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Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:34 pm**

The committee votes on 3, so let's do the same.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:29 pm**

Based on that list, I'd have to turn in a blank ballot....

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:02 pm**

Schilling should be a mortal lock assuming it's about baseball. The regular voters got caught up in his after baseball comments, but this committee will keep it to baseball and he's a lock. I like Albert Belle and I like Mattingly. Both are clean from the steroid label and both are solid players. I don't think they are as deserving as Schilling, but good enough to get in on this ballot.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:45 am**

So far, cs has 3 new hall of famers voted in. 3 of 4 ballots at this time.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:43 pm**

i am going with Albert Belle and two unpopular choices - Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF before the steriods took over.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:50 pm**

Part two - for each of the listed, what cap would they wear?

My choices:
Bonds - Pirates
Clemens - Red Sox
Palmeiro - Rangers
Murphy - Braves (no brainer)
Belle - Indians
Schilling - tough one - spent longest time in Philly, WS MVP and greatest season in Arizona, bloody sox and WS win in Boston.
Mattingly - Yankees, no doubt
McGriff - one of the tougher ones - probably Braves

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:28 pm**

dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:43 pm i am going with Albert Belle and two unpopular choices - Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF before the steriods took over.

Belle is now our only choice.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:58 pm**

dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:50 pm Part two - for each of the listed, what cap would they wear?

My choices:
Bonds - Pirates
Clemens - Red Sox
Palmeiro - Rangers
Murphy - Braves (no brainer)
Belle - Indians
Schilling - tough one - spent longest time in Philly, WS MVP and greatest season in Arizona, bloody sox and WS win in Boston.
Mattingly - Yankees, no doubt
McGriff - one of the tougher ones - probably Braves

You think Bonds would pick Pittsburgh over San Fran? Granted, he was steroid-free in Pittsburgh, but those San Fran fans stayed loyal to him even knowing full well he was juicing big time.

I honestly forgot McGriff played for teams other than the Braves.

Schilling is certainly the hardest. I think he burned bridges more in Boston so it would be Arizona or Philly. He was lionized in Philly so maybe that. Not sure how Arizona feels about him.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:02 pm**

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:28 pm
dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:43 pm i am going with Albert Belle and two unpopular choices - Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF before the steriods took over.
Belle is now our only choice.

All three over Schilling? Two were out and out cheaters, and Bonds isn't really sad about it. No one has ever argued that they didn't need steroids to be HOF'ers. Kinda like how Pete Rose didn't need the money but surely bet for and against the team he was managing, and how Shoeless Joe probably didn't take any money and didn't underperform in the 1919 World Series (actually Shoeless Joe doesn't belong in the category of those three, he didn't cheat or dishonor the game). At least Schillings misdeeds happened after his career was over and didn't involve baseball.

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:36 am**

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:58 pm
dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:50 pm Part two - for each of the listed, what cap would they wear?

My choices:
Bonds - Pirates
Clemens - Red Sox
Palmeiro - Rangers
Murphy - Braves (no brainer)
Belle - Indians
Schilling - tough one - spent longest time in Philly, WS MVP and greatest season in Arizona, bloody sox and WS win in Boston.
Mattingly - Yankees, no doubt
McGriff - one of the tougher ones - probably Braves
You think Bonds would pick Pittsburgh over San Fran? Granted, he was steroid-free in Pittsburgh, but those San Fran fans stayed loyal to him even knowing full well he was juicing big time.

I honestly forgot McGriff played for teams other than the Braves.

Schilling is certainly the hardest. I think he burned bridges more in Boston so it would be Arizona or Philly. He was lionized in Philly so maybe that. Not sure how Arizona feels about him.

IIRC, it is not the player's choice. That was done away with. The HOF picks the cap. Bonds had HOF credentials in Pittsburgh. This allows the hall to sidestep the steriod era.

Arizona - it's a mixed reaction. He is local, going to school through Community College in Arizona. His politics are polarizing, of course, but more people in Arizona would agree with him than in Boston. Plus the symmetry of both 2001 WS Co-MVP's being in under the same cap is appealing.

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:37 am**

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:02 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:28 pm

Belle is now our only choice.
All three over Schilling? Two were out and out cheaters, and Bonds isn't really sad about it. No one has ever argued that they didn't need steroids to be HOF'ers. Kinda like how Pete Rose didn't need the money but surely bet for and against the team he was managing, and how Shoeless Joe probably didn't take any money and didn't underperform in the 1919 World Series (actually Shoeless Joe doesn't belong in the category of those three, he didn't cheat or dishonor the game). At least Schillings misdeeds happened after his career was over and didn't involve baseball.

You can certainly make the case for all four. Gil's rules were to pick three

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:18 am**

dbackjon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:37 am
GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:02 pm

All three over Schilling? Two were out and out cheaters, and Bonds isn't really sad about it. No one has ever argued that they didn't need steroids to be HOF'ers. Kinda like how Pete Rose didn't need the money but surely bet for and against the team he was managing, and how Shoeless Joe probably didn't take any money and didn't underperform in the 1919 World Series (actually Shoeless Joe doesn't belong in the category of those three, he didn't cheat or dishonor the game). At least Schillings misdeeds happened after his career was over and didn't involve baseball.
You can certainly make the case for all four. Gil's rules were to pick three

I was using the Hall of Fame rules for this selection.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:01 pm**

dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:43 pm i am going with Albert Belle and two unpopular choices - Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF before the steriods took over.

What a fun induction day this would be.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:12 pm**

Bonds, Clemons and Schilling.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:24 pm**

TheDancinMonarch wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:12 pm Bonds, Clemons and Schilling.

Outside of Mays, I would NEVER vote for a guy who had a significant chunk of his career with the Giants....

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:52 pm**

JoltinJoe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:01 pm
dbackjon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:43 pm i am going with Albert Belle and two unpopular choices - Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF before the steriods took over.
What a fun induction day this would be.

It would be a blast!!

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:57 pm**

TheDancinMonarch wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:12 pm Bonds, Clemons and Schilling.

That might be the list.

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:21 pm**

Crime Dog is unanimous.

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:53 pm**

PLAYER VOTES (PCT)
Fred McGriff 16 votes, (100%)
Don Mattingly 8 votes, (50%)
Curt Schilling 7 votes (43.8%)
Dale Murphy 6 votes (37.5%)
Albert Belle Less than 4 votes
Barry Bonds Less than 4 votes
Roger Clemens Less than 4 votes
Rafael Palmeiro Less than 4 votes

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