Blind partisan homer.AZGrizFan wrote:Negative, ghostrider.dbackjon wrote:
Rove, Wolf, Cheney et al were far, far worse.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.

Blind partisan homer.AZGrizFan wrote:Negative, ghostrider.dbackjon wrote:
Rove, Wolf, Cheney et al were far, far worse.
dbackjon wrote:Blind partisan homer.AZGrizFan wrote:
Negative, ghostrider.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.

I don't see Chaney, Rove or Wolf as trusted advisors to any of the current Republican candidates. Therefore irrelevant to the future if a Republican wins.dbackjon wrote:Rove, Wolf, Cheney et al were far, far worse.Ibanez wrote:
Rove and Wolfowitz weren't any better.

Either that, or in jail.LeadBolt wrote:
On the other hand, I would expect to see 3-5 of the following Clinton, Kerry, Emmanuel, Holder, Jarrett, Browner, etc. as players in a Democratic administration and there fore relevant to the future if a Democrat wins.
dbackjon wrote:Blind partisan homer.AZGrizFan wrote:
Negative, ghostrider.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.

Or pardoned with an office at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Here's an interesting thought, can a President pardon herself, if not impeached?CAA Flagship wrote:Either that, or in jail.LeadBolt wrote:
On the other hand, I would expect to see 3-5 of the following Clinton, Kerry, Emmanuel, Holder, Jarrett, Browner, etc. as players in a Democratic administration and there fore relevant to the future if a Democrat wins.

I don't know. I would think he would recognize one quite easily.Ibanez wrote:dbackjon wrote:
Blind partisan homer.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.
Jon. Seriously. C'mon. Seriously. Dude. You are the LAST person to call someone out as a "blind partisan homer."![]()

I imagine jon laughing out loud as he typed that.Ibanez wrote:dbackjon wrote:
Blind partisan homer.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.
Jon. Seriously. C'mon. Seriously. Dude. You are the LAST person to call someone out as a "blind partisan homer."![]()

Wolfowitz and Negroponte were both FO advisors for Jeb, at least last year.LeadBolt wrote:I don't see Chaney, Rove or Wolf as trusted advisors to any of the current Republican candidates. Therefore irrelevant to the future if a Republican wins.dbackjon wrote:
Rove, Wolf, Cheney et al were far, far worse.
On the other hand, I would expect to see 3-5 of the following Clinton, Kerry, Emmanuel, Holder, Jarrett, Browner, etc. as players in a Democratic administration and there fore relevant to the future if a Democrat wins.

He's been laying the wood to the conks lately like nobody but a Citadel freshman can appreciate.HI54UNI wrote:I imagine jon laughing out loud as he typed that.Ibanez wrote:
Jon. Seriously. C'mon. Seriously. Dude. You are the LAST person to call someone out as a "blind partisan homer."![]()
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So you believe that Jeb has a reasonable chance of becoming the Republican nominee and winning?kalm wrote:Wolfowitz and Negroponte were both FO advisors for Jeb, at least last year.LeadBolt wrote:
I don't see Chaney, Rove or Wolf as trusted advisors to any of the current Republican candidates. Therefore irrelevant to the future if a Republican wins.
On the other hand, I would expect to see 3-5 of the following Clinton, Kerry, Emmanuel, Holder, Jarrett, Browner, etc. as players in a Democratic administration and there fore relevant to the future if a Democrat wins.![]()

Yeah thats bad esp considering I live in PACID1990 wrote:Erie is a town in PennsylvaniaBDKJMU wrote:
On the one hand its erie the Obama-Rubio comparisons.But at least Rubio is a lot more qualified than Obama was at this point in 2008.
Obama: 8 years state legislator, 2 years in the US Senate when he declared his candidacy for president at the age of 45. Law degree, taught law classes, spent time practicing law.
Rubio: 9 years as a state legislator, 4 years in the US Senate when he declared his candidacy for president at the age of 43 (now 44). Law degree, taught law classes, spent time practicing law.
But here is where they differ: Obama spent a large portion of his time in the Illinois state legislature voting "present". Rubio was elected majority whip in 2000 at age 29, house leader in 2002 at age 31, and speaker in 2005 at age 35. A meteoric political rise. Obama had nothing like that in the Illinois state legislature.

