Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[JohnStOnge]

I don't think he thought David Duke was a pathological liar. Besides, he probably has multiple lines in the sand to be crossed.

You know, Duke is probably NOT a pathological liar to the extent that Trump is. I'm sure if I Googled I could find instances where he lied. But for the most part he is straight up. He's not the sort how, for instance, says something one day then the very next day tries to claim he didn't say it. At least not like Trump does.

[kalm]

Wonder what the progdonks think of this? Are they really going to vote for Hilldog?

http://fortune.com/2016/06/20/wall-stre ... th-warren/

One of many reasons they shouldn't.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/21/ano ... te-warren/

Wall Street and establishment media truly seemed threatened by Warren though.

[CID1990]

I said somewhere on this forum a longtime ago that Clinton was going to look long and hard at Julian Castro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I think if Rubio had been the GOP nominee then Castro would have definitely been the one. Now that Clinton needs the Bernie idiots she might look at Fauxcahontas. But I think they hate each other so there's that.

[Ibanez]

I said somewhere on this forum a longtime ago that Clinton was going to look long and hard at Julian Castro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I think if Rubio had been the GOP nominee then Castro would have definitely been the one. Now that Clinton needs the Bernie idiots she might look at Fauxcahontas. But I think they hate each other so there's that.

Word on the street is that Clinton and Warren don't like one another. Wall Streets hates Warren, almost as much as many in her own party do. If she chose Warren, then Clinton can say hello to Sanders supporters.

[kalm]

I said somewhere on this forum a longtime ago that Clinton was going to look long and hard at Julian Castro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I think if Rubio had been the GOP nominee then Castro would have definitely been the one. Now that Clinton needs the Bernie idiots she might look at Fauxcahontas. But I think they hate each other so there's that.

Word on the street is that Clinton and Warren don't like one another. Wall Streets hates Warren, almost as much as many in her own party do. If she chose Warren, then Clinton can say goodbye to Sanders supporters.

Wouldn't Sanders supporters be the reason to PICK Warren?

[Ibanez]

Word on the street is that Clinton and Warren don't like one another. Wall Streets hates Warren, almost as much as many in her own party do. If she chose Warren, then Clinton can say hello to Sanders supporters.

Wouldn't Sanders supporters be the reason to PICK Warren?

Sorry, meant, '"say hello".

[Ivytalk]

Wouldn't Sanders supporters be the reason to PICK Warren?

Sorry, meant, '"say hello".

But perhaps "goodbye" to at least some big Wall Street donors.

[Ibanez]

Sorry, meant, '"say hello".

But perhaps "goodbye" to at least some big Wall Street donors.

Perhaps.

[Ivytalk]

But perhaps "goodbye" to at least some big Wall Street donors.

Perhaps.

I know Blankfein lusts after Fauxcahontas.

[Ibanez]

Perhaps.

I know Blankfein lusts after Fauxcahontas.

It's no secret that many on Wall Street loathe her with extreme prejudice.

[GannonFan]

I know Blankfein lusts after Fauxcahontas.

It's no secret that many on Wall Street loathe her with extreme prejudice.

And that's why I don't see Clinton picking her. Clinton is the darling of Wall Street, why would she pick a Vice President that would argue with her night and day about her own ties to Wall Street?

[Skjellyfetti]

She's made a career of speaking out of both sides of her mouth.

A ticket that speaks out of both sides of its mouth would be pretty consistent.

[Ibanez]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7734

Republican Donald Trump has capitalized on this problem and constantly referred to former Secretary of State Clinton as “Crooked Hillary”, and is even giving an entire speech this afternoon to highlight her “failed policies and bad judgment.”

Is this an effective strategy? Do young voters know—or care—about Hillary’s past missteps?

Campus Reform hit the streets to find out, and the results were fascinating.

Nearly every young person we spoke with was shocked to learn that the list of quotes presented to them belonged entirely to Hillary Clinton and not Donald Trump.

“Which candidate made a joke about colored people time saying that black people are always late?” Campus Reform asked.

“Trump... because he’s racist,” one student responded.

“Which candidate suggested a 12 year-old rape victim made up accusations because she enjoyed ‘fantasizing about older men’,” we asked.

Students were again shocked to discover the answer was not Trump, but Hillary.

“What she said about the rape victim was the worst,” a student replied.

“She’s kind of a sketchy person because she is about feminism and everything, but then I saw this quote,” another noted with a sense of betrayal.

[YoUDeeMan]

Wonder what the progdonks think of this? Are they really going to vote for Hilldog?

http://fortune.com/2016/06/20/wall-stre ... th-warren/

One of many reasons they shouldn't.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/21/ano ... te-warren/

Wall Street and establishment media truly seemed threatened by Warren though.

Uh-oh...it doesn't sound as though Politico has any journalistic standards.

Surprise.

Don't tell JSO.

