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Surprised by the number or Roid Sox on the list

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2003 Steroid List:
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews

I like how the list starts off with eight straight Sox players...

... unless I'm mistaken, the only Phil I see on there is Bobby. Doesn't really surprise me though. Lot of big names on that list.

That is an old list that has been shown to be ffalse. Just someone's wish list of who they thought.

Note how all are well-known players? A real list, based on random testing, would have many scrubs on it.

dbackjon wrote:That is an old list that has been shown to be ffalse. Just someone's wish list of who they thought.

Note how all are well-known players? A real list, based on random testing, would have many scrubs on it.

I only counted 36 well-know players.

dbackjon wrote:That is an old list that has been shown to be ffalse. Just someone's wish list of who they thought.

Note how all are well-known players? A real list, based on random testing, would have many scrubs on it.

That was my first thought, I recognized all but 3 or 4 players on that list.

Gil Dobie wrote:

dbackjon wrote:That is an old list that has been shown to be ffalse. Just someone's wish list of who they thought.

Note how all are well-known players? A real list, based on random testing, would have many scrubs on it.

I only counted 36 well-know players.

Over 75 All-Stars (off the top of my head). Really, only two players I have never heard much about.

dbackjon wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
I only counted 36 well-know players.

Over 75 All-Stars (off the top of my head). Really, only two players I have never heard much about.

I've heard of them all, but I deal with this stuff every day. All-Star does not equal well-known.

Now we know why many became all-stars

Gil Dobie wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
Over 75 All-Stars (off the top of my head). Really, only two players I have never heard much about.

I've heard of them all, but I deal with this stuff every day. All-Star does not equal well-known.

Explain? You deal steroids every day?

Abreu was the only 2003 Phillies juicer? If the selfish bastard would have shared with a few of his teammates we might have been able to make a run at the division that year.

SunCoastBlueHen wrote:Abreu was the only 2003 Phillies juicer? If the selfish bastard would have shared with a few of his teammates we might have been able to make a run at the division that year.

Look at all the O's on that list...and yet, they still stink...

bandl wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
I've heard of them all, but I deal with this stuff every day. All-Star does not equal well-known.

Explain? You deal steroids every day?

I've heard of the players because I deal with baseball memorabila every day. Steroid use can turn a valuable piece of memorabilia one day into a piece of shiat the next.

Current testing that far more steriod users are those that are trying to MAKE the big leagues.


I follow baseball, but not to the extent of fantasy leagues, etc.

And I knew 101 of those players.

SunCoastBlueHen wrote:Abreu was the only 2003 Phillies juicer? If the selfish bastard would have shared with a few of his teammates we might have been able to make a run at the division that year.

I think some of the Phils from that era were on some other stuff. We used to see a homeless guy in the parking lot outside the stadium while we were tailgating during the 2005 season. He used to come by and ask us for some "papers" or if we could give him some money so he could get a "rock"... guy looked eerily like Doug Glanville...

Gil Dobie wrote:Surprised by the number or Roid Sox on the list

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2003 Steroid List:
27.Brent Abernathy
32.Craig Monroe
50.Ben Weber
61.Terry Adams
64.Hector Almonte
66.Dan Smith

These are the only 6 guys I don't know much about.

Looks like somebody put together a list of "oft-injured" stars and decided they must ALL be on the juice.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:Surprised by the number or Roid Sox on the list

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2003 Steroid List:
27.Brent Abernathy
32.Craig Monroe
50.Ben Weber
61.Terry Adams
64.Hector Almonte
66.Dan Smith

These are the only 6 guys I don't know much about.

Looks like somebody put together a list of "oft-injured" stars and decided they must ALL be on the juice.

It must be accurate because Luis Gonzalez is on it.

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
These are the only 6 guys I don't know much about.

Looks like somebody put together a list of "oft-injured" stars and decided they must ALL be on the juice.

It must be accurate because Luis Gonzalez is on it.

Theres no WAY this guy was on the juice.

AZGrizFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
It must be accurate because Luis Gonzalez is on it.

Theres no WAY this guy was on the juice.

I don't know. Let's compare two photos: Gonzalez in 2001 and as a rookie in 1991:

Gonzalez in 2001:









Rookie year, 1991:

AZGrizFan wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:Surprised by the number or Roid Sox on the list

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2003 Steroid List:
27.Brent Abernathy
32.Craig Monroe
50.Ben Weber
61.Terry Adams
64.Hector Almonte
66.Dan Smith

These are the only 6 guys I don't know much about.

Looks like somebody put together a list of "oft-injured" stars and decided they must ALL be on the juice.

Abernathy was an infielder for the Rays (and a bunch of other teams) all glove, no stick (and the glove was only good)
Monroe - a guy who put up spotty big power in the Tiger and Ranger organization (owing to the roids it appears) ended up with the Twins for a worthless season
Weber - bespectacled (chris sabo goggles) reliever for the Angels during the 02 run to the WS
Adams - 5th starter/long reliever for a bunch of teams
Almonte - dunno i think he was a yankee prospect
Smith - I think was a Rangers prospect and A's pitcher briefly in 02-03ish

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Theres no WAY this guy was on the juice.

I don't know. Let's compare two photos: Gonzalez in 2001 and as a rookie in 1991:

Gonzalez in 2001:









Rookie year, 1991:

check
mate.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
I don't know. Let's compare two photos: Gonzalez in 2001 and as a rookie in 1991:

Gonzalez in 2001:









Rookie year, 1991:

check
mate.

Hell, that's why I posted the rookie pic. That ALONE gave him his ammo...

Gil Dobie wrote:

dbackjon wrote:That is an old list that has been shown to be ffalse. Just someone's wish list of who they thought.

Note how all are well-known players? A real list, based on random testing, would have many scrubs on it.

I only counted 36 well-know players.

Define well known. Are you citing a fan survey? Or just your opinion?

JoltinJoe wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Theres no WAY this guy was on the juice.

I don't know. Let's compare two photos: Gonzalez in 2001 and as a rookie in 1991:

Gonzalez in 2001:









Rookie year, 1991:

He's like the opposite of the incredible hulk...don't make him angry, you wouldn't like to see him play when he's angry...

There is a discrepancy in the number of people even on the list. Heck, they don't even clearly state what the list tested for. It may have been anything from weed to creatine to anabolic.

clenz wrote:There is a discrepancy in the number of people even on the list. Heck, they don't even clearly state what the list tested for. It may have been anything from weed to creatine to anabolic.

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There are also rumored to be some "clean" people on the list - players that WANTED mandatory testing, which would only go into effect if 5% of those tested failed. You can fail by REFUSING to get tested, so some of the clean players refused to be tested in order to be counted as a fail.