laughable? I mean, "the Deflator" if you haven't forgot about that.

What that leaves is Brady's Legacy:

-SpyGate
-DeflateGate
-Tuck Rule
-Adam Viniatieri

Chizzang wrote:

GannonFan wrote:The actual rulilng, when you read through it, is pretty interesting. Pretty much none of it deals with whether Brady actually cheated or not. The ruling was primarily based on the fact that the player, Brady in this case, was never properly warned that doing something like tampering with the ball, or having others tamper with the ball, or know of others tampering with the ball, was something that he could be suspended for. He probably could be fined for it, based on the ruling, but there was no pre-warning from the NFL saying that if you did any of those things you could be suspended from games.

So, for the Seinfeld fans out there, Brady pretty much used the George Costanza defense when his boss called him in because he had sex with the cleaning lady in his cubicle: "Should I not have done that? Was that wrong? No one ever said that was wrong. If I had known that I certainly wouldn't have done that".

End of the day, still a cheater. But the thing he cheated in wasn't something the league even thought to warn players not to do. Arbitration can't erase the fact he cheated.

The Judge questioned more than ^ above
The judge also questioned the "independent study" of Ted Wells as - not at all independent
The judge also question why prior cases of equipment tampering were $25K fines and a warning
The language used to define guilt wouldn't stand up in any independently moderated ruling
What amounts to nothing stronger than "he probably knew"

I find the whole thing to be amazing and also very funny
Wait till the NFL gets their appeal destroyed / Then what..?



I kinda wanted to see Gerappolloo (Geripolee / Golipolee sp?) start a few games just for fun

Not entirely true. Sure the judge questioned other things, including the independence of the Wells report and the blocking of Brady's attorney's to question the investigator. But at no time in the decision did the judge question the guilt or lack of guilt on Brady's part. He left that untouched.

So again, the main things the judge found was that Brady, and other players, were not properly notified that modifying the air pressure in the footballs, having someone else modify the air pressure in the footballs, or knowing that someone was modifying the air pressure in the footballs would be against the rules and Brady and other players were not notified that if they broke the rules that you could be punished by a multi-game fine. Let's not try to paint this any other way, Brady won because of procedure - the NFL needs to define a transgression and then stipulate what the penalty for the transgression would be before a player commits the transgression. Brady won because the NFL never thought to make a rule that players can't somehow be involved in letting the air out of balls and because the NFL never said that you could be suspended for doing it.

Brady's like the Ryan Braun of the NFL, the first time Braun cheated but then successfully threw the Fed EX guy under the bus on a technicality. Everyone knew/knows he cheated, but he got off anyway.

"Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?" defense.

You're still skipping some key points...
This judge was hand picked by the NFL / This was their selected court venue
So what does that say about the NFL's case..?

and he found overwhelmingly that the NFL proceeded with what amounts to a Kangaroo Court
Were it handled fairly by the NFL and honestly by both sides we do not know what the results would be
Likely a fine and a policy change in football pregame handling - the end

The NFL screwed this and has NOBODY to blame but themselves
They have now cast suspicion and lack of credibility on THEMSELVES
and let Brady slip by because they too are corrupt and in the end they shot themselves in the foot
made a HUGE deal out of something they should have handled
like they handled every other equipment violation

Chizzang wrote:You're still skipping some key points...
This judge was hand picked by the NFL / This was their selected court venue
So what does that say about the NFL's case..?

and he found overwhelmingly that the NFL proceeded with what amounts to a Kangaroo Court
Were it handled fairly by the NFL and honestly by both sides we do not know what the results would be
Likely a fine and a policy change in football pregame handling - the end

The NFL screwed this and has NOBODY to blame but themselves
They have now cast suspicion and lack of credibility on THEMSELVES
and let Brady slip by because they too are corrupt and in the end they shot themselves in the foot
made a HUGE deal out of something they should have handled
like they handled every other equipment violation

The Court was picked by the NFL, not the Judge. Big difference.

tribe_pride wrote:

Chizzang wrote:You're still skipping some key points...
This judge was hand picked by the NFL / This was their selected court venue
So what does that say about the NFL's case..?

and he found overwhelmingly that the NFL proceeded with what amounts to a Kangaroo Court
Were it handled fairly by the NFL and honestly by both sides we do not know what the results would be
Likely a fine and a policy change in football pregame handling - the end

The NFL screwed this and has NOBODY to blame but themselves
They have now cast suspicion and lack of credibility on THEMSELVES
and let Brady slip by because they too are corrupt and in the end they shot themselves in the foot
made a HUGE deal out of something they should have handled
like they handled every other equipment violation

The Court was picked by the NFL, not the Judge. Big difference.

Okay

Chizzang wrote:You're still skipping some key points...
This judge was hand picked by the NFL / This was their selected court venue
So what does that say about the NFL's case..?

and he found overwhelmingly that the NFL proceeded with what amounts to a Kangaroo Court
Were it handled fairly by the NFL and honestly by both sides we do not know what the results would be
Likely a fine and a policy change in football pregame handling - the end

The NFL screwed this and has NOBODY to blame but themselves
They have now cast suspicion and lack of credibility on THEMSELVES
and let Brady slip by because they too are corrupt and in the end they shot themselves in the foot
made a HUGE deal out of something they should have handled
like they handled every other equipment violation

I agree, the punishment should've been far less - the CBA was clear in that regard. Doesn't minimize the fact that Brady cheated, though.