Re: Rugby
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:05 am
Yeah, those sellout crowds are embarrassing for the NFL.polsongrizz wrote:Oh, and finally the fucking nfl will stop its embarrassing forays into Europe.
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Yeah, those sellout crowds are embarrassing for the NFL.polsongrizz wrote:Oh, and finally the fucking nfl will stop its embarrassing forays into Europe.
Yeah, that happens 1-2 times. Show me those same crowds in the games after they started some lame ass faux nfl system there. Oh wait, they went bankrupt every single time.89Hen wrote:Yeah, those sellout crowds are embarrassing for the NFL.polsongrizz wrote:Oh, and finally the fucking nfl will stop its embarrassing forays into Europe.
You do realize that at least 25% of EPL teams are now owned by Americans? So of course they are going to push their agenda, that being what the Brits have given a middle finger to continuously over the years, the failed nfl startup teams in Europe. The world as a whole think this version of "football" is a joke, that is a fact.GannonFan wrote:You do realize that Tottenham Hotspur is building a new, $1B plus stadium, with some of the design in place so that they can lure NFL games there? The NFL in the UK is a pretty established thing that isn't going away. There'll be a London franchise in 10 years and it will be successful. American football has adapted to safety concerns over the past 100+ years, and it will continue to do so for at least as long as we're all alive.polsongrizz wrote:Once the farce of amerikan football is kicked to the curb like the bitch it is and we go to rugby the world will be a better place.
Oh, and finally the **** nfl will stop its embarrassing forays into Europe.
BTW, was at the Vegas Sevens, the U.S. won.
Huh? Lame ass faux nfl systems don't work here either big guy. Doesn't mean the real deal isn't great. If you really think rugby will catch on here, you need to lay off the booze.polsongrizz wrote:Yeah, that happens 1-2 times. Show me those same crowds in the games after they started some lame ass faux nfl system there. Oh wait, they went bankrupt every single time.
You really think we care that ferriners like soccer, rugby and cricket?polsongrizz wrote:You do realize that at least 25% of EPL teams are now owned by Americans? So of course they are going to push their agenda, that being what the Brits have given a middle finger to continuously over the years, the failed nfl startup teams in Europe. The world as a whole think this version of "football" is a joke, that is a fact.GannonFan wrote:
You do realize that Tottenham Hotspur is building a new, $1B plus stadium, with some of the design in place so that they can lure NFL games there? The NFL in the UK is a pretty established thing that isn't going away. There'll be a London franchise in 10 years and it will be successful. American football has adapted to safety concerns over the past 100+ years, and it will continue to do so for at least as long as we're all alive.
And yet, the Brits keep showing up in large numbers over and over for NFL games. The football that you bring up that wasn't successful was the WLAF stuff - that was not even a minor league system, it was something less than. And yes, that didn't work (although it did very well in London while the other outposts not so much). But that folded more than a decade ago, and since then the NFL has been widely successful in bringing actual NFL games that matter with actual NFL players and the crowds have responded accordingly.polsongrizz wrote:You do realize that at least 25% of EPL teams are now owned by Americans? So of course they are going to push their agenda, that being what the Brits have given a middle finger to continuously over the years, the failed nfl startup teams in Europe. The world as a whole think this version of "football" is a joke, that is a fact.GannonFan wrote:
You do realize that Tottenham Hotspur is building a new, $1B plus stadium, with some of the design in place so that they can lure NFL games there? The NFL in the UK is a pretty established thing that isn't going away. There'll be a London franchise in 10 years and it will be successful. American football has adapted to safety concerns over the past 100+ years, and it will continue to do so for at least as long as we're all alive.
I don’t play soccer.93henfan wrote:Sounds half-gay. Almost like soccer, but not completely gay. Bears play rugby and twinks play soccer, amirite?
andy7171 wrote:I don’t play soccer.93henfan wrote:Sounds half-gay. Almost like soccer, but not completely gay. Bears play rugby and twinks play soccer, amirite?
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Yeah it’s that mentality (let’s just get us a couple NFL types on the US World Cup team) that keeps getting us curb stomped by the seven nations teamsandy7171 wrote:Give football players two weeks to learn Rugby and how to play. It would be a god damned slaughter on the field.
Do you really think our best athletes are being brought up as rugby players? I think the talent pool for rugby players in the US is a pretty small grouping.CID1990 wrote:Yeah it’s that mentality (let’s just get us a couple NFL types on the US World Cup team) that keeps getting us curb stomped by the seven nations teamsandy7171 wrote:Give football players two weeks to learn Rugby and how to play. It would be a god damned slaughter on the field.
