Women's World Cup

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:20 pm

We're comparing professional athletes to college kids... which is the start of where this all went wrong
So lets stick with professionals (shall we?)

Secondly:
We celebrate male athletes taunting their opponents
See: ESPN

The end...

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:27 pm

Chizzang wrote:We're comparing professional athletes to college kids... which is the start of where this all went wrong
So lets stick with professionals (shall we?)

Secondly:
We celebrate male athletes taunting their opponents
See: ESPN

The end...

Who is we?
And we are not comparing college to professionals. We are comparing taunting examples and where they intersect with rules. The World Cup has no rules. So there is no infraction. It just comes down to personal opinion of whether you accept taunting the opponent or not.

I'd rather the players settle the score. I like when a pitcher hits a batter after a bat flip.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:44 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
Chizzang wrote:We're comparing professional athletes to college kids... which is the start of where this all went wrong
So lets stick with professionals (shall we?)

Secondly:
We celebrate male athletes taunting their opponents
See: ESPN

The end...
Who is we?
And we are not comparing college to professionals. We are comparing taunting examples and where they intersect with rules. The World Cup has no rules. So there is no infraction. It just comes down to personal opinion of whether you accept taunting the opponent or not.

I'd rather the players settle the score. I like when a pitcher hits a batter after a bat flip.

Who's we..?
We are the "holier than thou"
who's feelings got hurt because somebody sipped tea in a celebration

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:49 pm

But you're right... there's no double standard
while there's a best of compilation on NFL taunting

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:51 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Who is we?
And we are not comparing college to professionals. We are comparing taunting examples and where they intersect with rules. The World Cup has no rules. So there is no infraction. It just comes down to personal opinion of whether you accept taunting the opponent or not.

I'd rather the players settle the score. I like when a pitcher hits a batter after a bat flip.
Who's we..?
We are the "holier than thou"
who's feelings got hurt because somebody sipped tea in a celebration

So are you saying that those are the same people celebrating taunting (ESPN) or are they consistent with their "hurt feelings"?

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:52 pm

There's no double standard here. Some people didn't like the drinking tea goal celebration, some people did. That's the case with almost every sports celebration out there. That's not a double standard, that's the same standard. Women should be celebrating that they get to be treated just like men do. When Alabama wins by 70 in football against SW/SE Alabama ST A&M, there's criticism that they ran up the score. Same thing happened with the USWNT knocking the stuffing out of a Thailand side that probably only introduced their team to the sport on the plane ride to France. When Terrell Owens runs to the dallas star in the endzone or at midfield to mock the opponent, pro-dallas people were appalled and all good people in the world were happy. Same with the tea drinking pose after scoring a goal against England, a country renowned for drinking tea. And really, the people most upset about the tea drinking celebration were the English team and fans of the English team. Again, not a double standard, just the same standard.

The USWNT should be happy they are being treated just like any other athlete on a big stage - some people will love them, some people will hate them, but they should be happy of the one thing that goes with all of that - people are watching/talking about them.

Now with all that said, the US Soccer Federation should pay them the same as the men. Easy enough to do. There's no getting around the huge difference in the amount of prize money the men's World Cup gets versus the women's World Cup (the rest of the world outside of the US has only just gotten around to letting women play sports so we've had a 40 year head start on women in sports in this country) so we're generations away, if ever, from having that equal. But the federation in our own country can certainly pay the same for national team service.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:54 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Who's we..?
We are the "holier than thou"
who's feelings got hurt because somebody sipped tea in a celebration

So are you saying that those are the same people celebrating taunting (ESPN) or are they consistent with their "hurt feelings"?

Me thinks thou doth protest too much Tonto...
I've never heard one person complain about the NFL celebrations - in fact it's got it's own show on ESPN

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:59 pm

GannonFan wrote:There's no double standard here. Some people didn't like the drinking tea goal celebration, some people did. That's the case with almost every sports celebration out there. That's not a double standard, that's the same standard. Women should be celebrating that they get to be treated just like men do. When Alabama wins by 70 in football against SW/SE Alabama ST A&M, there's criticism that they ran up the score. Same thing happened with the USWNT knocking the stuffing out of a Thailand side that probably only introduced their team to the sport on the plane ride to France. When Terrell Owens runs to the dallas star in the endzone or at midfield to mock the opponent, pro-dallas people were appalled and all good people in the world were happy. Same with the tea drinking pose after scoring a goal against England, a country renowned for drinking tea. And really, the people most upset about the tea drinking celebration were the English team and fans of the English team. Again, not a double standard, just the same standard.

The USWNT should be happy they are being treated just like any other athlete on a big stage - some people will love them, some people will hate them, but they should be happy of the one thing that goes with all of that - people are watching/talking about them.

