Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[Ibanez]

I will admit to trolling you a bit regarding Trump and I actually feel some of replies to you have been a bit unfair, but you can't possible be as stupid as this reply, can you?

Elaborate. How is getting money for speeches, in and of itself, stiffing people in the sense that Trump has stiffed people as described in the article I linked?

You know, like agreeing to pay people for stuff they do then finding ways to weasel out of paying them.

At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Do you have some information about Hillary at least allegedly stiffing people like that?

Nobody here claims that Trump is pure as the driven snow. But, stack him against the cream de la crap of both parties and he's someone different that couldn't do any worst. Clinton, is a known quantity. She's proven herself to be an inept leader. She can't manage 2 email accounts, her words, and you want her to run the country!?!?!

[JohnStOnge]

Nobody here claims that Trump is pure as the driven snow. But, stack him against the cream de la crap of both parties and he's someone different that couldn't do any worst.

I don't agree with the underlined premise. I think he is indeed capable of doing a LOT worse.

[CID1990]

Double post

[CID1990]

Trump will be nowhere near as bad as Clinton in terms of legislation, etc- because too many people in Congress are going to have no political problems with opposing him. He would be a boon to many Republicans because they can run for re-election as "principled" leaders who had the spine to oppose Trump's this or Trump's that. Democrats will likewise have no issues running against him. He will literally get nothing done.

He will be the least effective President in history in terms of what he would try to do.

I also see this whole thing coming down to the SCOTUS. Trump would most likely appoint centrists and I think that would be good for the court. Clinton will be looking for the next Ginsberg.

I'm for Johnson, but if I had to choose between the two mainstream candidates I see Trump as the lesser of two weevils.

[Pwns]

I'm not sure anyone knows WTF Trump would do if he was actually elected. Would he be a guy that just enjoys being on the radio each week and feeling important while letting his advisors and cabinet run everything? I would hope so, because the alternative is he'll be active in the job like he was with the USFL, Mrs. America pageant, Trump, University, and pretty much everything he's touched that's turned to crap.

Unless you vote third party or independent, you're basically choosing between putting the fox in charge of the hen house and putting a pyromaniac in charge of it.

[kalm]

Elaborate. How is getting money for speeches, in and of itself, stiffing people in the sense that Trump has stiffed people as described in the article I linked?

You know, like agreeing to pay people for stuff they do then finding ways to weasel out of paying them.



Do you have some information about Hillary at least allegedly stiffing people like that?

Nobody here claims that Trump is pure as the driven snow. But, stack him against the cream de la crap of both parties and he's someone different that couldn't do any worst. Clinton, is a known quantity. She's proven herself to be an inept leader. She can't manage 2 email accounts, her words, and you want her to run the country!?!?!

This.

And JSo, go see Cluck's Goldman Sachs - Libya thread. HIllary takes millions from corrupt financial extractors who knowingly bankrupt cities, states, and entire countries.

But yeah, she's not as bad...

[SDHornet]

Nobody here claims that Trump is pure as the driven snow. But, stack him against the cream de la crap of both parties and he's someone different that couldn't do any worst. Clinton, is a known quantity. She's proven herself to be an inept leader. She can't manage 2 email accounts, her words, and you want her to run the country!?!?!

This.

And JSo, go see Cluck's Goldman Sachs - Libya thread. HIllary takes millions from corrupt financial extractors who knowingly bankrupt cities, states, and entire countries.

But yeah, she's not as bad...

@ JSO and any other fucktard claiming hilldog has experience we can depend on.

[ASUG8]

I'm not sure anyone knows WTF Trump would do if he was actually elected. Would he be a guy that just enjoys being on the radio each week and feeling important while letting his advisors and cabinet run everything? I would hope so, because the alternative is he'll be active in the job like he was with the USFL, Mrs. America pageant, Trump, University, and pretty much everything he's touched that's turned to crap.

Unless you vote third party or independent, you're basically choosing between putting the fox in charge of the hen house and putting a pyromaniac in charge of it.

At least with the fox you still have a hen house at the end of their term(s). Maybe.

[JohnStOnge]

JSO and any other **** claiming hilldog has experience we can depend on.

She is sane. Trump is not.

You people really perplex me. This is a very important job.

And, actually, I think she does understand government processes a LOT better than Trump does. To me it's pretty obvious that he has no clue. He just flails around and says stuff he thinks will push buttons. He has no idea as to what the fuck he is doing when it comes to being a government manager.