Our very best can’t beat Tonga
As smart at strategery as we are
Like I said, I was talking about my experience in college. Any rugby player born and raised in the US is a slow short white former HS football player.CID1990 wrote:Yeah it’s that mentality (let’s just get us a couple NFL types on the US World Cup team) that keeps getting us curb stomped by the seven nations teamsandy7171 wrote:Give football players two weeks to learn Rugby and how to play. It would be a god damned slaughter on the field.
Our very best can’t beat Tonga
As smart at strategery as we are
Of course not - that’s not what I’m talking about. But there is a mentality that if we just throw some high talent speedsters on these teams, we can compete with South Africa or Australia.GannonFan wrote:Do you really think our best athletes are being brought up as rugby players? I think the talent pool for rugby players in the US is a pretty small grouping.CID1990 wrote:
Yeah it’s that mentality (let’s just get us a couple NFL types on the US World Cup team) that keeps getting us curb stomped by the seven nations teams
Our very best can’t beat Tonga
As smart at strategery as we are
He's not wrong here...I went to plenty of Rugby parties at JMU/UVA/Tech, etc and they always acted ('acted' being the key word) like they were crazier than anyone else. When in fact all that made them crazy was the fact that they were cool with drinking beers out of their cleats after games.andy7171 wrote:But the ones I've come into contact with a drunk pricks who piss people off to show how crazy they want you to think they are.CID1990 wrote:
Yeah it’s that mentality (let’s just get us a couple NFL types on the US World Cup team) that keeps getting us curb stomped by the seven nations teams
Our very best can’t beat Tonga
As smart at strategery as we are
I’m not disputing that all Americans who play rugby are flapping meat curtain vaginatwatsbandl wrote:He's not wrong here...I went to plenty of Rugby parties at JMU/UVA/Tech, etc and they always acted ('acted' being the key word) like they were crazier than anyone else. When in fact all that made them crazy was the fact that they were cool with drinking beers out of their cleats after games.andy7171 wrote: But the ones I've come into contact with a drunk pricks who piss people off to show how crazy they want you to think they are.
I'm not sure about there being a London franchise in 10 years. Huge crowds at 1 or 2 games a year featuring different teams doesn't necessarily translate to huge crowds at 8 games a year every year. The novelty of the game helps to increase demand. Rugby has something similar with All Blacks games at US football stadiums. Take away the novelty and the demand will drop. There still might be enough to sustain a franchise but it's not guaranteed.GannonFan wrote:And yet, the Brits keep showing up in large numbers over and over for NFL games. The football that you bring up that wasn't successful was the WLAF stuff - that was not even a minor league system, it was something less than. And yes, that didn't work (although it did very well in London while the other outposts not so much). But that folded more than a decade ago, and since then the NFL has been widely successful in bringing actual NFL games that matter with actual NFL players and the crowds have responded accordingly.polsongrizz wrote: You do realize that at least 25% of EPL teams are now owned by Americans? So of course they are going to push their agenda, that being what the Brits have given a middle finger to continuously over the years, the failed nfl startup teams in Europe. The world as a whole think this version of "football" is a joke, that is a fact.
Oh, and Tottenham is owned by Joe Lewis, a Brit, with no ties or connections to American football. But I'm sure he'll be fine with that when the NFL sells out his stadium in October when the first NFL game played there occurs. Spurs, in a successful season with Champions League games at home, hasn't sold out similarly-sized Wembley yet so far this year.
Maybe survive was too strong of a word but football and the NFL are taking a beating and it will impact future viewership even more than it is impacting current viewership. Ask anybody who is involved in Pop Warner, Bill George or other youth football leagues and clubs how their numbers compare to what they had 10-20 years ago. They're down and they're continuing to drop. Because of CTE, parents are afraid to let their children play football. There are also a lot more sports to choose from and kids (or their parents) are choosing to specialize (play 1 sport year-round). Fewer players means less talent in the future and reduced interest in the sport. A lot of kids form an attachment to sports and become fans because they played, enjoyed and understand the sport. The number of people who are going to spend Sunday afternoon and Monday evening watching NFL games is going to be a lot lower in the future.89Hen wrote:Probably notUNI88 wrote:Football is going to need to adapt to survive...
We're kinda on the same page here!CID1990 wrote:I’m not disputing that all Americans who play rugby are flapping meat curtain vaginatwatsbandl wrote: He's not wrong here...I went to plenty of Rugby parties at JMU/UVA/Tech, etc and they always acted ('acted' being the key word) like they were crazier than anyone else. When in fact all that made them crazy was the fact that they were cool with drinking beers out of their cleats after games.
Good, badnl. Don't fall into the rugby trap. You're an American.bandl wrote:We're kinda on the same page here!CID1990 wrote:
I’m not disputing that all Americans who play rugby are flapping meat curtain vaginatwats
I didn't read anything else you wrote.
