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Eluid Kipchoge won the INEOS 1:59 Challenge in Vienna, AUT, today, and in so doing became the first person EVER to break two hours in the marathon.

I'm surprised dal didn't post this first. LOL....



https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eliud-kipc ... 43213.html

So they set up a course specifically to aid in breaking the 2 hour mark and allowed 41 pacesetters to pre-station themselves around the course?

That's quite lame.

Hopefully somebody can do it legitimately some day.

93henfan wrote:So they set up a course specifically to aid in breaking the 2 hour mark and allowed 41 pacesetters to pre-station themselves around the course?

That's quite lame.

Hopefully somebody can do it legitimately some day.

Roger Bannister used pacesetters when he first broke the 4 minute mile. It's just the first thing people do to break records like this (and it doesn't count as an official record, neither did Bannister's, it just crosses a line people didn't think possible).

GannonFan wrote:

93henfan wrote:So they set up a course specifically to aid in breaking the 2 hour mark and allowed 41 pacesetters to pre-station themselves around the course?

That's quite lame.

Hopefully somebody can do it legitimately some day.

Roger Bannister used pacesetters when he first broke the 4 minute mile. It's just the first thing people do to break records like this (and it doesn't count as an official record, neither did Bannister's, it just crosses a line people didn't think possible).

Right, and the course makes an even bigger difference in marathon running. A downgrade course at low altitude with cool temperature is obviously going to be much faster than anything else. Hell, there are websites for people who want to qualify for Boston that show the easiest marathons to run. There is one in PA that is entirely shaded and entirely downhill. You basically start at a mountaintop trail and coast down to the valley.

93henfan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Roger Bannister used pacesetters when he first broke the 4 minute mile. It's just the first thing people do to break records like this (and it doesn't count as an official record, neither did Bannister's, it just crosses a line people didn't think possible).

Right, and the course makes an even bigger difference in marathon running. A downgrade course at low altitude with cool temperature is obviously going to be much faster than anything else. Hell, there are websites for people who want to qualify for Boston that show the easiest marathons to run. There is one in PA that is entirely shaded and entirely downhill. You basically start at a mountaintop trail and coast down to the valley.

The ones where you can leave the course, catch a subway train, and pop up later in the race are particularly good too.

GannonFan wrote:

93henfan wrote:So they set up a course specifically to aid in breaking the 2 hour mark and allowed 41 pacesetters to pre-station themselves around the course?

That's quite lame.

Hopefully somebody can do it legitimately some day.

Roger Bannister used pacesetters when he first broke the 4 minute mile. It's just the first thing people do to break records like this (and it doesn't count as an official record, neither did Bannister's, it just crosses a line people didn't think possible).

There is a difference between what Bannister did and what Kipchoge did this time though. With Bannister, the pacers started at the same time he did and did not rotate on and off the track which would be a huge advantage. (Where do you see that it was not a world record for Bannister. It says here https://bringbackthemile.com/history/progressions that it is (can't find it on the IAAF site but the site I linked says "Per IAAF ratification" which is the governing body)

With Kipchoge, the pacers worked in teams, rotating in twice during each of the course’s 6-mile laps. An electric car also preceded the runners, projecting a system of lasers to show where the pacers should run. Not that he is the only one doing so now but he is also wearing shoes that have a nice spring in their step (same shoes that Kosgei wore in Chicago yesterday to shatter the women's marathon record) that some consider cheating but I guess enough are wearing them now to reduce those calls - or elevate them if times get to quick.

That said, yeah, this is a way to prove it can be done even at a gimmicky event like this one.

tribe_pride wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Roger Bannister used pacesetters when he first broke the 4 minute mile. It's just the first thing people do to break records like this (and it doesn't count as an official record, neither did Bannister's, it just crosses a line people didn't think possible).

There is a difference between what Bannister did and what Kipchoge did this time though. With Bannister, the pacers started at the same time he did and did not rotate on and off the track which would be a huge advantage. (Where do you see that it was not a world record for Bannister. It says here https://bringbackthemile.com/history/progressions that it is (can't find it on the IAAF site but the site I linked says "Per IAAF ratification" which is the governing body)

With Kipchoge, the pacers worked in teams, rotating in twice during each of the course’s 6-mile laps. An electric car also preceded the runners, projecting a system of lasers to show where the pacers should run. Not that he is the only one doing so now but he is also wearing shoes that have a nice spring in their step (same shoes that Kosgei wore in Chicago yesterday to shatter the women's marathon record) that some consider cheating but I guess enough are wearing them now to reduce those calls - or elevate them if times get to quick.

