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QB Alex Smith has taken the Chiefs as far as he can...
He just can't make the long throws to back the defense off the line of scrimmage, effectively killing their running game. Defensive safeties can now linger 12 yards off the line and no wide out needs to be double covered more than 20 yards down field... Alex Smith offers no deep threat

It's time:
Adding a more dynamic quarterback, given the influx of speed and play makers they have injected on offense the past 24 months, it's time to find a more profound option at quarterback...

Chizzang wrote:it's time to find a more profound option at quarterback...

Should be easy. There is such a glut of quality QB's around. When a guy like Brock Osweiler can garner $72,000,000 it must be easy to find one.

Harbaugh made Smith a good NFL QB, but you can't teach everything, some if comes down to skills.

89Hen wrote:

Chizzang wrote:it's time to find a more profound option at quarterback...

Should be easy. There is such a glut of quality QB's around. When a guy like Brock Osweiler can garner $72,000,000 it must be easy to find one.

They need to draft a QB
They won't because I'm pretty sure Andy Reid doesn't see it that way... But Alex Smith has hit his glass ceiling

Chizzang wrote:

89Hen wrote: Should be easy. There is such a glut of quality QB's around. When a guy like Brock Osweiler can garner $72,000,000 it must be easy to find one.

They need to draft a QB
They won't because I'm pretty sure Andy Reid doesn't see it that way... But Alex Smith has hit his glass ceiling

Who do they draft? They're at #27 in the first round so the top 3 QB's will be gone. Suppose they could draft one in the later rounds but to think that QB is going to be able to beat out Alex Smith in this off-season is pretty optimistic.

GannonFan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
They need to draft a QB
They won't because I'm pretty sure Andy Reid doesn't see it that way... But Alex Smith has hit his glass ceiling

Who do they draft? They're at #27 in the first round so the top 3 QB's will be gone. Suppose they could draft one in the later rounds but to think that QB is going to be able to beat out Alex Smith in this off-season is pretty optimistic.

Yeah, I don't think a Patrick Mahomes is the answer for KC.

89Hen wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Who do they draft? They're at #27 in the first round so the top 3 QB's will be gone. Suppose they could draft one in the later rounds but to think that QB is going to be able to beat out Alex Smith in this off-season is pretty optimistic.

Yeah, I don't think a Patrick Mahomes is the answer for KC.

I hope you're being sarcastic here. Mahomes would run circles (literally and figuratively) around Alex Smith.

AZGrizFan wrote:

89Hen wrote: Yeah, I don't think a Patrick Mahomes is the answer for KC.

I hope you're being sarcastic here. Mahomes would run circles (literally and figuratively) around Alex Smith.

So would Usain Bolt.

89Hen wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
I hope you're being sarcastic here. Mahomes would run circles (literally and figuratively) around Alex Smith.

So would Usain Bolt.

Your point? Still can't tell if you're being serious about Mahomes or not. He would be a huge upgrade at QB for KC....

AZGrizFan wrote:

89Hen wrote: So would Usain Bolt.

Your point? Still can't tell if you're being serious about Mahomes or not. He would be a huge upgrade at QB for KC....

You don't know that. There are busts every single year. You're a little too close to be impartial on him.

Here's what I think I know...
Not drafting a QB is going to leave KC exactly where they are right now

Almost every year there's a surprise QB in the draft
4 years ago Russell Wilson 3rd round
3 years ago Derek Carr 2nd round Fresno FUCKING state
2 years ago Dak Presscott

Joe Flacco / Jimmy Goropolo / there's 2nd teir guys all over the place that could beat out Alex Smith

Chizzang wrote:Here's what I think I know...
Not drafting a QB is going to leave KC exactly where they are right now

Almost every year there's a surprise QB in the draft

There are, and that's why you draft one if you think you may need one. But then look at the poor Browns.

1999 - Tim Couch
2000 - Spergon Wynn
2004 - Luke McCown
2005 - Charlie Frye
2007 - Brady Quinn
2010 - Colt McCoy
2012 - Brandon Weedon
2014 - Johnny Manziel
2016 - Cody Kessler

89Hen wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Here's what I think I know...
Not drafting a QB is going to leave KC exactly where they are right now

Almost every year there's a surprise QB in the draft

There are, and that's why you draft one if you think you may need one. But then look at the poor Browns.

1999 - Tim Couch
2000 - Spergon Wynn
2004 - Luke McCown
2005 - Charlie Frye
2007 - Brady Quinn
2010 - Colt McCoy
2012 - Brandon Weedon
2014 - Johnny Manziel
2016 - Cody Kessler

The Patriots draft a QB almost every year...
Why do you think that is..?

Chizzang wrote:

89Hen wrote: There are, and that's why you draft one if you think you may need one. But then look at the poor Browns.

1999 - Tim Couch
2000 - Spergon Wynn
2004 - Luke McCown
2005 - Charlie Frye
2007 - Brady Quinn
2010 - Colt McCoy
2012 - Brandon Weedon
2014 - Johnny Manziel
2016 - Cody Kessler

The Patriots draft a QB almost every year...
Why do you think that is..?

I agreed that you draft a QB. What I was pointing out is that teams whiff all the time on QB's. Just drafting one in no way means you'll be OK at the QB spot. Shit, look at the Redskins for the last 20 years. Kirk Cousins is the best QB they've had in a long time.

