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Like I said, I'm not as familiar with their failures. Sorry I don't track all the teams. I pay attention to the Eagles (and Skins because that's all my sports radio plays) and there is no denying the Jets are the draft screw up kings. Sheesh.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:35 am Like I said, I'm not as familiar with their failures. Sorry I don't track all the teams. I pay attention to the Eagles (and Skins because that's all my sports radio plays) and there is no denying the Jets are the draft screw up kings. Sheesh.

I don't think you can compare the Eagles and Giants to the Jets. The Eagles and Giants have both won Super Bowls in the last 15 years, it's been more than 50 for the Jets. The Jets peers are the Browns and Lions (sorry App) but they currently have more hope than the Jets.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 pm

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:35 am Like I said, I'm not as familiar with their failures. Sorry I don't track all the teams. I pay attention to the Eagles (and Skins because that's all my sports radio plays) and there is no denying the Jets are the draft screw up kings. Sheesh.

I don't think you can compare the Eagles and Giants to the Jets. The Eagles and Giants have both won Super Bowls in the last 15 years, it's been more than 50 for the Jets. The Jets peers are the Browns and Lions (sorry App) but they currently have more hope than the Jets.

Agreed, I did say they were the kings. But as an Eagles fan, I can't be anything but disappointed by Roseman's screw-ups especially at WR recently. I fully expect him to pick another WR or two this spring, and they will be the 12th best option with a first round pick.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:22 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 pm

I don't think you can compare the Eagles and Giants to the Jets. The Eagles and Giants have both won Super Bowls in the last 15 years, it's been more than 50 for the Jets. The Jets peers are the Browns and Lions (sorry App) but they currently have more hope than the Jets.

Agreed, I did say they were the kings. But as an Eagles fan, I can't be anything but disappointed by Roseman's screw-ups especially at WR recently. I fully expect him to pick another WR or two this spring, and they will be the 12th best option with a first round pick.

By "recently" I assume you are excluding Smith and referencing the previous 3 or 4 picks?

Houston has fired HC David Culley after one season. This is why they will continue to have problems. Incidentally, the article closes with an interesting twist: the GM, who had "philosophical differences" with Culley, seems to want to hire a former Patriot's colleague. The initial focus for that was former Broncos HC Josh McDaniels, but sweetening that pot is the recent firing of Brian Flores by Miami; embattled QB Deshaun Watson at one point wanted a trade to Miami to play for Flores. Could the Texans reinstate Watson (amid the potential PR backlash attendant to that) to team him with Flores?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/houston-te ... 22833.html

Add NYG HC Joe Judge to the gone list....

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-fir ... 47513.html

NFC East Playoff update

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Bills play first "perfect" offensive game in NFL history.

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Cowboys' Major Malfunction in 2021 Season

Discipline. Specifically, more penalty yards than four teams had RUSHING YARDS. SMH. That used to be the Raiders' problem....

But it wasn't just that in this game. They don't know how to get down and kill the clock when they're out of time outs. Those two things ultimately cost Dallas, and anyone looking at Kellen Moore (who can't play-call his way out of a wet paper bag) and Dan Quinn had better question them SERIOUSLY about that....

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cowboys-ha ... 52398.html

This first half proved that the Air Raid is highly inappropriate inside either 10 yard line....

SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:40 pm

There's a lot of truth to that, though. Brady has always had a good team around him. How many other notable QBs with long/finished careers can say that? The only ones that come to mind are Staubach and maybe Roethlisberger.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:33 am

SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:40 pm

There's a lot of truth to that, though. Brady has always had a good team around him. How many other notable QBs with long/finished careers can say that? The only ones that come to mind are Staubach and maybe Roethlisberger.

There’s no WAY anybody thought Brady was automatically going to make the Bucs a super bowl winner. That was a mediocre team when he took the reins. Yeah, he got Gronk to come out of retirement, and he got AB to calm down for about 1 1/2 seasons…but as much as I dislike the man, he lifts those around him like nobody I’ve seen in my lifetime and just does not accept mediocrity.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:13 am

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:33 am There's a lot of truth to that, though. Brady has always had a good team around him. How many other notable QBs with long/finished careers can say that? The only ones that come to mind are Staubach and maybe Roethlisberger.

