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A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:21 am
by Chizzang
What do head coaches do exactly..?
How can we as fans of a sport evaluate the performance of a head coach..? (over time)
Coaches:
at the day to day player level
+ Evaluate talent
+ Draft talent
+ Develop talent
+ Work positively with the different personalities they have assembled
Coaches:
At the Organization level
+ Develop an organizational wide Football System
+ Create a Team Identity through that system
+ Develop Coaching staff through system
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:55 am
by CAA Flagship
You're talking to yourself again.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:03 am
by bluehenbillk
You realize now after last night the L.A. Rams haven't scored since Xmas Eve 1994....
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:13 am
by Chizzang
CAA Flagship wrote:You're talking to yourself again.
Indeed,
I am muttering in the corner over this clown
He drafts poorly on the offensive side of the ball
He develops talent poorly
His system is hap hazard or in some areas nonexistent
His staff is a revolving door

Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:43 am
by Grizalltheway
I was thinking I agreed with your 15-20% assessment...and then I saw the Rams play. There's no way they're only 20% worse than the best team in the NFL.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:35 am
by CAA Flagship
Chizzang wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:You're talking to yourself again.
Indeed,
I am muttering in the corner over this clown
He drafts poorly on the offensive side of the ball
He develops talent poorly
His system is hap hazard or in some areas nonexistent
His staff is a revolving door

Not really. Bradford was not a bad pick. He just couldn't stay healthy. Austin and Gurley were good picks.
He just can't coach offense. Or can't find an OC who can.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:37 am
by Chizzang
Grizalltheway wrote:I was thinking I agreed with your 15-20% assessment...and then I saw the Rams play. There's no way they're only 20% worse than the best team in the NFL.
This ^ is kinda like the "There's no such thing as" climate change... it was 72 degrees today"
But over a 16 game season
These things work themselves out
and as far as Pure Talent Evaluation the Rams have plenty of talent

Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:46 am
by Chizzang
CAA Flagship wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Indeed,
I am muttering in the corner over this clown
He drafts poorly on the offensive side of the ball
He develops talent poorly
His system is hap hazard or in some areas nonexistent
His staff is a revolving door

Not really. Bradford was not a bad pick. He just couldn't stay healthy. Austin and Gurley were good picks.
He just can't coach offense. Or can't find an OC who can.
I don't disagree with ^ that
But to call him inconsistent in the draft - would be a compliment
And wouldn't you say that "offense" is a HUGE part of the NFL
So you're kind of making my point for me (Thank you)
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:56 am
by bandl
CAA Flagship wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Indeed,
I am muttering in the corner over this clown
He drafts poorly on the offensive side of the ball
He develops talent poorly
His system is hap hazard or in some areas nonexistent
His staff is a revolving door

Not really. Bradford was not a bad pick. He just couldn't stay healthy.
Didn't he have two broken knees at Oklahoma before he got drafted? I seem to recall people questioning why anyone would take him so high considering the obviously high chance of injury...(their point proven since then)
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:52 am
by CitadelGrad
Chizzang wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:I was thinking I agreed with your 15-20% assessment...and then I saw the Rams play. There's no way they're only 20% worse than the best team in the NFL.
This ^ is kinda like the "There's no such thing as" climate change... it was 72 degrees today"
But over a 16 game season
These things work themselves out
and as far as Pure Talent Evaluation the Rams have plenty of talent

It isn't exactly a one-game sample. Nothing has changed since last season except location. The personnel are largely the same.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:31 am
by Chizzang
CitadelGrad wrote:Chizzang wrote:
This ^ is kinda like the "There's no such thing as" climate change... it was 72 degrees today"
But over a 16 game season
These things work themselves out
and as far as Pure Talent Evaluation the Rams have plenty of talent

It isn't exactly a one-game sample. Nothing has changed since last season except location. The personnel are largely the same.
Hardly ^
They lost Jenkins their no. 2 corner (to a HUGE contract)
They lost 1 starting defensive linemen
and 1 starting defensive end
They lost 1 starting linebacker
all signed by other teams
They have a new quarterback
and a new starting tight end
a new left tackle
and new right guard

Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:18 pm
by CAA Flagship
Chizzang wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:
It isn't exactly a one-game sample. Nothing has changed since last season except location. The personnel are largely the same.
Hardly ^
They lost Jenkins their no. 2 corner (to a HUGE contract)
They lost 1 starting defensive linemen
and 1 starting defensive end
They lost 1 starting linebacker
all signed by other teams
They have a new quarterback
and a new starting tight end
a new left tackle
and
new right guard


Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:21 pm
by Chizzang
oh and I forgot they also lost their starting Free Safety - McLeod

Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:54 pm
by dal4018
CAA Flagship wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Indeed,
I am muttering in the corner over this clown
He drafts poorly on the offensive side of the ball
He develops talent poorly
His system is hap hazard or in some areas nonexistent
His staff is a revolving door

Not really. Bradford was not a bad pick. He just couldn't stay healthy. Austin and Gurley were good picks.
He just can't coach offense. Or can't find an OC who can.
He should hire Mike Martz!!!!
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:22 pm
by SuperHornet
They already have a great offensive mind on the staff. Of course, he's not actually coaching offense. He's coaching special teams....
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:20 pm
by kalm
If only they could play the Hawks every week.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:14 pm
by Grizalltheway
Seahawks suck. One TD in two games?
Yes I know the Colts suck too.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:48 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
But the Rams have a rookie QB that wont be in the league in 2 years............that has to count for something.
How they didnt pick Wentz is beyond anyone in the NFL
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:24 am
by Chizzang
The Seahawks were 2 and 2 last season...
They tend to start very slow

Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:30 am
by SDHornet
Chizzang wrote:The Seahawks were 2 and 2 last season...
They tend to start very slow

They also had an OL last season...so there's that. Heard on the radio this morning that Seattle pays the lowest of their salary cap to the OL...and is a whopping 51% less than the next closest team.

Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:22 am
by GannonFan
SDHornet wrote:Chizzang wrote:The Seahawks were 2 and 2 last season...
They tend to start very slow

They also had an OL last season...so there's that. Heard on the radio this morning that Seattle pays the lowest of their salary cap to the OL...and is a whopping 51% less than the next closest team.

That Jimmy Graham trade is still hurting them.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:42 am
by Chizzang
Agreed,
The Jimmy Graham trade was absolutely terrible - at best he's a large slow wide out with above average hands
and at his worst he's a BAD blocking undisciplined tight end with below average rout skills
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:50 am
by bandl
I like this topic...
How long can Chuck Pagano last at Indy? It seems like the excuse with that team is "He's got a great QB, but no defense and no running back and Chuck had cancer". Yeah well, it's been 4 years since he had cancer (did you know? Not sure if that's ever been mentioned before) and his defense has gotten worse every year...he hasn't had a running back break 100 yards in something like 51 games (I believe I heard that stat on Sunday? Correct me if I'm wrong). I get that coaches inherit bad teams. But his team is well beyond the point of inheritance.
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:31 am
by Chizzang
bandl wrote:I like this topic...
How long can Chuck Pagano last at Indy? It seems like the excuse with that team is "He's got a great QB, but no defense and no running back and Chuck had cancer". Yeah well, it's been 4 years since he had cancer (did you know? Not sure if that's ever been mentioned before) and his defense has gotten worse every year...he hasn't had a running back break 100 yards in something like 51 games (I believe I heard that stat on Sunday? Correct me if I'm wrong). I get that coaches inherit bad teams. But his team is well beyond the point of inheritance.
I was just talking with my brother about this...
Why Luck would sign his life away to the COLTS drug addled owner and mediocre coach is amazing
Were I Andrew Luck (and I'm not) I would have played out my contract and had the pick of the litter
Teams that would have sold their soul for Luck on the open market
Denver
Dallas
Dolphins
Bills
Rams
Redskins
and probably more
Re: A decade with Jeff Fisher...
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:43 pm
by kalm
3-1 already with wins over Seattle and Arizona.