BTW, the Pats average one QB every two years in the draft.

89Hen wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
The Patriots draft a QB almost every year...
Why do you think that is..?

I agreed that you draft a QB. What I was pointing out is that teams whiff all the time on QB's. Just drafting one in no way means you'll be OK at the QB spot. Shit, look at the Redskins for the last 20 years. Kirk Cousins is the best QB they've had in a long time.

BTW, the Pats average one QB every two years in the draft.

My point is:
You draft one every two years - need one or not
Something Andy Reed does not understand at all

89Hen wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Your point? Still can't tell if you're being serious about Mahomes or not. He would be a huge upgrade at QB for KC....

You don't know that. There are busts every single year. You're a little too close to be impartial on him.

Yes, there are busts every single year. I've watched two years of Tech football. Enough to know that Mahomes will be just fine in the NFL. Juuuuust fine. How much Mahomes film have you watched?

Chizzang wrote:

89Hen wrote: I agreed that you draft a QB. What I was pointing out is that teams whiff all the time on QB's. Just drafting one in no way means you'll be OK at the QB spot. ****, look at the Redskins for the last 20 years. Kirk Cousins is the best QB they've had in a long time.

BTW, the Pats average one QB every two years in the draft.

My point is:
You draft one every two years - need one or not
Something Andy Reed does not understand at all

Which is kind of interesting considering Reid's experience under Holmgren in Green Bay. They picked up Farve in a trade and drafted 6 QBs in 7 years including Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck.

Late first round can be a great time to grab a QB. Lower costs and pressure than a top 10/20 pick and the team still has the option on the 5th year so you have a little longer to develop them. You'll sometimes see teams trade up into the late 1st round to take a 2nd round QB because of that.

The Chiefs haven't drafted a franchise QB since 'Nam. Why would they start now?


Romo to KC?

UNI88 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
My point is:
You draft one every two years - need one or not
Something Andy Reed does not understand at all

Which is kind of interesting considering Reid's experience under Holmgren in Green Bay. They picked up Farve in a trade and drafted 6 QBs in 7 years including Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck.

Late first round can be a great time to grab a QB. Lower costs and pressure than a top 10/20 pick and the team still has the option on the 5th year so you have a little longer to develop them. You'll sometimes see teams trade up into the late 1st round to take a 2nd round QB because of that.

This ^ is something I hadn't considered...
Reid comes from the school of "Draft a QB" even when you don't think you need one



Inexcusable on his part

It's not just about quarterbacks with the Chiefs. They've had a couple really good TEs over the years, but is there a franchise with a worse platoon of WRs over the last 3 decades than Kansas City?

If you take out Gonzalez, their all-time leading receiver is Otis Taylor. He retired 41 years ago.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:It's not just about quarterbacks with the Chiefs. They've had a couple really good TEs over the years, but is there a franchise with a worse platoon of WRs over the last 3 decades than Kansas City?

If you take out Gonzalez, their all-time leading receiver is Otis Taylor. He retired 41 years ago.

And Gonzalez wasn't even technically a receiver.

I think it was last year when they didn't have a receiver catch a TD until week 17?

As a Chief's fan ...

Vidav wrote:Romo to KC?

I hope not. He's so fragile his bones might break with the crowd noise at Arrowhead.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:It's not just about quarterbacks with the Chiefs. They've had a couple really good TEs over the years, but is there a franchise with a worse platoon of WRs over the last 3 decades than Kansas City?

If you take out Gonzalez, their all-time leading receiver is Otis Taylor. He retired 41 years ago.

Frustratingly true. I was a huge Otis Taylor fan growing up.

Chizzang wrote:

UNI88 wrote:
Which is kind of interesting considering Reid's experience under Holmgren in Green Bay. They picked up Favre in a trade and drafted 6 QBs in 7 years including Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck.

This ^ is something I hadn't considered...
Reid comes from the school of "Draft a QB" even when you don't think you need one

Inexcusable on his part

Reid definitely has his warts (can't win the big one, a little too loyal to his players like Alex Smith, etc.) but he beats what the Chiefs had recently (only successful coaches since Stram have been Schottenheimer and Vermeil). Which brings up a question - would you rather be tantalizingly close but not able to get over the hump (a la Reid) or mired in mediocrity (a la Crennel, Haley, Edwards, etc.)?

Reid has been coach since 2013 and drafted 2 quarterbacks.

2014 Aaron Murray Georgia, released 9/3/2016, Eagles practice squad
2016 Kevin Hogan Stanford, released 9/3/2016, Backup for Browns

Mel Kiper is saying they will draft a QB this year

Gil Dobie wrote:Reid has been coach since 2013 and drafted 2 quarterbacks.

2014 Aaron Murray Georgia, released 9/3/2016, Eagles practice squad
2016 Kevin Hogan Stanford, released 9/3/2016, Backup for Browns

Mel Kiper is saying they will draft a QB this year

So two years out of three so far? Doesn't seem like that's never Cleets.

AZGrizFan wrote:

89Hen wrote: You don't know that. There are busts every single year. You're a little too close to be impartial on him.

Yes, there are busts every single year. I've watched two years of Tech football. Enough to know that Mahomes will be just fine in the NFL. Juuuuust fine. How much Mahomes film have you watched?

Maybe the experts should just listen to you.