At this point Rubio would have to turn a Lenin left for me to vote for anything the donks are putting forward.kalm wrote:I'm just trying to help you conks remain conservative.CID1990 wrote:
So I'm guessing Lee Fang is a conservative disillusioned with Rubio?
CID1990 wrote:At this point Rubio would have to turn a Lenin left for me to vote for anything the donks are putting forward.kalm wrote:
I'm just trying to help you conks remain conservative.
Jim Webb really should have stayed in the debates.
No president since the 1860's has reduced the size of GovernmentSDHornet wrote:I think the comical part is anyone believing any of these candidates on either side will actually shrink the role/size of government.
How did Coolidge do?Chizzang wrote:No president since the 1860's has reduced the size of GovernmentSDHornet wrote:I think the comical part is anyone believing any of these candidates on either side will actually shrink the role/size of government.
Measured on arrival date to departure date of term
In fact the ones that preached the hardest on "reducing Government"
were some of the worst offenders
well no president has reduced the population, eitherChizzang wrote:No president since the 1860's has reduced the size of GovernmentSDHornet wrote:I think the comical part is anyone believing any of these candidates on either side will actually shrink the role/size of government.
Measured on arrival date to departure date of term
In fact the ones that preached the hardest on "reducing Government"
were some of the worst offenders
CID1990 wrote:well no president has reduced the population, eitherChizzang wrote:
No president since the 1860's has reduced the size of Government
Measured on arrival date to departure date of term
In fact the ones that preached the hardest on "reducing Government"
were some of the worst offenders
except maybe Lincoln
government will always grow - I'd just like to see it operate within its means
BDKJMU wrote:Iowa Upset! Yesterday everyone had Trump winning this thing-the last 13 Iowa polls had Trump winning, with Rubio a distant 3rd. But not the case. Huge night for the Cubans...
Cruz 28%
Trump 24%
Rubio 23%
Carson 9%
Paul 5%
Bush 3%
Fiorina 2%
Kasich 2%
Huckabee 2%
Christie 2%
Santorum 1%
Gilmore <1%
Its a 3 man race. The other 9 should just drop out..
Christian Morality - its brutal Well isn't that what fiscal conservatism is? Being opposed to spending like there are no consequences?Chizzang wrote:CID1990 wrote:
well no president has reduced the population, either
except maybe Lincoln
government will always grow - I'd just like to see it operate within its means
Within its means..?
You mean like operate with a budget - and meet that budget..?
You're cute when you sound like me
Make it 8. Huckabee just announced in the last hour he is suspending his campaign.BDKJMU wrote:Iowa Upset! Yesterday everyone had Trump winning this thing-the last 13 Iowa polls had Trump winning, with Rubio a distant 3rd. But not the case. Huge night for the Cubans...
Cruz 28%
Trump 24%
Rubio 23%
Carson 9%
Paul 5%
Bush 3%
Fiorina 2%
Kasich 2%
Huckabee 2%
Christie 2%
Santorum 1%
Gilmore <1%
Its a 3 man race. The other 9 should just drop out..
Bump..BDKJMU wrote:The 17 announced candidates, 11 remain:
-Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator from Texas since 2013; Solicitor General of Texas 2003–2008. Announced 3/23/15.
-Rand Paul, U.S. Senator from Kentucky since 2011. Announced 4/7/15.
-Marco Rubio, U.S. Senator from Florida since 2011; Florida Speaker of the House 2007-2008. Announced 4/13/15.
-Ben Carson: Author and former Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery for Johns Hopkins Hospital. Announced 5/3/15.
-Carly Fiorina, former Hewlett-Packard CEO. Announced 5/4/15.
-Rick Santorum, U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania 1995-2007; Presidential candidate in the 2012 election. Announced 5/27/15.
-Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida 1999–2007. Announced 6/15/15.
-Donald Trump, business magnate and television personality from New York. Announced on 6/16/15.
-Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey since 2010. Announced on 6/29/15.
John Kasich, Governor of Ohio since 2011. Also 18 years in Congress as a Rep from Ohio from 1983-2001. Announced on 7/21/15.
Jim Gilmore, former Gov of Virginia 1998-2002, Atty Gen of VA. Served 4 years in the Army (intel). Announced 7/29/15.
DROPPED OUT
-Rick Perry, Governor of Texas 2000–2015; Lieutenant Governor of Texas 1999–2000; presidential candidate in 2012. 5 years in Air Force, flew C-130s. Announced on 6/4/15, dropped out on 9/11/15.
-Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin since 2011. Announced on 7/13/15. Dropped out on 9/21/15.
-Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana since 2008; U.S. Representative from Louisiana 2005–2008. Announced on 6/24/15. Dropped out on 11/17/15.
-Lindsey Graham, U.S. Senator from South Carolina since 2003; U.S. Representative from South Carolina 1995–2003. 6 years Army JAG, 26 years National Guard & Reserve. Announced 6/1/15. Dropped out on 12/21/15.
