The Biggest Surprise of the NFL season (2019)

[Chizzang]

Can also be biggest let down...
So far:

This week for me it's the Oakland Raiders
No Amari Cooper / No Mack / still playing winning football

[CAA Flagship]

The Bills.

[93henfan]

The biggest non-surprise is the Redskins.

[CAA Flagship]

The biggest non-surprise is the Redskins.

Hey. Whore mouth. Shut it.

[Chizzang]

The biggest non-surprise is the Redskins.

Hey. Whore mouth. Shut it.

[css75]

Broncos 1-4, should be no worse than 3-2.


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[Gil Dobie]

Every team in the NFC Norse division has a winning record.

[Chizzang]

Every team in the NFC Norse division has a winning record.

The Lions... (that is interesting)

[TheDancinMonarch]

The biggest non-surprise is the Redskins.

So sad and yet so true!

[93henfan]

The biggest non-surprise is the Redskins.

So sad and yet so true!

I truly wonder if they can ever seriously compete again under the current owner.

[89Hen]

So sad and yet so true!

I truly wonder if they can ever seriously compete again under the current owner.

Every once in a while they can get lucky when all the stars align. But hard to see them becoming consistently competitive any time soon.

[UNI88]

Every team in the NFC Norse division has a winning record.

The Lions... (that is interesting)

Patricia vs O'Brien, who will be the most successful Belichek disciple?

And why does the maybe the greatest coach in NFL history have such a stunted coaching tree?

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[SuperHornet]

And why does the maybe the greatest coach in NFL history have such a stunted coaching tree?

During the '70s, people wondered that quite often about Tom Landry, quite possibly the best coach in NFL history, having only Dick Nolan as a "disciple-turned-head coach" at SF and then NO. It wasn't until later that guys like Dan Reeves and Danny White became head coaches (though in White's case, it was in the Arena League, founding the Arizona Rattlers and then the Utah Blaze; just like Landry, White got the royal screw job from ownership in Arizona, leading to his founding of the Blaze). There have probably been a few more since then, but it was falsely chalked up to the perception that "The Great Stone Face" didn't delegate authority well. That in and of itself is bogus, because he DID have a player-coach on his staff (Reeves), just as he himself was a player-coach (actually DC at age 29) with the NY Giants. A HC with power-control issues likely wouldn't trust a player to simultaneously serve as an assistant coach. (Actually, if I were Belichick, I would consider naming Brady player-coach in charge of QBs, and within a couple of years widen his scope to OC, to prepare him for life after playing. Even if Brady were to break George Blanda's longevity record, he's still going to have to do SOMETHING after. Forty-eight or forty-nine is WAY too young to just do NOTHING all day, and he's too competitive for that, anyway....)

[Chizzang]

And why does the maybe the greatest coach in NFL history have such a stunted coaching tree?

During the '70s, people wondered that quite often about Tom Landry, quite possibly the best coach in NFL history, having only Dick Nolan as a "disciple-turned-head coach" at SF and then NO. It wasn't until later that guys like Dan Reeves and Danny White became head coaches (though in White's case, it was in the Arena League, founding the Arizona Rattlers and then the Utah Blaze; just like Landry, White got the royal screw job from ownership in Arizona, leading to his founding of the Blaze). There have probably been a few more since then, but it was falsely chalked up to the perception that "The Great Stone Face" didn't delegate authority well. That in and of itself is bogus, because he DID have a player-coach on his staff (Reeves), just as he himself was a player-coach (actually DC at age 29) with the NY Giants. A HC with power-control issues likely wouldn't trust a player to simultaneously serve as an assistant coach. (Actually, if I were Belichick, I would consider naming Brady player-coach in charge of QBs, and within a couple of years widen his scope to OC, to prepare him for life after playing. Even if Brady were to break George Blanda's longevity record, he's still going to have to do SOMETHING after. Forty-eight or forty-nine is WAY too young to just do NOTHING all day, and he's too competitive for that, anyway....)

Dude... seriously
Tom Landry might not even be in the top ten in the history of NFL coaches
Nobody in their right mind suggests that Tom Landry is quite possibly be the best coach in NFL history

Hell they replaced him with a guy that almost immediately had more success

[UNI88]

During the '70s, people wondered that quite often about Tom Landry, quite possibly the best coach in NFL history, having only Dick Nolan as a "disciple-turned-head coach" at SF and then NO. It wasn't until later that guys like Dan Reeves and Danny White became head coaches (though in White's case, it was in the Arena League, founding the Arizona Rattlers and then the Utah Blaze; just like Landry, White got the royal screw job from ownership in Arizona, leading to his founding of the Blaze). There have probably been a few more since then, but it was falsely chalked up to the perception that "The Great Stone Face" didn't delegate authority well. That in and of itself is bogus, because he DID have a player-coach on his staff (Reeves), just as he himself was a player-coach (actually DC at age 29) with the NY Giants. A HC with power-control issues likely wouldn't trust a player to simultaneously serve as an assistant coach. (Actually, if I were Belichick, I would consider naming Brady player-coach in charge of QBs, and within a couple of years widen his scope to OC, to prepare him for life after playing. Even if Brady were to break George Blanda's longevity record, he's still going to have to do SOMETHING after. Forty-eight or forty-nine is WAY too young to just do NOTHING all day, and he's too competitive for that, anyway....)

Dude... seriously
Tom Landry might not even be in the top ten in the history of NFL coaches
Nobody in their right mind suggests that Tom Landry is quite possibly be the best coach in NFL history

Hell they replaced him with a guy that almost immediately had more success

True, now what about Hoody's stunted coaching tree?

