Hellllloooooooooo!JoltinJoe wrote:Another example how the Yankees have been the biggest victims of steroid use in baseball.
They KNOW the Yankmees will pay 150% of the next highest bidder.... 
So you admit that the Yankees have been victimized by steroid use?AZGrizFan wrote:Hellllloooooooooo!JoltinJoe wrote:Another example how the Yankees have been the biggest victims of steroid use in baseball.
The main reason baseball players DO steroids is to get that big fat contract from the NY Yankees.
JoltinJoe wrote:So you admit that the Yankees have been victimized by steroid use?AZGrizFan wrote:
Hellllloooooooooo!
The main reason baseball players DO steroids is to get that big fat contract from the NY Yankees.
Luis Gonzalez, etc., etc.AZGrizFan wrote:JoltinJoe wrote:
So you admit that the Yankees have been victimized by steroid use?
I'm pretty sure they've "benefitted" from it to. See Roger, Andy, etc., etc.
In the 5 seasons in NY where he played atleast 139 games he averaged 36 HR's a season, hardly becoming a 20-25 HR guy.JoltinJoe wrote:Another example how the Yankees have been the biggest victims of steroid use in baseball.
This guy put up huge numbers in Oakland, while he was juicing.
So the Yankees signed him based on those numbers expecting that he would continue to put up those numbers. Instead, for the over $100 million paid to him, all the Yankees got was the downside of Giambi's steroid use: one quirky injury after another; sustained stints on the DL resulting from steroid-created injuries; and an immediate fall from a .330, 40 HR, 130 RBI guy into a .240 hitter with 20-25 HR power. Just another fraud that received a big contract for pretending to be something that he wasn't.
And then it costs the Yankees another $5 million just to cut his sorry azz.
Giambi received $100 million over 7 years by creating the false impression that he was a superstar talent, when he was ultimately just a bulked-up marginal talent. Who says cheaters never prosper?
The joke in New York has been: What do you get when you take Jason Giambi off steroids?
Answer: Jeremy Giambi.
You still have no room to talk . Your team has just as many. And don't even fucking deny it. I'm tired of everyone's "fuck the Yankees" attitude with all posts about them. The Red Cox would still have the Curse if it wasn't for PED's so shut the fuck up.bandl wrote:The A's released Giambi today, who was batting just .193. Blah blah blah, another Yankee steroid-user, what's new.
Yankees, Red Sox... a debate over which team is a bigger collection of overpaid, steroid-addled assholes and who's fans are bigger bandwagon-hopping, obnoxious louts and fuckfaces is sort of like asking which Great Lake is wetter, Superior or Huron...Willie wrote:You still have no room to talk . Your team has just as many. And don't even fucking deny it. I'm tired of everyone's "fuck the Yankees" attitude with all posts about them. The Red Cox would still have the Curse if it wasn't for PED's so shut the fuck up.bandl wrote:The A's released Giambi today, who was batting just .193. Blah blah blah, another Yankee steroid-user, what's new.
I think so...BlueHen86 wrote:Is it me; or are people missing the point of this thread?
I'm flattered you spent so much time and energy responding to me. You do realize that these things that are being said tongue-in-cheek? These conversations have a long history going back to discussions we had on the "Other Sports" Board at AGS.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Joe - bitching about the Yankees being "victimized" by PED's is the most patently absurd thing I've EVER read on this board (and I've read Z and T-Man in the Poli Lounge, and BlackFalkin too). The Yankees were overpaying for declining talent long before Giambino took them for a ride... moreover, bitch all you want about "the way PED's hurt the Yankees" but I'll write you a fricken dissertation on how the Yankees obscene spending on free agents has hurt ALL OF BASEBALL in a much more significant way over the past 20 years. You'll have to excuse me if I find it difficult to shed a tear for the Evil Empire flushing millions away on a couple of steroid-jockeys when for the better part of a decade their operation destabilized half a dozen franchises because they couldn't field a competitive team, because every star they developed was sniped by the Yankees for a gigantic contract.