-George Pataki, Governor of New York 1995-2006. Announced on 5/28/15. Dropped out on 12/29/15.
-Mike Huckabee, Governor of Arkansas 1996–2007; presidential candidate in 2008. Announced 5/5/15. Dropped out on 2/1/16.
Cruz winning didn't really surprise me. It's a lot harder to get your supporters out to vote in a caucus than a primary. Trump really didn't have the ground game to accomplish that. The establishment has been beating on Cruz really hard the last couple of weeks, particularly over ethanol, which hurt his final number. What surprised me was the number that coalesced around Rubio for his final number.BDKJMU wrote:Iowa Upset! Yesterday everyone had Trump winning this thing-the last 13 Iowa polls had Trump winning, with Rubio a distant 3rd. But not the case. Huge night for the Cubans...
Cruz 28%
Trump 24%
Rubio 23%
Carson 9%
Paul 5%
Bush 3%
Fiorina 2%
Kasich 2%
Huckabee 2%
Christie 2%
Santorum 1%
Gilmore <1%
Its a 3 man race. The other 9 should just drop out..
I wonder if it will be that long. I heard a rumor that Trump has a flight scheduled to Little Rock sometime in the next few days.DSUrocks07 wrote:I expect Huckabee to support Trump after New Hampshire
The Democrats in Iowa don't believe in one man one vote. They also don't believe in secret ballots. It's a way to control the outcome. Because of the screwed up way the Dems vote Bernie is calling on the Iowa Dem Party to release the vote totals. The only way they will do that is if Hillary won the total vote count.93henfan wrote:I will not vote for Ted Cruz.
I also find the Iowa caucus to be extremely dumb. In a statistical dead heat on the Dem side, Hillary won two coin flips to win two tied caucuses? What in the actual fuck?
It's fucking 2016. Just count votes! JFC!!!
More than 2. And Hillary won all of them.93henfan wrote:In a statistical dead heat on the Dem side, Hillary won two coin flips to win two tied caucuses? What in the actual fuck?
It's fucking 2016. Just count votes! JFC!!!
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/ ... /79680342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;A Clinton supporter correctly called “heads” on a quarter flipped in the air, and Clinton received a fifth delegate.
Similar situations were reported elsewhere, including at a precinct in Des Moines, at another precinct in Des Moines, in Newton, in West Branch and in Davenport. In all five situations, Clinton won the toss.
Cruz is unelectable in the general but I think he hurts Trump a little. The longer he stays in, the better for Rubio.HI54UNI wrote:Cruz winning didn't really surprise me. It's a lot harder to get your supporters out to vote in a caucus than a primary. Trump really didn't have the ground game to accomplish that. The establishment has been beating on Cruz really hard the last couple of weeks, particularly over ethanol, which hurt his final number. What surprised me was the number that coalesced around Rubio for his final number.BDKJMU wrote:Iowa Upset! Yesterday everyone had Trump winning this thing-the last 13 Iowa polls had Trump winning, with Rubio a distant 3rd. But not the case. Huge night for the Cubans...
Cruz 28%
Trump 24%
Rubio 23%
Carson 9%
Paul 5%
Bush 3%
Fiorina 2%
Kasich 2%
Huckabee 2%
Christie 2%
Santorum 1%
Gilmore <1%
Its a 3 man race. The other 9 should just drop out..
Leave it to a Clinton to be the 1 in 32 times somebody wins 5 coin flips in a row. Some people make their own luck.Skjellyfetti wrote:More than 2. And Hillary won all of them.93henfan wrote:In a statistical dead heat on the Dem side, Hillary won two coin flips to win two tied caucuses? What in the actual fuck?
It's fucking 2016. Just count votes! JFC!!!
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/ ... /79680342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;A Clinton supporter correctly called “heads” on a quarter flipped in the air, and Clinton received a fifth delegate.
Similar situations were reported elsewhere, including at a precinct in Des Moines, at another precinct in Des Moines, in Newton, in West Branch and in Davenport. In all five situations, Clinton won the toss.
Expandos calling the coin tosses rigged in 3,2,1....Skjellyfetti wrote:More than 2. And Hillary won all of them.93henfan wrote:In a statistical dead heat on the Dem side, Hillary won two coin flips to win two tied caucuses? What in the actual ****?
It's **** 2016. Just count votes! JFC!!!
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/ ... /79680342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;A Clinton supporter correctly called “heads” on a quarter flipped in the air, and Clinton received a fifth delegate.
Similar situations were reported elsewhere, including at a precinct in Des Moines, at another precinct in Des Moines, in Newton, in West Branch and in Davenport. In all five situations, Clinton won the toss.
No, there were 6 coin tosses, and Hillary won all 6!93henfan wrote:Leave it to a Clinton to be the 1 in 32 times somebody wins 5 coin flips in a row. Some people make their own luck.Skjellyfetti wrote:
More than 2. And Hillary won all of them.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/ ... /79680342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So 1 in 64? 