And if you're thinking that's good: No it's not. Managing in private industry and managing in government are two completely different things. You can't manage in government "like it's a private business" because that's not what it is.

It's like saying you're going to hire someone to be a head football coach because they were a girls soccer coach. Totally different things.

[JohnStOnge]

Just an aside here to point out an example with the problem with polling operations. Last week Clinton was "up" five points in the Rasmussen poll. This week Trump is "up" four points in the Rasmussen poll. And here is the "takeaway" from Rasmussen:

The tables have turned in this week’s White House Watch. After trailing Hillary Clinton by five points for the prior two weeks, Donald Trump has now taken a four-point lead.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ouse_watch

So there's the idea that the results show something has changed. But the truth is that the difference is well within the bounds of what could be explained by random sampling error and, as wel know, there's error beyond random sampling error in these polls. It's very possible that one could sample the same situation twice and get these two results.

This kind of thing is just totally out of hand. And it's especially bad because this is a polling organization that SHOULD understand this kind of thing.

[HI54UNI]

Just an aside here to point out an example with the problem with polling operations. Last week Clinton was "up" five points in the Rasmussen poll. This week Trump is "up" four points in the Rasmussen poll. And here is the "takeaway" from Rasmussen:

The tables have turned in this week’s White House Watch. After trailing Hillary Clinton by five points for the prior two weeks, Donald Trump has now taken a four-point lead.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ouse_watch

So there's the idea that the results show something has changed. But the truth is that the difference is well within the bounds of what could be explained by random sampling error and, as wel know, there's error beyond random sampling error in these polls. It's very possible that one could sample the same situation twice and get these two results.

This kind of thing is just totally out of hand. And it's especially bad because this is a polling organization that SHOULD understand this kind of thing.

John, it's the 4th of July. A lot can and will happen between now and election day. Today's poll, tomorrow's pool, next week's poll mean nothing. You need to relax before you have a stroke. Go fishing and forget about it for awhile.

[JohnStOnge]

John, it's the 4th of July. A lot can and will happen between now and election day. Today's poll, tomorrow's pool, next week's poll mean nothing.

I don't know if they mean "nothing" but still generally true. It's like watching a football game. You don't have to do it. If you really care about who wins you could potentially save yourself a lot of anxiety by just tuning in for the last two minutes.

[houndawg]

John, it's the 4th of July. A lot can and will happen between now and election day. Today's poll, tomorrow's pool, next week's poll mean nothing.

I don't know if they mean "nothing" but still generally true. It's like watching a football game. You don't have to do it. If you really care about who wins you could potentially save yourself a lot of anxiety by just tuning in for the last two minutes.

Not when you know you're going to lose regardless.

[AshevilleApp]

Good ad.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU[/youtube]

[89Hen]

Good ad.

Kinda lost interest after he said he vetoed his state leaders 750 times. Do you want an executive that can't work with the legislative branch at all? It's one thing to lead, it's another to be obstinate.

[AshevilleApp]

Good ad.

Kinda lost interest after he said he vetoed his state leaders 750 times. Do you want an executive that can't work with the legislative branch at all? It's one thing to lead, it's another to be obstinate.

Good point. Who do you prefer right now?

[89Hen]

Kinda lost interest after he said he vetoed his state leaders 750 times. Do you want an executive that can't work with the legislative branch at all? It's one thing to lead, it's another to be obstinate.

Good point. Who do you prefer right now?

D) None of the Above

I'm convinced that the POTUS has very little impact on my life. Yeah, some taxes or insurance costs can go up or down, but that happens all the time. I won't lose sleep when Hillary gets elected, but I will not be able to watch the SOTU's any more. I'm not kidding when I say the sound of her voice strikes a nerve in my spine that makes my eyes roll back in my head. I've never had that with another candidate at any level of office.

[Ivytalk]

Good point. Who do you prefer right now?

D) None of the Above

I'm convinced that the POTUS has very little impact on my life. Yeah, some taxes or insurance costs can go up or down, but that happens all the time. I won't lose sleep when Hillary gets elected, but I will not be able to watch the SOTU's any more. I'm not kidding when I say the sound of her voice strikes a nerve in my spine that makes my eyes roll back in my head. I've never had that with another candidate at any level of office.

Barry Soetero has that effect on me. I won't watch a single speech he makes, SOTU or otherwise.

