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NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Chizzang » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:11 pm

I'm sorry I thought this was the United States of America...
How could it be possible that NASCAR TV ratings are dropping..?

Perhaps President Trump can fill us in on why
Did somebody disrespect the Flag..?

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby CID1990 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:50 pm

This one has been in the mail for a long time-

NASCAR made a concerted effort 25 years ago to distance itself from its southern bootlegger roots- and in the process it alienated its base a good while back. Nobody noticed because nobody cared what the Appalachians thought

For a while NASCAR began to draw the coastal and western middle-upper class fans, but that is a fickle crowd- they'd as soon watch F1 or Indy

The key to look at isn't why the southern base abandoned NASCAR (because that already happened)

NASCAR should look at why theyre losing the younger, higher class fans they drew in in the last 25 years


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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby 93henfan » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:19 pm

We've gone over this ad nauseam for years. CID captured much of it.

The elephant in the room though is the Earnhardt family tree. Dale Sr was NASCAR, but he died in Feb 2001. His son was supposed to pick up the baton and run with it, but his career was a miserable flop, and now he's retired as a championship-contending driver (as of last Sunday). I would estimate that nearly 50% of all NASCAR fans are Dale Jr fans. He missed a large part of last season with a concussion and failed to win a race or make the playoffs this year. That kills ratings, especially for the playoffs, which are nearly 30% of the schedule.

Meanwhile, NASCAR has thrown every gimmick they can think of into the points system, race format, and playoff format to the point that it has cheapened the whole thing tremendously. Honestly, one of the draws for me to F1 is that they still run a true championship. No gimmicky playoff bullshit. The guy who runs the best all year is champion. That only happens maybe 20% of the time in NASCAR.

Cue 89 to come in and say he told us all so, even though we had already been saying all of this over and over. Then he'll cherry-pick some old quotes to twist what was said.

NASCAR right now is in great financial shape because of very fortuitous long-term TV deals they've signed with NBC and Fox. When those run out (Fox after 2020 and NBC after 2023), they have a rude reckoning coming.
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby kalm » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:32 pm

CID1990 wrote:This one has been in the mail for a long time-

NASCAR made a concerted effort 25 years ago to distance itself from its southern bootlegger roots- and in the process it alienated its base a good while back. Nobody noticed because nobody cared what the Appalachians thought

For a while NASCAR began to draw the coastal and western middle-upper class fans, but that is a fickle crowd- they'd as soon watch F1 or Indy

The key to look at isn't why the southern base abandoned NASCAR (because that already happened)

NASCAR should look at why theyre losing the younger, higher class fans they drew in in the last 25 years


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Wait...you're saying NASCAR is losing the higher class fans?

Hmmmm!
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Chizzang » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:41 pm

kalm wrote:
Wait...you're saying NASCAR is losing the higher class fans?

Hmmmm!


You heard the man
Those uppity white people are fickle

It couldn't possibly be because driving around in circles
has an expiration date on how interesting it is
But that's just me... I'm sure it's nuanced as hell

Also I think the Commander and Chief could shed some light on this
his observations on TV ratings are deeply insightful


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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Jjoey52 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:03 pm

Haters gotta hate.


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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby 93henfan » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:51 am

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby kalm » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:15 am

Jjoey52 wrote:Haters gotta hate.


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I don't hate NASCAR. I've actually been to the race in Vegas. It was really exciting with the flyover and build up to the start. Then everyone puts on their headphones to figure out whose actually in the lead. Haven't seen that much dyed leather since Grizo showed me his Air Jordan collection.
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby CID1990 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:55 am

Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Wait...you're saying NASCAR is losing the higher class fans?

Hmmmm!


You heard the man
Those uppity white people are fickle

It couldn't possibly be because driving around in circles
has an expiration date on how interesting it is
But that's just me... I'm sure it's nuanced as hell

Also I think the Commander and Chief could shed some light on this
his observations on TV ratings are deeply insightful


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Well by trying to be a smug prick you actually answered the question

NASCAR has a shelf life outside of its traditional base

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby 89Hen » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:45 am

93henfan wrote:Cue 89 to come in and say he told us all so, even though we had already been saying all of this over and over. Then he'll cherry-pick some old quotes to twist what was said.