You didn't qualify your original remark and I didn't say that.LeadBolt wrote:So you believe that Jeb has a reasonable chance of becoming the Republican nominee and winning?kalm wrote:
Wolfowitz and Negroponte were both FO advisors for Jeb, at least last year.![]()
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I would think the statement "Republican wins" would qualify it, although I did say "current Republican candidates" in my mind, Jeb is history, although he does qualify as a current candidate, and those folks in question did advise his family when they were in office.kalm wrote:You didn't qualify your original remark and I didn't say that.LeadBolt wrote:
So you believe that Jeb has a reasonable chance of becoming the Republican nominee and winning?![]()
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I hope none of the rest would lick them up but these types tend to float in and out of government for decades. See Rummy.

More scandalsdbackjon wrote:Blind partisan homer.AZGrizFan wrote:
Negative, ghostrider.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.


Links?AZGrizFan wrote:More scandalsdbackjon wrote:
Blind partisan homer.
By any reasonable measure, The Obama Admin is far superior than Bush, Bush I or Reagan's disastrous reigns.
More ambassadors killed
More soldiers killed
More debt
More gridlock
More destabilized countries
More cowtowing to Russia
More abandoning of allies
More sucking up to terrorists
More confusion
More suckage
You're right. There WERE some things Obama was better at.

#obvioussoobviouskalm wrote:Links?AZGrizFan wrote:
More scandals
More ambassadors killed
More soldiers killed
More debt
More gridlock
More destabilized countries
More cowtowing to Russia
More abandoning of allies
More sucking up to terrorists
More confusion
More suckage
You're right. There WERE some things Obama was better at.
And I'm pretty sure there are still more indictments of Reagan officials than any other presidency. Not to say I'm supportive of Obama.
I'm post partisan like that.
Don't make me whip out some Facebook meme's!


I don't speak Twitter, Junior.AZGrizFan wrote:#obvioussoobviouskalm wrote:
Links?
And I'm pretty sure there are still more indictments of Reagan officials than any other presidency. Not to say I'm supportive of Obama.
I'm post partisan like that.
Don't make me whip out some Facebook meme's!

It's not a matter of how great Rubio is. Trump is the problem. If Christie was going to engage in that kind of thing he should've been directing it at the problem.Apparently JSO feels that everyone else on the stage should have attacked Trump and play up how great Rubio is.


You're......welcome?kalm wrote:I don't speak Twitter, Junior.AZGrizFan wrote:
#obvioussoobvious
But I still don't see any links!![]()
I can see I'm now forced to produce some FB memes that will be easily refuted.
Thanks!


Succinctly put, Lee Harvey SO.JohnStOnge wrote:It's not a matter of how great Rubio is. Trump is the problem. If Christie was going to engage in that kind of thing he should've been directing it at the problem.Apparently JSO feels that everyone else on the stage should have attacked Trump and play up how great Rubio is.
He went after Rubio for not being qualified. You think TRUMP is qualified? Hell no he's not. He's the least friggin' qualified person in the Republican field. And HE is the threat. Not Rubio.
Kristie's a **** dick head.

It still doesnt make sense for Christie to attack Trump NOW. If he can get some traction from this moment and maybe get up from the single digits, then he could make a move up.JohnStOnge wrote:It's not a matter of how great Rubio is. Trump is the problem. If Christie was going to engage in that kind of thing he should've been directing it at the problem.Apparently JSO feels that everyone else on the stage should have attacked Trump and play up how great Rubio is.
He went after Rubio for not being qualified. You think TRUMP is qualified? Hell no he's not. He's the least friggin' qualified person in the Republican field. And HE is the threat. Not Rubio.
Kristie's a **** dick head.

LeadBolt wrote:The Christie beat down of Rubio would appear to be positioning himself to be the VP nominee attack dog, should he not breakout. It serves to move him up in the polls and showcasing what he's best at in quick thought and rhetoric from the stump. He must have seen Rubio as the easiest target and the least likely to pick him as VP.


I view it as this: The current order is:LeadBolt wrote:The Christie beat down of Rubio would appear to be positioning himself to be the VP nominee attack dog, should he not breakout. It serves to move him up in the polls and showcasing what he's best at in quick thought and rhetoric from the stump. He must have seen Rubio as the easiest target and the least likely to pick him as VP.
