How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

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How Many Phils Championships In Next 15 Seasons (2019-2033)?

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby 93henfan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:36 pm

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Yep. The franchise started in 1969.
Does that mean that Philly gets credit for Golden State's NBA championships?

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Lolwut?

No, the Warriors franchise does. Why would the Sixers? Philly only has claim to one Phila Warriors NBA Championship and one BAA championship.

You understand what a sports franchise is, no?

If you're doing the city thing, then looking at the A's for instance, they won five WS in Philly and four in Oakland. Philly can claim those five WS, but not the Phillies obviously. Different franchise.

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Postby UNI88 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:44 pm

93henfan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Does that mean that Philly gets credit for Golden State's NBA championships?

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Lolwut?

No, the Warriors franchise does. Why would the Sixers? Philly only has claim to one Phila Warriors NBA Championship and one BAA championship.

You understand what a sports franchise is, no?

If you're doing the city thing, then looking at the A's for instance, they won five WS in Philly and four in Oakland. Philly can claim those five WS, but not the Phillies obviously. Different franchise.


But you're dinging the Nats for the
Expo's lack of success.

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Postby 93henfan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:45 pm

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93henfan wrote:
Lolwut?

No, the Warriors franchise does. Why would the Sixers? Philly only has claim to one Phila Warriors NBA Championship and one BAA championship.

You understand what a sports franchise is, no?

If you're doing the city thing, then looking at the A's for instance, they won five WS in Philly and four in Oakland. Philly can claim those five WS, but not the Phillies obviously. Different franchise.


But you're dinging the Nats for the
Expo's lack of success.

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I'm dinging that franchise.

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Postby 89Hen » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:08 pm

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Nationals - 50 years?

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Yep. The franchise started in 1969.

If it makes you feel better. :coffee:
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Postby 93henfan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:37 pm

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Yep. The franchise started in 1969.

If it makes you feel better. :coffee:


Has nothing to do with my feelings; it's a fact. :thumb:

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:49 pm

93henfan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Does that mean that Philly gets credit for Golden State's NBA championships?

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Lolwut?

No, the Warriors franchise does. Why would the Sixers? Philly only has claim to one Phila Warriors NBA Championship and one BAA championship.

You understand what a sports franchise is, no?

If you're doing the city thing, then looking at the A's for instance, they won five WS in Philly and four in Oakland. Philly can claim those five WS, but not the Phillies obviously. Different franchise.


Lakers claim the 5 Minneapolis championships.
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Postby 93henfan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:04 pm

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93henfan wrote:
Lolwut?

No, the Warriors franchise does. Why would the Sixers? Philly only has claim to one Phila Warriors NBA Championship and one BAA championship.

You understand what a sports franchise is, no?

If you're doing the city thing, then looking at the A's for instance, they won five WS in Philly and four in Oakland. Philly can claim those five WS, but not the Phillies obviously. Different franchise.


Lakers claim the 5 Minneapolis championships.


And the LA Rams claim the St Louis Super Bowl.

Franchise is not a difficult concept to grasp. :lol:

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Postby UNI88 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:27 pm

93henfan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Lakers claim the 5 Minneapolis championships.


And the LA Rams claim the St Louis Super Bowl.

Franchise is not a difficult concept to grasp. :lol:


My apologies 93. I was confused (sue me I don't closely follow baseball, golf, billiards, tiddlywinks, etc.) and was thinking that a previous Nat's franchise had started in 1969 and then moved somewhere else not realizing that the current version of the Nats was started in 1969 and came from Montreal. Now that I did a little research and understand, I agree that the Nat's legacy includes the Expos' futility.

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Postby Ivytalk » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:04 pm

UNI88 wrote:
93henfan wrote:
And the LA Rams claim the St Louis Super Bowl.

Franchise is not a difficult concept to grasp. :lol:


My apologies 93. I was confused (sue me I don't closely follow baseball, golf, billiards, tiddlywinks, etc.) and was thinking that a previous Nat's franchise had started in 1969 and then moved somewhere else not realizing that the current version of the Nats was started in 1969 and came from Montreal. Now that I did a little research and understand, I agree that the Nat's legacy includes the Expos' futility.

It might as well be the Washington Senators for all 89 is concerned. :lol:
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby UNI88 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:01 am

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My apologies 93. I was confused (sue me I don't closely follow baseball, golf, billiards, tiddlywinks, etc.) and was thinking that a previous Nat's franchise had started in 1969 and then moved somewhere else not realizing that the current version of the Nats was started in 1969 and came from Montreal. Now that I did a little research and understand, I agree that the Nat's legacy includes the Expos' futility.

It might as well be the Washington Senators for all 89 is concerned. :lol:


89 can't help it, he was born with an old curmudgeonly soul. :grizo1:

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Postby 89Hen » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:00 am

UNI88 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:It might as well be the Washington Senators for all 89 is concerned. :lol:


89 can't help it, he was born with an old curmudgeonly soul. :grizo1:

Kinda funny that I'm the old curmudgeon but it's you guys that want to hang on to the Expos. There is not a fan in DC that gives a rats ass about any of the Expos history, good or bad (obviously mostly bad). Different city, different owners, different name, different team. Counting 50 years as waiting for the Nationals to win a WS is nothing but dumb. :coffee:
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Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby css75 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:26 am

89Hen wrote:
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89 can't help it, he was born with an old curmudgeonly soul. :grizo1:

Kinda funny that I'm the old curmudgeon but it's you guys that want to hang on to the Expos. There is not a fan in DC that gives a rats ass about any of the Expos history, good or bad (obviously mostly bad). Different city, different owners, different name, different team. Counting 50 years as waiting for the Nationals to win a WS is nothing but dumb. :coffee:



Agree with this, though I hope Montreal gets another chance. They got screwed in 1994 and the fans were pissed and quit going.