As for the Red Sox - honest to God, since 2004, they've done more to convince me that there are things worse in the world than the Yankees and their fans... and that's Sawks fans... The Sawks have engaged in all of the same up-bidding for free agents that has created a caste system in the game... and yet pretend like somehow they are any better than the Yankees. Moreover, where the fvck were these Red Sox fans before about 2003??? Now they show up and act like they were "with em all the way" when if you asked them to name more than 5 Sox who played during the 90's (and excluded Clemens, Boggs and Greenwell) they couldn't do it.
He's a democrat, Joe. He takes EVERYTHING seriously.JoltinJoe wrote:I'm flattered you spent so much time and energy responding to me. You do realize that these things that are being said tongue-in-cheek? These conversations have a long history going back to discussions we had on the "Other Sports" Board at AGS.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Joe - bitching about the Yankees being "victimized" by PED's is the most patently absurd thing I've EVER read on this board (and I've read Z and T-Man in the Poli Lounge, and BlackFalkin too). The Yankees were overpaying for declining talent long before Giambino took them for a ride... moreover, bitch all you want about "the way PED's hurt the Yankees" but I'll write you a fricken dissertation on how the Yankees obscene spending on free agents has hurt ALL OF BASEBALL in a much more significant way over the past 20 years. You'll have to excuse me if I find it difficult to shed a tear for the Evil Empire flushing millions away on a couple of steroid-jockeys when for the better part of a decade their operation destabilized half a dozen franchises because they couldn't field a competitive team, because every star they developed was sniped by the Yankees for a gigantic contract.
As for the Red Sox - honest to God, since 2004, they've done more to convince me that there are things worse in the world than the Yankees and their fans... and that's Sawks fans... The Sawks have engaged in all of the same up-bidding for free agents that has created a caste system in the game... and yet pretend like somehow they are any better than the Yankees. Moreover, where the fvck were these Red Sox fans before about 2003??? Now they show up and act like they were "with em all the way" when if you asked them to name more than 5 Sox who played during the 90's (and excluded Clemens, Boggs and Greenwell) they couldn't do it.
2001*
oops...JoltinJoe wrote:I'm flattered you spent so much time and energy responding to me. You do realize that these things that are being said tongue-in-cheek? These conversations have a long history going back to discussions we had on the "Other Sports" Board at AGS.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Joe - bitching about the Yankees being "victimized" by PED's is the most patently absurd thing I've EVER read on this board (and I've read Z and T-Man in the Poli Lounge, and BlackFalkin too). The Yankees were overpaying for declining talent long before Giambino took them for a ride... moreover, bitch all you want about "the way PED's hurt the Yankees" but I'll write you a fricken dissertation on how the Yankees obscene spending on free agents has hurt ALL OF BASEBALL in a much more significant way over the past 20 years. You'll have to excuse me if I find it difficult to shed a tear for the Evil Empire flushing millions away on a couple of steroid-jockeys when for the better part of a decade their operation destabilized half a dozen franchises because they couldn't field a competitive team, because every star they developed was sniped by the Yankees for a gigantic contract.
As for the Red Sox - honest to God, since 2004, they've done more to convince me that there are things worse in the world than the Yankees and their fans... and that's Sawks fans... The Sawks have engaged in all of the same up-bidding for free agents that has created a caste system in the game... and yet pretend like somehow they are any better than the Yankees. Moreover, where the fvck were these Red Sox fans before about 2003??? Now they show up and act like they were "with em all the way" when if you asked them to name more than 5 Sox who played during the 90's (and excluded Clemens, Boggs and Greenwell) they couldn't do it.
2001*
But seriously, the biggest problem in baseball is that the owners with the greatest personal wealth refuse to invest in their teams; and then they dupe their sheep-like fans into complaining about other owners, of significanly less personal wealth, that actually care enough about winning that they re-invest their team's revenues back into the team.
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:oops...JoltinJoe wrote:
I'm flattered you spent so much time and energy responding to me. You do realize that these things that are being said tongue-in-cheek? These conversations have a long history going back to discussions we had on the "Other Sports" Board at AGS.