No different than you twisting what I said.
CID1990 wrote:NASCAR should look at why theyre losing the younger, higher class fans they drew in in the last 25 years

This was my point that you didn't like. I said they lost me and you basically replied with a "who cares?".
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Chizzang » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:10 pm

93henfan wrote:Commander *In Chief


I should actually know that since I grew up with a Military father...

:ohno:

The Col would be very disappointed in me right now

Also:
I've been to the Texas Motor Speedway a few times
Not sure what NASCAR racing "event" it was exactly but I was infatuated with a girl from Fort Worth
and I would basically have followed her through the gates of hell

:nod:

So I went to NASCAR things and drank beer out of tin cans and pretended to be interested
She was spectacular
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Jjoey52 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:13 pm

kalm wrote:
Jjoey52 wrote:Haters gotta hate.


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I don't hate NASCAR. I've actually been to the race in Vegas. It was really exciting with the flyover and build up to the start. Then everyone puts on their headphones to figure out whose actually in the lead. Haven't seen that much dyed leather since Grizo showed me his Air Jordan collection.


Wasn’t referring to you or NASCAR, was replying to Chizzang and his bitterness of the election. NASCAR is okay, I just do not care for it.


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Postby SuperHornet » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:53 pm

I'm probably not going to watch much NASCAR next season...outside of the Daytona 500. If you don't already know why, you haven't been paying attention....
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby 93henfan » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:28 pm

Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote:Commander *In Chief


I should actually know that since I grew up with a Military father...

:ohno:

The Col would be very disappointed in me right now

Also:
I've been to the Texas Motor Speedway a few times
Not sure what NASCAR racing "event" it was exactly but I was infatuated with a girl from Fort Worth
and I would basically have followed her through the gates of hell

:nod:

So I went to NASCAR things and drank beer out of tin cans and pretended to be interested
She was spectacular


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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Grizalltheway » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:28 pm

Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote:Commander *In Chief


I should actually know that since I grew up with a Military father...

:ohno:

The Col would be very disappointed in me right now

Also:
I've been to the Texas Motor Speedway a few times
Not sure what NASCAR racing "event" it was exactly but I was infatuated with a girl from Fort Worth
and I would basically have followed her through the gates of hell

:nod:

So I went to NASCAR things and drank beer out of tin cans and pretended to be interested
She was spectacular

It's actually Cheeto in Chief. Just for the record.

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby AshevilleApp » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:48 pm

The Wilkesboro track was cool.

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Postby 93henfan » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:52 pm

AshevilleApp wrote:The Wilkesboro track was cool.


Exhibit A of what is wrong with NASCAR. They mothballed that place in favor of New Hampshire. :puke:

NASCAR would go a long way toward restoring the sport if they reopened N Wilkesboro and Rockingham and shut down any number of the 1.5 mile tracks that put people to sleep.
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby BDKJMU » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:24 pm

Chizzang wrote:I'm sorry I thought this was the United States of America...
How could it be possible that NASCAR TV ratings are dropping..?

Perhaps President Trump can fill us in on why
Did somebody disrespect the Flag..?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... versy.html

http://awfulannouncing.com/racing/nasca ... -ever.html


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Did you hear. Donald Trump won the election and is POTUS! :shock:

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby BDKJMU » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:28 pm

93henfan wrote:We've gone over this ad nauseam for years. CID captured much of it.

The elephant in the room though is the Earnhardt family tree. Dale Sr was NASCAR, but he died in Feb 2001. His son was supposed to pick up the baton and run with it, but his career was a miserable flop, and now he's retired as a championship-contending driver (as of last Sunday). I would estimate that nearly 50% of all NASCAR fans are Dale Jr fans. He missed a large part of last season with a concussion and failed to win a race or make the playoffs this year. That kills ratings, especially for the playoffs, which are nearly 30% of the schedule.

Meanwhile, NASCAR has thrown every gimmick they can think of into the points system, race format, and playoff format to the point that it has cheapened the whole thing tremendously. Honestly, one of the draws for me to F1 is that they still run a true championship. No gimmicky playoff bullshit. The guy who runs the best all year is champion. That only happens maybe 20% of the time in NASCAR.