I think saying that ALL Americans who play rugby are flapping meat curtain vaginatwats might be a little strong. I knew plenty of rugby players, football players and wrestlers while at UNI and all of them had a few vaginatwats on the team, rugby no more so than the other two. Rugby players as individuals and as a group did do crazier things (frequently involving public nudity) than football players and wrestlers. That might have been because they didn't have scholarships to lose. Rugby players also didn't have as many vaginatwats with a sense of entitlement because they were high school stars and on scholarship.CID1990 wrote:I’m not disputing that all Americans who play rugby are flapping meat curtain vaginatwatsbandl wrote: He's not wrong here...I went to plenty of Rugby parties at JMU/UVA/Tech, etc and they always acted ('acted' being the key word) like they were crazier than anyone else. When in fact all that made them crazy was the fact that they were cool with drinking beers out of their cleats after games.
I spent plenty of time drinking SC and NC collegiate rugby faggots under the table and then threatening to kick their asses
My only real point here is that rugby employs a little more finesse than the US iteration... there are less injuries... exponentially less brain injuries... but more soft tissue injuries, so more blood
Americans could get behind rugby but getting rid of the forward pass would be racists.....
NFL is my favorite pro sport to follow and I never played anything other than pick-up games as a kid or intramural flag in college. I have no numbers, but I'm guessing fewer kids play organized football than baseball, basketball or soccer in the US, even going back to the 70's.UNI88 wrote:Maybe survive was too strong of a word but football and the NFL are taking a beating and it will impact future viewership even more than it is impacting current viewership. Ask anybody who is involved in Pop Warner, Bill George or other youth football leagues and clubs how their numbers compare to what they had 10-20 years ago. They're down and they're continuing to drop. Because of CTE, parents are afraid to let their children play football. There are also a lot more sports to choose from and kids (or their parents) are choosing to specialize (play 1 sport year-round). Fewer players means less talent in the future and reduced interest in the sport. A lot of kids form an attachment to sports and become fans because they played, enjoyed and understand the sport. The number of people who are going to spend Sunday afternoon and Monday evening watching NFL games is going to be a lot lower in the future.89Hen wrote: Probably not
I said that "a lot of kids form an attachment to sports" not all kids. I used CTE as one of the reasons that football is losing young participants not as a reason to promote rugby as an alternative. Rugby is a violent sport and injuries are common. Reading comprehension is important.89Hen wrote:NFL is my favorite pro sport to follow and I never played anything other than pick-up games as a kid or intramural flag in college. I have no numbers, but I'm guessing fewer kids play organized football than baseball, basketball or soccer in the US, even going back to the 70's.UNI88 wrote:
Maybe survive was too strong of a word but football and the NFL are taking a beating and it will impact future viewership even more than it is impacting current viewership. Ask anybody who is involved in Pop Warner, Bill George or other youth football leagues and clubs how their numbers compare to what they had 10-20 years ago. They're down and they're continuing to drop. Because of CTE, parents are afraid to let their children play football. There are also a lot more sports to choose from and kids (or their parents) are choosing to specialize (play 1 sport year-round). Fewer players means less talent in the future and reduced interest in the sport. A lot of kids form an attachment to sports and become fans because they played, enjoyed and understand the sport. The number of people who are going to spend Sunday afternoon and Monday evening watching NFL games is going to be a lot lower in the future.
As for CTE... you're promoting rugby as an alternative? 89Jr's HS team are perennial national champs at rugby and I can't believe they actually still play with the number of concussions I've heard from parents. I'm not saying there are more concussions in rugby, but there are TONS.
My point was that it's always been that fewer kids play organized football than several other sports, but the NFL is still the king of viewership in the US.UNI88 wrote:I said that "a lot of kids form an attachment to sports" not all kids. I used CTE as one of the reasons that football is losing young participants not as a reason to promote rugby as an alternative. Rugby is a violent sport and injuries are common. Reading comprehension is important.89Hen wrote: NFL is my favorite pro sport to follow and I never played anything other than pick-up games as a kid or intramural flag in college. I have no numbers, but I'm guessing fewer kids play organized football than baseball, basketball or soccer in the US, even going back to the 70's.
As for CTE... you're promoting rugby as an alternative? 89Jr's HS team are perennial national champs at rugby and I can't believe they actually still play with the number of concussions I've heard from parents. I'm not saying there are more concussions in rugby, but there are TONS.
Rugby tackling techniques do tend to be better than traditional football techniques that's why Pete Carroll and others have adopted them and similar techniques (head's up). They're trying to stay ahead of the curve and keep the sport relevant.