There’s no WAY anybody thought Brady was automatically going to make the Bucs a super bowl winner. That was a mediocre team when he took the reins. Yeah, he got Gronk to come out of retirement, and he got AB to calm down for about 1 1/2 seasons…but as much as I dislike the man, he lifts those around him like nobody I’ve seen in my lifetime and just does not accept mediocrity.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:07 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:13 am

There’s no WAY anybody thought Brady was automatically going to make the Bucs a super bowl winner. That was a mediocre team when he took the reins. Yeah, he got Gronk to come out of retirement, and he got AB to calm down for about 1 1/2 seasons…but as much as I dislike the man, he lifts those around him like nobody I’ve seen in my lifetime and just does not accept mediocrity.

I guess like the three Pro Bowl offensive linemen he has in front of him?

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:25 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:07 am

I guess like the three Pro Bowl offensive linemen he has in front of him?

How well did they do with Winston at QB?

They had a lot of talent (part of the reason Brady picked them) but their results pre-Brady were mediocre. He changed the culture of that team.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:23 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:25 am
I guess like the three Pro Bowl offensive linemen he has in front of him?

How well did they do with Winston at QB?

They had a lot of talent (part of the reason Brady picked them) but their results pre-Brady were mediocre. He changed the culture of that team.

Brady 100x > Winston, but Wirfs was a rookie last year and Caapa was one in 2019. So that kind of invalidates that response.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:51 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:23 am

How well did they do with Winston at QB?

They had a lot of talent (part of the reason Brady picked them) but their results pre-Brady were mediocre. He changed the culture of that team.

Brady 100x > Winston, but Wirfs was a rookie last year and Caapa was one in 2019. So that kind of invalidates that response.

Cause/effect? Are they pro bowl BECAUSE of Brady/Fournette/Evans/Gronk or are those guys so good because they have pro bowl offensive linemen protecting Brady?

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:51 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:23 am

How well did they do with Winston at QB?

They had a lot of talent (part of the reason Brady picked them) but their results pre-Brady were mediocre. He changed the culture of that team.

Brady 100x > Winston, but Wirfs was a rookie last year and Caapa was one in 2019. So that kind of invalidates that response.

Also.....

All I know is he took a .500 team and made them Super Bowl champions in literally ONE season.

I ALWAYS thought he was a product of Bellicheat’s system….turns out it was the other way around.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:25 pm

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:51 am

Brady 100x > Winston, but Wirfs was a rookie last year and Caapa was one in 2019. So that kind of invalidates that response.

Cause/effect? Are they pro bowl BECAUSE of Brady/Fournette/Evans/Gronk or are those guys so good because they have pro bowl offensive linemen protecting Brady?

It sure doesn't hurt, but Winston didn't have one of the three and one was a rookie. That was my point.

FWIW it looks like while TB was in NE he had four OL make the pro-bowl and only two make it more than once:

Dan Koppen - 1
Brian Waters - 1
Matt Light - 3
Logan Mankins - 6

That's 20 seasons x 5 OL's = 100 player season and 11 pro-bowls.

Prime time for the Pack, hope they can stave off the 49ers.

Lol I just watched apparently a replay of the early season Pack/49er game and thought it was the playoff game! What a maroon.

Mvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:33 am

SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:40 pm

There's a lot of truth to that, though. Brady has always had a good team around him. How many other notable QBs with long/finished careers can say that? The only ones that come to mind are Staubach and maybe Roethlisberger.

I've always thought quarterbacks get too much credit when things go well and too much blame when things go bad. If being on winning Super Bowl teams was the measure of whether quarterback A is better than quarterback B we'd have to say Trent Dilfer was a better quarterback than Dan Marino. Had Tom Brady played for the Cleveland Browns for most of his career then been traded to 2000 through 2019 then been traded to and played for the Jacksonville Jaguars or the New York Jets (per the picture) for 2020 and 2021 he would have been on zero Super Bowl winning teams. He'd have never even played in a Super Bowl.

That's not to put him down. He is very good. But take last year for instance. New England beat Kansas City 31-9. They held a team that averaged 30 points per game in its other 18 contests to 9 points. When you see that you don't look at the quarterback as the main reason they won. You look at the defense.