Now with all that said, the US Soccer Federation should pay them the same as the men. Easy enough to do. There's no getting around the huge difference in the amount of prize money the men's World Cup gets versus the women's World Cup (the rest of the world outside of the US has only just gotten around to letting women play sports so we've had a 40 year head start on women in sports in this country) so we're generations away, if ever, from having that equal. But the federation in our own country can certainly pay the same for national team service.

Well said:

I concede your point but would like to add a point if allowed (standing by)

Post by **UNI88** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:04 pm

Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:There's no double standard here. Some people didn't like the drinking tea goal celebration, some people did. That's the case with almost every sports celebration out there. That's not a double standard, that's the same standard. Women should be celebrating that they get to be treated just like men do. When Alabama wins by 70 in football against SW/SE Alabama ST A&M, there's criticism that they ran up the score. Same thing happened with the USWNT knocking the stuffing out of a Thailand side that probably only introduced their team to the sport on the plane ride to France. When Terrell Owens runs to the dallas star in the endzone or at midfield to mock the opponent, pro-dallas people were appalled and all good people in the world were happy. Same with the tea drinking pose after scoring a goal against England, a country renowned for drinking tea. And really, the people most upset about the tea drinking celebration were the English team and fans of the English team. Again, not a double standard, just the same standard.

The USWNT should be happy they are being treated just like any other athlete on a big stage - some people will love them, some people will hate them, but they should be happy of the one thing that goes with all of that - people are watching/talking about them.

Now with all that said, the US Soccer Federation should pay them the same as the men. Easy enough to do. There's no getting around the huge difference in the amount of prize money the men's World Cup gets versus the women's World Cup (the rest of the world outside of the US has only just gotten around to letting women play sports so we've had a 40 year head start on women in sports in this country) so we're generations away, if ever, from having that equal. But the federation in our own country can certainly pay the same for national team service.
Well said:

I concede your point but would like to add a point if allowed (standing by)

Ganny makes a strong argument and I will concede the point on a double standard with the stipulation that anyone who criticized Alex Morgan's tea sip but celebrates professionals taunting after dunks, touchdowns, interceptions, etc. is a hypocrite.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:04 pm

Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:There's no double standard here. Some people didn't like the drinking tea goal celebration, some people did. That's the case with almost every sports celebration out there. That's not a double standard, that's the same standard. Women should be celebrating that they get to be treated just like men do. When Alabama wins by 70 in football against SW/SE Alabama ST A&M, there's criticism that they ran up the score. Same thing happened with the USWNT knocking the stuffing out of a Thailand side that probably only introduced their team to the sport on the plane ride to France. When Terrell Owens runs to the dallas star in the endzone or at midfield to mock the opponent, pro-dallas people were appalled and all good people in the world were happy. Same with the tea drinking pose after scoring a goal against England, a country renowned for drinking tea. And really, the people most upset about the tea drinking celebration were the English team and fans of the English team. Again, not a double standard, just the same standard.

The USWNT should be happy they are being treated just like any other athlete on a big stage - some people will love them, some people will hate them, but they should be happy of the one thing that goes with all of that - people are watching/talking about them.

Now with all that said, the US Soccer Federation should pay them the same as the men. Easy enough to do. There's no getting around the huge difference in the amount of prize money the men's World Cup gets versus the women's World Cup (the rest of the world outside of the US has only just gotten around to letting women play sports so we've had a 40 year head start on women in sports in this country) so we're generations away, if ever, from having that equal. But the federation in our own country can certainly pay the same for national team service.
Well said:

I concede your point but would like to add a point if allowed (standing by)

By all means, I'm no gatekeeper.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:11 pm

UNI88 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Well said:

I concede your point but would like to add a point if allowed (standing by)
Ganny makes a strong argument and I will concede the point on a double standard with the stipulation that anyone who criticized Alex Morgan's tea sip but celebrates professionals taunting after dunks, touchdowns, interceptions, etc. is a hypocrite.

Bingo.. ^
I suspect many who complained about the now famous Tea incident
somehow love it when their team scores in the NFL and prance around like a twats
and have an organized celebration

Post by **dbackjon** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:14 pm

Chizzang wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
Ganny makes a strong argument and I will concede the point on a double standard with the stipulation that anyone who criticized Alex Morgan's tea sip but celebrates professionals taunting after dunks, touchdowns, interceptions, etc. is a hypocrite.
Bingo.. ^
I suspect many who complained about the now famous Tea incident
somehow love it when their team scores in the NFL and prance around like a twats
and have an organized celebration

Or they don't post about it...

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:24 pm

dbackjon wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Bingo.. ^
I suspect many who complained about the now famous Tea incident
somehow love it when their team scores in the NFL and prance around like a twats
and have an organized celebration

Or they don't post about it...