[BDKJMU]

"Nearly Half of Sanders Supporters Won't Support Clinton

....A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson......"
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... rt-clinton

[BDKJMU]

"Bernie-backing activists to 'crash' Democratic convention

"If the Democratic Party wants to put on a $50 million infomercial saying, 'Hey vote for us,' without committing to make this the last corrupt, billionaire-nominated voter suppression-marred election, then we're going to crash the party," said Kai Newkirk, director of Democracy Spring, a nonpartisan activist coalition dedicated to "mass nonviolent action" against big money in politics.

The mostly independent organizers behind Sanders' "political revolution" emerged from the "People's Summit" in Chicago this weekend primed to launch a new wave of pressure on the party elite. Former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner, a top surrogate for the Vermont senator's campaign, gave a stem-winding call to action after telling reporters she expected "hundreds of thousands of people out there" in Philadelphia at the convention.

"That's America -- we are about the protest," she said. "We are about having a righteous indignation. We can no longer stand by and have business as usual."

In April, Democracy Spring and its allies launched an eight-day "direct action" on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. More than 1,400 people were arrested, but not before nearly 100 members of Congress called for hearings on the campaign finance reform and voting rights measures lobbied for by protesters.

The group, one of dozens currently planning demonstrations, is hoping to replicate and amplify its Washington, D.C., efforts with plans to disrupt the Democrats' quadrennial confab. The Republican convention in Cleveland is also on the docket, but the focus for now remains primarily on Philadelphia........."
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/22/polit ... index.html

[DSUrocks07]

"Bernie-backing activists to 'crash' Democratic convention

"If the Democratic Party wants to put on a $50 million infomercial saying, 'Hey vote for us,' without committing to make this the last corrupt, billionaire-nominated voter suppression-marred election, then we're going to crash the party," said Kai Newkirk, director of Democracy Spring, a nonpartisan activist coalition dedicated to "mass nonviolent action" against big money in politics.

The mostly independent organizers behind Sanders' "political revolution" emerged from the "People's Summit" in Chicago this weekend primed to launch a new wave of pressure on the party elite. Former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner, a top surrogate for the Vermont senator's campaign, gave a stem-winding call to action after telling reporters she expected "hundreds of thousands of people out there" in Philadelphia at the convention.

"That's America -- we are about the protest," she said. "We are about having a righteous indignation. We can no longer stand by and have business as usual."

In April, Democracy Spring and its allies launched an eight-day "direct action" on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. More than 1,400 people were arrested, but not before nearly 100 members of Congress called for hearings on the campaign finance reform and voting rights measures lobbied for by protesters.

The group, one of dozens currently planning demonstrations, is hoping to replicate and amplify its Washington, D.C., efforts with plans to disrupt the Democrats' quadrennial confab. The Republican convention in Cleveland is also on the docket, but the focus for now remains primarily on Philadelphia........."
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/22/polit ... index.html

"The Democratic Party is more united than ever..."

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[kalm]

"Bernie-backing activists to 'crash' Democratic convention

"If the Democratic Party wants to put on a $50 million infomercial saying, 'Hey vote for us,' without committing to make this the last corrupt, billionaire-nominated voter suppression-marred election, then we're going to crash the party," said Kai Newkirk, director of Democracy Spring, a nonpartisan activist coalition dedicated to "mass nonviolent action" against big money in politics.

The mostly independent organizers behind Sanders' "political revolution" emerged from the "People's Summit" in Chicago this weekend primed to launch a new wave of pressure on the party elite. Former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner, a top surrogate for the Vermont senator's campaign, gave a stem-winding call to action after telling reporters she expected "hundreds of thousands of people out there" in Philadelphia at the convention.

"That's America -- we are about the protest," she said. "We are about having a righteous indignation. We can no longer stand by and have business as usual."

In April, Democracy Spring and its allies launched an eight-day "direct action" on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. More than 1,400 people were arrested, but not before nearly 100 members of Congress called for hearings on the campaign finance reform and voting rights measures lobbied for by protesters.

The group, one of dozens currently planning demonstrations, is hoping to replicate and amplify its Washington, D.C., efforts with plans to disrupt the Democrats' quadrennial confab. The Republican convention in Cleveland is also on the docket, but the focus for now remains primarily on Philadelphia........."
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/22/polit ... index.html

"The Democratic Party is more united than ever..."

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This.

I've been seeing a potential split for months.

[CID1990]

"Bernie-backing activists to 'crash' Democratic convention

"If the Democratic Party wants to put on a $50 million infomercial saying, 'Hey vote for us,' without committing to make this the last corrupt, billionaire-nominated voter suppression-marred election, then we're going to crash the party," said Kai Newkirk, director of Democracy Spring, a nonpartisan activist coalition dedicated to "mass nonviolent action" against big money in politics.

