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Congrats to Valde, Thome, Chipper and Hoffman. Top 20 vote getters listed below.

1 Chipper Jones 1st
2 Vladimir Guerrero 2nd
3 Jim Thome 1st
4 Trevor Hoffman 3rd
5 Edgar Martinez 9th
6 Mike Mussina 5th
7 Roger Clemens 6th
8 Barry Bonds 6th
9 Curt Schilling 6th
10 Omar Vizquel 1st
11 Larry Walker 8th
12 Fred McGriff 9th
13 Manny Ramirez 2nd
14 Jeff Kent 5th
15 Gary Sheffield 4th
16 Billy Wagner 3rd
17 Scott Rolen 1st
18 Sammy Sosa 6th
19 Andruw Jones 1st
20 X-Johan Santana 1st

Interesting note, Babe Ruth pitched 1221.1 innings, Trevor Hoffman 1089.1 innings.

I could see Martinez, Mussina, and Schilling, from the rest on this list, getting into the Hall in future years. Maybe Vizquel. I'm fine with the others not making it, especially the two PED users.

GannonFan wrote:I could see Martinez, Mussina, and Schilling, from the rest on this list, getting into the Hall in future years. Maybe Vizquel. I'm fine with the others not making it, especially the two PED users.

Larry Walker is often over-looked because of his Colorado Stats. 3 time batting champ, .313 lifetime average is pretty good. Like most non-roid players, his stats dropped after age 35.

Gil Dobie wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I could see Martinez, Mussina, and Schilling, from the rest on this list, getting into the Hall in future years. Maybe Vizquel. I'm fine with the others not making it, especially the two PED users.

Larry Walker is often over-looked because of his Colorado Stats. 3 time batting champ, .313 lifetime average is pretty good. Like most non-roid players, his stats dropped after age 35.

I always liked Walker, but I do overlook him because of the Colorado thing.

Balco Barry and Misremembering Clemens are still on the outside looking in.

Gil Dobie wrote:Balco Barry and Misremembering Clemens are still on the outside looking in.

As they should be - it will be a dark day if they ever get voted in. Glad to see their percentages slowing down. Morgan should give a speech every year until their years have expired.

As a Phillie fan, I still hate Chipper Jones.

Where in the heck is Hershiser?!?

SuperHornet wrote:Where in the heck is Hershiser?!?

He wasn't eligible this year.

Ivytalk wrote:As a Phillie fan, I still hate Chipper Jones.

Gil Dobie wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:Where in the heck is Hershiser?!?

He wasn't eligible this year.

Hershieser is considered part of the "Today's Game" grouping, while this year they were looking at "Modern Era" guys and I think you had to stop playing by the late 80's for that criteria.

Ivytalk wrote:As a Phillie fan, I still hate Chipper Jones.

I must not be remembering, what did he do to Phillie?



I'm a Braves fan - him, Justice, Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux were gods when I was growing up.

Ibanez wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:As a Phillie fan, I still hate Chipper Jones.

I must not be remembering, what did he do to Phillie?



I'm a Braves fan - him, Justice, Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux were gods when I was growing up.

I don't get the Chipper Jones hate from a Phillies perspective. We (the Phillies) weren't good for most of his career so it mattered little what he did when playing against us. We were good in '93 and then started to be good again by '05 or '06. The Braves were good during the 90's and early '00's but faded and weren't a factor once the Phillies got good. Like two ships passing in the night.

GannonFan wrote:

Ibanez wrote: I must not be remembering, what did he do to Phillie?



I'm a Braves fan - him, Justice, Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux were gods when I was growing up.

I don't get the Chipper Jones hate from a Phillies perspective. We (the Phillies) weren't good for most of his career so it mattered little what he did when playing against us. We were good in '93 and then started to be good again by '05 or '06. The Braves were good during the 90's and early '00's but faded and weren't a factor once the Phillies got good. Like two ships passing in the night.

Exactly.
The two teams were the NL East champs on an off for a long time...but the hate between the Braves and Mets is so much deeper. I don't really consider any hatred between ATL and Philly. That's a good rivalry for the top of the division.

Ibanez wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
I don't get the Chipper Jones hate from a Phillies perspective. We (the Phillies) weren't good for most of his career so it mattered little what he did when playing against us. We were good in '93 and then started to be good again by '05 or '06. The Braves were good during the 90's and early '00's but faded and weren't a factor once the Phillies got good. Like two ships passing in the night.

Exactly.
The two teams were the NL East champs on an off for a long time...but the hate between the Braves and Mets is so much deeper. I don't really consider any hatred between ATL and Philly. That's a good rivalry for the top of the division.

Nobody likes the Mets. And thankfully, most of the time they suck.