2001*
But seriously, the biggest problem in baseball is that the owners with the greatest personal wealth refuse to invest in their teams; and then they dupe their sheep-like fans into complaining about other owners, of significanly less personal wealth, that actually care enough about winning that they re-invest their team's revenues back into the team.
you have a point - since the early part of the decade (when revenue sharing really started going) a number of teams, the Twins chief among them, have continued to use the "yankees excuse" rather than pay players (like Torri Hunter and Johan Santana) meanwhile, their fans have been told to accept that it's good enough they are contenders (meanwhile their attendance has gone up significantly, as have revenues)
but from the mid 90's through the early 2000's... i stand by my overly serious point in your tongue-in-cheek thread
AZGrizFan wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
oops...
you have a point - since the early part of the decade (when revenue sharing really started going) a number of teams, the Twins chief among them, have continued to use the "yankees excuse" rather than pay players (like Torri Hunter and Johan Santana) meanwhile, their fans have been told to accept that it's good enough they are contenders (meanwhile their attendance has gone up significantly, as have revenues)
but from the mid 90's through the early 2000's... i stand by my overly serious point in your tongue-in-cheek thread
You rock, TTBF. Totally!
FIFY.JoltinJoe wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
You rock, TTBF. Totally!
And one other thing. 1991*, 1992*, 1993*, 1994*, 1995*, 1996*, 1997*, 1998*, 1999*, 2000*, 2002*, 2003*, 2004*, 2005*, 2006*, 2007*, 2008*.
JoltinJoe wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
You rock, TTBF. Totally!
And one other thing. 1991*.
AZGrizFan wrote:FIFY.JoltinJoe wrote:
And one other thing. 1991*, 1992*, 1993*, 1994*, 1995*, 1996*, 1997*, 1998*, 1999*, 2000*, 2002*, 2003*, 2004*, 2005*, 2006*, 2007*, 2008*.
Hey fuckwad, do you even know who my team is? I'll tell you one thing, the Red Sox are number two on my list of 'Most despicable and hated' teams, one spot behind the Yankees.Willie wrote:You still have no room to talk . Your team has just as many. And don't even **** deny it. I'm tired of everyone's "**** the Yankees" attitude with all posts about them. The Red Cox would still have the Curse if it wasn't for PED's so shut the **** up.bandl wrote:The A's released Giambi today, who was batting just .193. Blah blah blah, another Yankee steroid-user, what's new.
bandl wrote:Hey fuckwad, do you even know who my team is? I'll tell you one thing, the Red Sox are number two on my list of 'Most despicable and hated' teams, one spot behind the Yankees.Willie wrote:
You still have no room to talk . Your team has just as many. And don't even **** deny it. I'm tired of everyone's "**** the Yankees" attitude with all posts about them. The Red Cox would still have the Curse if it wasn't for PED's so shut the **** up.
Aren't you a mod here? Shouldn't you have a little more class?
OK. Now THEM'S fightin' words.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:JoltinJoe wrote:
And one other thing. 1991*.
... I'd look sooner at the 1987 Twins... they of the explosive power hitters Gaetti, Puckett, Hrbek, Brunansky all had 28+ homers (in an era where that kind of power was reserved for 1 guy/team)
the 91 squad was more of a pitching team with gap hitters... and something tells me Morris, Erickson and Tapani weren't so much for the 'roids..
(and yes... too seriously, I know... couldn't resist)
oh and to you and Z 1991= best series ever... and it's no contest.
if it's any consolation, 2001 IS second...AZGrizFan wrote:OK. Now THEM'S fightin' words.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
... I'd look sooner at the 1987 Twins... they of the explosive power hitters Gaetti, Puckett, Hrbek, Brunansky all had 28+ homers (in an era where that kind of power was reserved for 1 guy/team)
the 91 squad was more of a pitching team with gap hitters... and something tells me Morris, Erickson and Tapani weren't so much for the 'roids..
(and yes... too seriously, I know... couldn't resist)
oh and to you and Z 1991= best series ever... and it's no contest.