The mostly independent organizers behind Sanders' "political revolution" emerged from the "People's Summit" in Chicago this weekend primed to launch a new wave of pressure on the party elite. Former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner, a top surrogate for the Vermont senator's campaign, gave a stem-winding call to action after telling reporters she expected "hundreds of thousands of people out there" in Philadelphia at the convention.

"That's America -- we are about the protest," she said. "We are about having a righteous indignation. We can no longer stand by and have business as usual."

In April, Democracy Spring and its allies launched an eight-day "direct action" on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. More than 1,400 people were arrested, but not before nearly 100 members of Congress called for hearings on the campaign finance reform and voting rights measures lobbied for by protesters.

The group, one of dozens currently planning demonstrations, is hoping to replicate and amplify its Washington, D.C., efforts with plans to disrupt the Democrats' quadrennial confab. The Republican convention in Cleveland is also on the docket, but the focus for now remains primarily on Philadelphia........."
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/22/polit ... index.html

What kind of name is Kai?

Is that like chinese for faggot or something?


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[JohnStOnge]

"Nearly Half of Sanders Supporters Won't Support Clinton

....A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson......"
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... rt-clinton

Just as a point of reference to keep things in perspective:

It's fine if you like that detail of that particular poll. But that particular poll put Clinton up 12 points on Trump overall. So in that particular poll the details of what Sanders voters would do are kind of moot. If that particular poll is right it says that if the election were held right after the poll was taken Clinton would cream Trump.

Otherwise: I think Clinton will do fine with Sanders supporters once Sanders gets on board. And I think he will get on board. As many have pointed out, the same kind of situation was going on with Clinton supporters in 2012. Here's one from the 2008 election season mentioning a poll in which 56% of Clinton supporters said they were not likely to vote for Obama:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cli ... for-obama/

When all is said and done, the overwhelming majority of people who voted for Sanders in the primaries are going to vote for Clinton in the General election. That is unless she gets whacked by the FBI and the Democrats have to try to field another candidate. But if they're able to field another candidate in that scenario the overwhelming majority of them are going to vote for that Democratic candidate.

They're not going to vote for Trump because Sanders is going to be telling them that Trump is Satan.

[CAA Flagship]

Uh oh. Trump looked, sounded, and acted "presidential" during his press conference today.

[JohnStOnge]

Just in case you're interested in reading a discussion of NAFTA's impacts on the US Labor Market that appears to be balanced:

Wide disagreement persists on how and to what degree NAFTA accounts for changes in net employment from adjustments in the labor market. Supporters of NAFTA, and many economists, see a positive impact on U.S. employment and note that new export-related jobs in the United States pay 15 to 20 percent more on average than those focused on domestic production. But side effects of the treaty should not be ignored. Edward Alden, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, notes that wages haven't kept pace with labor productivity and that income inequality in the United States has risen in recent years, in part due to pressures on the U.S. manufacturing base. To some extent, he says, trade deals have hastened the pace of these changes in that they have "reinforced the globalization of the American economy."

Opponents of NAFTA take a starker position. Thea M. Lee, the deputy chief of staff at the AFL-CIO, which opposes NAFTA and lobbies against other free-trade agreements unless they include provisions that raise labor and environmental standards, said that NAFTA forced "workers into more direct competition with each other, while assuring them fewer rights and protections." Public Citizen, the left-leaning Washington nonprofit consumer rights organization, said in a report that the "grand promises made by NAFTA's proponents remain unfulfilled" [PDF] twenty years after implementation and resulted in the loss of one million U.S. jobs by 2004.

But most economists say it is a stretch to blame these shifts on NAFTA. Manufacturing in the United States was under stress decades before the treaty, and job losses in that sector are viewed as part of a structural shift in the U.S. economy toward light manufacturing and high-end services. Alden says that broader economic trends affecting U.S. employment, such as China's economic rise, wouldn't be substantially altered by U.S. policy shifts toward NAFTA.

From http://www.cfr.org/trade/naftas-economic-impact/p15790

The take away is that it's not at all clear that American workers are worse off, on average and on balance, as a result of NAFTA and it may be that they are actually better off.

[DSUrocks07]

They're not going to vote for Trump because Sanders is going to be telling them that Trump is Satan.

Which will be the greatest irony of them all, because these new age liberal progressives expose themselves as being "educated free thinkers", and at the end of the day they're just going to prove to be the lemmings they always have been by voting for HRC.

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[JohnStOnge]

They're not going to vote for Trump because Sanders is going to be telling them that Trump is Satan.

Which will be the greatest irony of them all, because these new age liberal progressives expose themselves as being "educated free thinkers", and at the end of the day they're just going to prove to be the lemmings they always have been by voting for HRC.

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What would you have them do? Vote for Trump? You're a liberal and you're going to vote for Trump?

[∞∞∞]

Watching the Libertarian Town Hall on CNN...Gary Johnson really doesn't come off as Presidential with the way he speaks...very Laissez-faire (which I suppose is very much a Libertarian idea). I like his VP candidate a lot though...I think he's a lot better than Johnson.