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Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby GannonFan » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:19 pm

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Gil Dobie wrote:Harper didn't want to play in Philly very bad. It's all about the money, no passion, no championships.

He didn't want to play in DC either. $300M for 10 was on the table, so that he signed for $330 and 13 tells me he wanted out. Nats fans have known this day was coming for a long time. Don't let 93 fool you, his prediction two years ago was chalk. What this has meant is that fans were way over losing Harper before it even happened. He will be missed but I'm not hearing many angry folks around here. Now, the fact that he did sign for basically the same money he was offered here and that he's going to a division rival means that I hope he fails. Either way though, I'm not losing sleep over it.

As for the no passion, no championships... I will have to disagree. The Phillies have a good shot at being very good right away, and certainly in the next couple years. I don't know exactly what their pitching staff looks like, but that can be addressed now that positionally they're pretty set.


Difference is the Nats contract was apparently a ton of deferred money where the Phillies contract is stacked with much of the money coming upfront (competitive tax hit for the club is based on the average yearly cost over the contract, not exactly when the player gets the money). The net present value of the Phillies offer was substantially greater than that of the Nats offer just based on the timing of the salary. Nats didn't want him.
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Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby 89Hen » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:50 pm

GannonFan wrote:Difference is the Nats contract was apparently a ton of deferred money...

Yeah, heard that on Friday.
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Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby css75 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:10 pm

The king of deferred money has got to be Booby Bonilla, he will getting checks for awhile still.


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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby UNI88 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:34 pm

89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:89 can't help it, he was born with an old curmudgeonly soul. :grizo1:

Kinda funny that I'm the old curmudgeon but it's you guys that want to hang on to the Expos. There is not a fan in DC that gives a rats ass about any of the Expos history, good or bad (obviously mostly bad). Different city, different owners, different name, different team. Counting 50 years as waiting for the Nationals to win a WS is nothing but dumb. :coffee:


That's your perspective. Mine is that they didn't start a new franchise, they moved an existing franchise from another city and that franchise's history came with it. The people of Washington haven't waited 50 years but fans of the franchise have. I guess I'm :dunce:

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Postby Ivytalk » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:23 am

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89Hen wrote:Kinda funny that I'm the old curmudgeon but it's you guys that want to hang on to the Expos. There is not a fan in DC that gives a rats ass about any of the Expos history, good or bad (obviously mostly bad). Different city, different owners, different name, different team. Counting 50 years as waiting for the Nationals to win a WS is nothing but dumb. :coffee:



Agree with this, though I hope Montreal gets another chance. They got screwed in 1994 and the fans were pissed and quit going.


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Re: How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:29 am

Red Sox and Yankees will also keep the Phillies from winning.
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Postby 89Hen » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:45 am

UNI88 wrote:fans of the franchise have. I guess I'm :dunce:

That's where we disagree. Do you think there is a Montreal Expos fan that was holding their breath during the Bryce Harper saga because they desperately want a World Series for the Nats? Or do you think there is a Nats fan that thinks back on the Expos and what could have been if they had won a WS title? :suspicious:
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Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:14 am

89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:fans of the franchise have. I guess I'm :dunce:

That's where we disagree. Do you think there is a Montreal Expos fan that was holding their breath during the Bryce Harper saga because they desperately want a World Series for the Nats? Or do you think there is a Nats fan that thinks back on the Expos and what could have been if they had won a WS title? :suspicious:


Doesn't matter what some Nats fans think, baseball stats for the Expos, are in the Nats record book. Check the link to the Nats all-time stat leaders.

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1. Ryan Zimmerman 264
2. Vladimir Guerrero 234
3. Andre Dawson 225
4. Gary Carter 220
5. Tim Wallach 204
6. Bryce Harper 184
7. Bob Bailey 118
8. Andres Galarraga 115
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Postby 89Hen » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:That's where we disagree. Do you think there is a Montreal Expos fan that was holding their breath during the Bryce Harper saga because they desperately want a World Series for the Nats? Or do you think there is a Nats fan that thinks back on the Expos and what could have been if they had won a WS title? :suspicious:


Doesn't matter what some Nats fans think, baseball stats for the Expos, are in the Nats record book. Check the link to the Nats all-time stat leaders.

The purpose of pointing out championship droughts is to show how miserable a fanbase might be. The Nats are 0 for 13 years. Doesn't matter what some stat guy thinks. 8-)
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How Many World Series Do Phillies Win In Next 15 Years?

Postby css75 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:38 am

In a few years Phillies will regret this signing, and realize owner did what he said he was going to do. That aside, they are a strong team and they got a great catcher.


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Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:21 am

89Hen wrote:
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Doesn't matter what some Nats fans think, baseball stats for the Expos, are in the Nats record book. Check the link to the Nats all-time stat leaders.

The purpose of pointing out championship droughts is to show how miserable a fanbase might be. The Nats are 0 for 13 years. Doesn't matter what some stat guy thinks. 8-)


If you are talking cities, Washington hasn't won since 1924, but that is part of the Twins all-time records, the franchise won in 1987 & 91.
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Postby Ivytalk » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:47 am

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Doesn't matter what some Nats fans think, baseball stats for the Expos, are in the Nats record book. Check the link to the Nats all-time stat leaders.

The purpose of pointing out championship droughts is to show how miserable a fanbase might be. The Nats are 0 for 13 years. Doesn't matter what some stat guy thinks. 8-)

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