[GannonFan]

D) None of the Above

I'm convinced that the POTUS has very little impact on my life. Yeah, some taxes or insurance costs can go up or down, but that happens all the time. I won't lose sleep when Hillary gets elected, but I will not be able to watch the SOTU's any more. I'm not kidding when I say the sound of her voice strikes a nerve in my spine that makes my eyes roll back in my head. I've never had that with another candidate at any level of office.

Barry Soetero has that effect on me. I won't watch a single speech he makes, SOTU or otherwise.

Obama's speechmaking really was stunted sometime through his first term. He hasn't really grown as a speaker since his time then, and now he comes off as a bored and indignant politician who's upset that people don't agree with him. He was vastly superior as a speaker when he was a candidate. Of course, that was before he had to do any of the things he was talking about, but still, he was very good then.

[Ivytalk]

Barry Soetero has that effect on me. I won't watch a single speech he makes, SOTU or otherwise.

Obama's speechmaking really was stunted sometime through his first term. He hasn't really grown as a speaker since his time then, and now he comes off as a bored and indignant politician who's upset that people don't agree with him. He was vastly superior as a speaker when he was a candidate. Of course, that was before he had to do any of the things he was talking about, but still, he was very good then.

They had better Teleprompters back then!

Off-script, he stutters like a nervous six-year-old.

[BDKJMU]

Good point. Who do you prefer right now?

D) None of the Above

I'm convinced that the POTUS has very little impact on my life. Yeah, some taxes or insurance costs can go up or down, but that happens all the time. I won't lose sleep when Hillary gets elected, but I will not be able to watch the SOTU's any more. I'm not kidding when I say the sound of her voice strikes a nerve in my spine that makes my eyes roll back in my head. I've never had that with another candidate at any level of office.

That's a little myopic.
-New laws. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all. Example Obamacare.
-Govt regs. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all.
-Court cases that could go one way or the other depending on judges appointed. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all. There's a good chance future cases will have an effect on your life.
-The POTUS does make a difference in immigration enforcement. Lots of people will become victims of crime committed by the millions of illegal immigrants, refugees, amnesty receivers. If you or a family member are a victim, then you could be greatly effected.

[houndawg]

D) None of the Above

I'm convinced that the POTUS has very little impact on my life. Yeah, some taxes or insurance costs can go up or down, but that happens all the time. I won't lose sleep when Hillary gets elected, but I will not be able to watch the SOTU's any more. I'm not kidding when I say the sound of her voice strikes a nerve in my spine that makes my eyes roll back in my head. I've never had that with another candidate at any level of office.

That's a little myopic.
-New laws. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all. Example Obamacare.
-Govt regs. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all.
-Court cases that could go one way or the other depending on judges appointed. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all. There's a good chance future cases will have an effect on your life.
-The POTUS does make a difference in immigration enforcement. Lots of people will become victims of crime committed by the millions of illegal immigrants, refugees, amnesty receivers. If you or a family member are a victim, then you could be greatly effected.

You do realize that there are more Mexicans leaving than arriving don't you? And that more American are moving to Mexico than vice versa? And go look up the difference between "effected" and "affected", I don't have time to help you through life right now.

[Baldy]

That's a little myopic.
-New laws. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all. Example Obamacare.
-Govt regs. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all.
-Court cases that could go one way or the other depending on judges appointed. Some people will be effected greatly, some little at all. There's a good chance future cases will have an effect on your life.
-The POTUS does make a difference in immigration enforcement. Lots of people will become victims of crime committed by the millions of illegal immigrants, refugees, amnesty receivers. If you or a family member are a victim, then you could be greatly effected.

You do realize that there are more Mexicans leaving than arriving don't you? And that more American are moving to Mexico than vice versa? And go look up the difference between "effected" and "affected", I don't have time to help you through life right now.

Since BDK didn't say word one about Mexico, someone needs to learn the difference between "illegal immigrants" and Mexicans.

houndawg...can't even help himself through life.

[kalm]

Good ad.

Kinda lost interest after he said he vetoed his state leaders 750 times. Do you want an executive that can't work with the legislative branch at all? It's one thing to lead, it's another to be obstinate.

So you're an unprincipled conservative, then.

You should run for office.

[89Hen]

I'm convinced that the POTUS has very little impact on my life.

That's a little myopic.

No shit Sherlock