Everyone posts about everything anymore, it's the times we live in. And I'm absolutely sure there are hypocrites on both sides of the tea drinking taunt. There are certainly people who have celebrated and laughed about players/teams they like who didn't like what Alex Morgan did, and there are plenty of people who criticize players for taunting before this who thought what she did was great. It's the hazards of everyone posting every thought they have the minute they have the thought - people are bound to lack consistency in their stream of consciousness postings.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:39 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: So are you saying that those are the same people celebrating taunting (ESPN) or are they consistent with their "hurt feelings"?
Me thinks thou doth protest too much Tonto...
I've never heard one person complain about the NFL celebrations - in fact it's got it's own show on ESPN

Me. Protest?
Where?
I just said:
1. There is no double standard
2. Without rules against it, it's up to the players to decide if the celebration crossed the line.

I know that if I was playing in a game, and the celebration crossed the line (set by me), I would surely find a way to let that player know.

Pwns · Post by **Pwns** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:06 pm

Chizzang wrote:
Perhaps college... sure
But pro football and baseball and basketball are over the top celebrations
Football players grabbing their balls and having 3 minute long dance parties in the end zone

and what do we do... ESPN has a weekly televised scorecard grading the best celebrations
we congratulate MEN on their celebrations

Yeah John, she sipped tea...
fact = we expect women to act differently

Right, and people complain about taunts when NFL players do them, so where's the double standard?

And don't pretend like if the men's team had beaten England and someone had done the teacup there wouldn't be complaints on Vox and Salon about how the arrogance of Trumpism and American Exceptionalism had infected the team. But it's women who are doing so it's empowering (or something).

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:27 pm

Pwns wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Perhaps college... sure
But pro football and baseball and basketball are over the top celebrations
Football players grabbing their balls and having 3 minute long dance parties in the end zone

and what do we do... ESPN has a weekly televised scorecard grading the best celebrations
we congratulate MEN on their celebrations

Yeah John, she sipped tea...
fact = we expect women to act differently

Right, and people complain about taunts when NFL players do them, so where's the double standard?

And don't pretend like if the men's team had beaten England and someone had done the teacup there wouldn't be complaints on Vox and Salon about how the arrogance of Trumpism and American Exceptionalism had infected the team. But it's women who are doing so it's empowering (or something).

You're too late Pwns... Gannon already mopped the floor with me

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:27 pm

Much ado about nuttin!

Women should get 10 times more $$ than what the men get.

Post by **kalm** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:08 pm

I’M OFFENDED!

LOUD NOISES!

(Excuse me while I now go to Facebook to look at ads for tea, women’s soccer, cheap airfare to England, and Anchorman tee shirts.)

Post by **AshevilleApp** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:20 pm

It looked like she was hitting a joint to me.

Post by **kalm** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:24 pm

AshevilleApp wrote:It looked like she was hitting a joint to me.

That thought crossed my mind as well.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:05 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: So are you saying that those are the same people celebrating taunting (ESPN) or are they consistent with their "hurt feelings"?
Me thinks thou doth protest too much Tonto...
I've never heard one person complain about the NFL celebrations - in fact it's got it's own show on ESPN

I don’t watch ESPN.

When you say “we” you mean “you”

“We” don’t celebrate any such thing.

In the last World Cup that one player pulled off her jersey and ran around in her sports bra when they beat the Chinese- and most people didn’t have a huge problem with it. I know I didn’t - that was celebrating a win

The tea sipping - I was fine with that as well even though it was a bit juvenile

But dancing on the grave of a team that you beat 13-0... celebrating every goal as if it was a game winner... while you leave in your starters for most of the game - THAT was sh1t sportsmanship and I don’t care what other people do in other sports

Just because the MSNBC of sports celebrates athletes being goons doesn’t make any of it less unsportsmanlike

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Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:34 pm

I conceded the point about 12 posts back CID...

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:24 pm

I have always said that I don't like the over the top celebration stuff with men's athletics. There's no double standard. To me the video below shows how someone should conduct themselves. It's a long video but if you watch it for any length of time you see no excessive celebration. Any time they run the video long enough you see that what he did after scoring a TD was just flip the ball to the official.

phpBB [video]

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:39 pm

Chizzang wrote:I conceded the point about 12 posts back CID...

Yeah well I’m in a different time zone and I need to get my whacks in

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Post by **93henfan** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:30 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Me thinks thou doth protest too much Tonto...
I've never heard one person complain about the NFL celebrations - in fact it's got it's own show on ESPN

I don’t watch ESPN.

When you say “we” you mean “you”

“We” don’t celebrate any such thing.

In the last World Cup that one player pulled off her jersey and ran around in her sports bra when they beat the Chinese- and most people didn’t have a huge problem with it. I know I didn’t - that was celebrating a win

Last World Cup?

Try 20 years ago. Chastain beat the Chinks in 1999.

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