That said, yeah, this is a way to prove it can be done even at a gimmicky event like this one.

Just guessed at it not being a record, apparently they were more lenient back in the day regarding that. And sure, pace setters for a mile are going to be significantly different than for a marathon. I don't remember those pace setters for Bannister finishing the race (last guy probably did as Bannister only went past him in the last 250 yards or so), and even if they did, the principle is still the same. And if they had lasers back then I'm sure they would've used them - instead they had guys practice a set pace and have others with stopwatches yelling times. And Bannister tucked in behind each of the pacesetters until the end. I'm not saying it's not legit, but that's how initial breaking of records like these are done. I'm sure a non-paceset sub 2 hour marathon will happen eventually.

The pace setters in this exhibition also ran ahead in a perfect formation to block wind, he had a motorcycle right next to him to grab his favorite sport drink whenever he needed it.

GannonFan wrote:

tribe_pride wrote:
There is a difference between what Bannister did and what Kipchoge did this time though. With Bannister, the pacers started at the same time he did and did not rotate on and off the track which would be a huge advantage. (Where do you see that it was not a world record for Bannister. It says here https://bringbackthemile.com/history/progressions that it is (can't find it on the IAAF site but the site I linked says "Per IAAF ratification" which is the governing body)

With Kipchoge, the pacers worked in teams, rotating in twice during each of the course’s 6-mile laps. An electric car also preceded the runners, projecting a system of lasers to show where the pacers should run. Not that he is the only one doing so now but he is also wearing shoes that have a nice spring in their step (same shoes that Kosgei wore in Chicago yesterday to shatter the women's marathon record) that some consider cheating but I guess enough are wearing them now to reduce those calls - or elevate them if times get to quick.

That said, yeah, this is a way to prove it can be done even at a gimmicky event like this one.

Just guessed at it not being a record, apparently they were more lenient back in the day regarding that. And sure, pace setters for a mile are going to be significantly different than for a marathon. I don't remember those pace setters for Bannister finishing the race (last guy probably did as Bannister only went past him in the last 250 yards or so), and even if they did, the principle is still the same. And if they had lasers back then I'm sure they would've used them - instead they had guys practice a set pace and have others with stopwatches yelling times. And Bannister tucked in behind each of the pacesetters until the end. I'm not saying it's not legit, but that's how initial breaking of records like these are done. I'm sure a non-paceset sub 2 hour marathon will happen eventually.

What I meant was that not all of the pacers in the marathon race started at the beginning of the race. One group started with him and then stepped off after 6 miles when the next group came on to run their first 6 miles (Kipchoge's 2nd 6 miles). Then after another 6 miles or so, the original group stepped back on to continue their run after 30 minutes or so off so Kipchoge always had a relatively fresh set of pacers running with him.

While Bannister passed his pacers with about 200m to go in the mile, his pacers both had run the whole 1400 in front of him and he never got a fresh set of pacers. Kipchoge got a big advantage over Bannister in that way. Note that most races 800 meters and further (except for Olympics and National or World Championship races) have pacers to try to get the races as fast as possible so they all do what Bannister did to run his sub-4.

dbackjon wrote:The pace setters in this exhibition also ran ahead in a perfect formation to block wind, he had a motorcycle right next to him to grab his favorite sport drink whenever he needed it.

I hear he also had a jet propulsion pack and wheels in his shoes.

SunCoastBlueHen wrote:

dbackjon wrote:The pace setters in this exhibition also ran ahead in a perfect formation to block wind, he had a motorcycle right next to him to grab his favorite sport drink whenever he needed it.

I hear he also had a jet propulsion pack and wheels in his shoes.

They also installed those airport people movers for approximately 24 miles of the route.

Did he go forward or backward in time when he broke the barrier?

UNI88 wrote:Did he go forward or backward in time when he broke the barrier?

He stayed under 88 mph the whole time so the flux capacitor never kicked in - stayed in present time.

I broke a time barrier ( EC(b)T to MW(b)T ) and nobody gave me a medal.

93henfan wrote:So they set up a course specifically to aid in breaking the 2 hour mark and allowed 41 pacesetters to pre-station themselves around the course?

That's quite lame.

Hopefully somebody can do it legitimately some day.

This is still a great achievement.

CAA Flagship wrote:I broke a time barrier ( EC(b)T to MW(b)T ) and nobody gave me a medal.

They were going to send you a ribbon but I broke two circumnavigating the Mountain time zone while going from MW(b)T to PC(b)T so they changed their minds and sent it to me.

It's in a box somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and send you a picture.

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