Cue 89 to come in and say he told us all so, even though we had already been saying all of this over and over. Then he'll cherry-pick some old quotes to twist what was said.

NASCAR right now is in great financial shape because of very fortuitous long-term TV deals they've signed with NBC and Fox. When those run out (Fox after 2020 and NBC after 2023), they have a rude reckoning coming.


Yep. We talked about it extensively in this year’s NASCAR thread, and last years, and the year before, and the year before...

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby Chizzang » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:33 am

BDKJMU wrote:
93henfan wrote:We've gone over this ad nauseam for years. CID captured much of it.

The elephant in the room though is the Earnhardt family tree. Dale Sr was NASCAR, but he died in Feb 2001. His son was supposed to pick up the baton and run with it, but his career was a miserable flop, and now he's retired as a championship-contending driver (as of last Sunday). I would estimate that nearly 50% of all NASCAR fans are Dale Jr fans. He missed a large part of last season with a concussion and failed to win a race or make the playoffs this year. That kills ratings, especially for the playoffs, which are nearly 30% of the schedule.

Meanwhile, NASCAR has thrown every gimmick they can think of into the points system, race format, and playoff format to the point that it has cheapened the whole thing tremendously. Honestly, one of the draws for me to F1 is that they still run a true championship. No gimmicky playoff bullshit. The guy who runs the best all year is champion. That only happens maybe 20% of the time in NASCAR.

Cue 89 to come in and say he told us all so, even though we had already been saying all of this over and over. Then he'll cherry-pick some old quotes to twist what was said.

NASCAR right now is in great financial shape because of very fortuitous long-term TV deals they've signed with NBC and Fox. When those run out (Fox after 2020 and NBC after 2023), they have a rude reckoning coming.


Yep. We talked about it extensively in this year’s NASCAR thread, and last years, and the year before, and the year before...



Do you remember gloating about the NFL's television rating declining...

Ultimately each SPORT will have to market directly to their clientele outside of cable offerings
Because Cable TV providers are losing subscribers pretty quickly

and looming Net Neutrality nonsense ain't helping cable companies grow subs

In 5 years
Each sport will have to offer seasonal streaming packages just like HBO
the projected dollars and numbers are fascinating

MLB seasonal package looks like $119 Regular season
$149 including playoffs and WS

NFL seasonal package $159
$29 playoffs
$19 Superbowl

Hockey seasonal package $89
Playoffs and Stanley $29

NBA seasonal package $109
Playoffs and finals $29

Tennis Season (Australian Open thu Wimbledon to US open) $99

ESPN is considering offering a full NCAA Division one Football season deal
This would look something like all top 25 games plus your favorite team for $179

NCAA Football playoffs $49

Remember all Cable contracts have to Expire first
Including Comcast / Time Warner and Verizon as well as Direct TV

The first available moment for any of this to happen in 2020
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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby bandl » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:45 am

You know what's more enjoyable to watch than NASCAR?
Darts.
Seriously. Check it out on Eleven Sports.

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Postby Chizzang » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:25 pm

This I would watch.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby BDKJMU » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:25 pm

SuperHornet wrote:I'm probably not going to watch much NASCAR next season...outside of the Daytona 500. If you don't already know why, you haven't been paying attention....

Because 0 for 252 in NASCAR won't be racing?

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Postby BDKJMU » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:30 pm

93henfan wrote:
AshevilleApp wrote:The Wilkesboro track was cool.


Exhibit A of what is wrong with NASCAR. They mothballed that place in favor of New Hampshire. :puke:

NASCAR would go a long way toward restoring the sport if they reopened N Wilkesboro and Rockingham and shut down any number of the 1.5 mile tracks that put people to sleep.

Loudon isn't that bad, being a 1 mile track..

Agreed on reopening N Wilkesboro & Rockingham in place of a couple of the cookie cutter 1.5 mile tracks..

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Re: NASCAR television ratings dropping...

Postby SuperHornet » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:23 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:I'm probably not going to watch much NASCAR next season...outside of the Daytona 500. If you don't already know why, you haven't been paying attention....

Because 0 for 252 in NASCAR won't be racing?


You say that like she's the only one to have issues in NASCAR. And she DOES have an IRL win to her credit....

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