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[kalm]

And why does the maybe the greatest coach in NFL history have such a stunted coaching tree?

During the '70s, people wondered that quite often about Tom Landry, quite possibly the best coach in NFL history, having only Dick Nolan as a "disciple-turned-head coach" at SF and then NO. It wasn't until later that guys like Dan Reeves and Danny White became head coaches (though in White's case, it was in the Arena League, founding the Arizona Rattlers and then the Utah Blaze; just like Landry, White got the royal screw job from ownership in Arizona, leading to his founding of the Blaze). There have probably been a few more since then, but it was falsely chalked up to the perception that "The Great Stone Face" didn't delegate authority well. That in and of itself is bogus, because he DID have a player-coach on his staff (Reeves), just as he himself was a player-coach (actually DC at age 29) with the NY Giants. A HC with power-control issues likely wouldn't trust a player to simultaneously serve as an assistant coach. (Actually, if I were Belichick, I would consider naming Brady player-coach in charge of QBs, and within a couple of years widen his scope to OC, to prepare him for life after playing. Even if Brady were to break George Blanda's longevity record, he's still going to have to do SOMETHING after. Forty-eight or forty-nine is WAY too young to just do NOTHING all day, and he's too competitive for that, anyway....)

I’m 48 and I’m perfectly willing to do nothing all day.

[93henfan]

During the '70s, people wondered that quite often about Tom Landry, quite possibly the best coach in NFL history, having only Dick Nolan as a "disciple-turned-head coach" at SF and then NO. It wasn't until later that guys like Dan Reeves and Danny White became head coaches (though in White's case, it was in the Arena League, founding the Arizona Rattlers and then the Utah Blaze; just like Landry, White got the royal screw job from ownership in Arizona, leading to his founding of the Blaze). There have probably been a few more since then, but it was falsely chalked up to the perception that "The Great Stone Face" didn't delegate authority well. That in and of itself is bogus, because he DID have a player-coach on his staff (Reeves), just as he himself was a player-coach (actually DC at age 29) with the NY Giants. A HC with power-control issues likely wouldn't trust a player to simultaneously serve as an assistant coach. (Actually, if I were Belichick, I would consider naming Brady player-coach in charge of QBs, and within a couple of years widen his scope to OC, to prepare him for life after playing. Even if Brady were to break George Blanda's longevity record, he's still going to have to do SOMETHING after. Forty-eight or forty-nine is WAY too young to just do NOTHING all day, and he's too competitive for that, anyway....)

I’m 48 and I’m perfectly willing to do nothing all day.

This!

[CAA Flagship]

I’m 48 and I’m perfectly willing to do nothing all day.

This!

Those.

* and night

[Chizzang]

Dude... seriously
Tom Landry might not even be in the top ten in the history of NFL coaches
Nobody in their right mind suggests that Tom Landry is quite possibly be the best coach in NFL history

Hell they replaced him with a guy that almost immediately had more success

True, now what about Hoody's stunted coaching tree?

Heck if I know...

[UNI88]

True, now what about Hoody's stunted coaching tree?

Heck if I know...

It's the biggest knock on his legacy so it's fun to keep pointing it out.

[Chizzang]

Heck if I know...

It's the biggest knock on his legacy so it's fun to keep pointing it out.

Why is it a knock on him..?



A great example of Bilichick is Dean Pees
Pees was a coach for years bouncing around - then he spends 5 years with the Patriots
Learns their defensive system and is still running it today

and he handed it - on a silver platter - to the Baltimore Ravens 8 years ago
and Harbaugh still runs that defensive system to this day

and now Pees is in Tennessee
and they have adopted the Bilichick defensive system

and pees showed that same system to Matt leFleur
now LeFleaur in Green bay runs that defensive system this year



Check the Titans / Ravens / and Green Bay defenses
as well as the Patriots defense

what do they all have in common ?

[UNI88]

It's the biggest knock on his legacy so it's fun to keep pointing it out.

Why is it a knock on him..?



A great example of Bilichick is Dean Pees
Pees was a coach for years bouncing around - then he spends 5 years with the Patriots
Learns their defensive system and is still running it today

and he handed it - on a silver platter - to the Baltimore Ravens 8 years ago
and Harbaugh still runs that defensive system to this day

and now Pees is in Tennessee
and they have adopted the Bilichick defensive system

and pees showed that same system to Matt leFleur
now LeFleaur in Green bay runs that defensive system this year



Check the Titans / Ravens / and Green Bay defenses
as well as the Patriots defense

what do they all have in common ?

So he's spun off one successful assistant coach? How many successful head coaches?

How does the Belichek tree compare to Bill Walsh's?

[93henfan]

Andy Reid's coaching tree has two more Super Bowls than Andy Reid.

[UNI88]

Andy Reid's coaching tree has two more Super Bowls than Andy Reid.

Andy Reid isn't as good of a coach but he's a better mentor than Belichek. Questions to consider:

• If your team was in the market for a new head coach, who would be a better candidate? Josh McDaniel or Eric Bieniemy?
• If your kid was going into coaching who would you rather he worked for?

[93henfan]

Andy Reid's coaching tree has two more Super Bowls than Andy Reid.

Andy Reid isn't as good of a coach but he's a better mentor than Belichek. Questions to consider:

• If your team was in the market for a new head coach, who would be a better candidate? Josh McDaniel or Eric Bieniemy?
• If your kid was going into coaching who would you rather he worked for?

You might want to read up on Andy Reid's sons. One OD'ed on smack at Eagles training camp. One rammed am old lady on the street and took off while the other got in a road rage incident and pulled a gun on some guy. Both were high as a kite and were major druggies.

He knows how to raise kids!