IT'S ON! Official Charleston Southern @ N Dakota St thread!

[bucs90]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

Yeah that's not just an NDSU thing either. For decades we heard Big 10 fans saying how their "corn fed" big boys were too much for the smaller Southern teams. Then they'd go up against FSU, Florida, Miami, Bama, UGA, Clemson, etc and realize those small D linemen who are 250 pounds are all muscle and can absolutely fly.

Miami of the 80's started that style down South. Moving DBS to LB and LBS/TES to DL. Size and strength punish. Speed kills.

That said....NDSU has plenty of both so it's gonna be a hell of a challenge to try to hang with them.

[Bison56]

Citadel doesn't have **** on NDSUs ground game. You'd know that watching any NDSU game.

I'd love to see NDSUs rushing numbers of they went up against Kennesaw State, Gardner-Webb, etc... rather than UNI, SDSU, Montana, Illinois State, etc...

For reference UNI had 6 people from last year's defense that are currently in NFL camps....6....from just last season...

Outside of the two NDSU games UNI gave up less than three yards per carry on the season. Held Cal Poly, who was actually the highest rated rush offense last season, to over 100 yards below their season average (a game that kicked off at 10PM central time out in California). In those two games against UNI the Bison were just one of 2, maybe three 3 teams to average at least 3.5 YPC and they did it twice.


Liberty being huge? I watched their game against SIU last season. SIU is a small MVFC team. They are a bad MVFC team. They got boat raced by everyone in the MVFC except Misery State. They were 3-8 last season. I mean bad. SIU crushed Liberty like a JV team and made them look physically like a JV team.

I understand confidence, but you have no idea what the hell you're walking into in Fargo.

I've been to games at B10 and b12 stadiums with 70 plus thousand fans. None of them were as loud as the Fargodome.

The Citadel isn't in the Big South they're SoCon. They play Furman, UTC, Wofford, etc.

6 NDSU defenders from 2015 and their #2 overall QB are gone? Well...my point...they have a lot of new faces. Bro I'm not arguing CSU is better or NDSU is anything other than the clear #1 FCS team. I'm just saying this thing could be a sleeper upset.

That same Liberty team has also beat up on Montana. So has Coastal Carolina.

And no offense to the Fargo Dome. It's gonna be intense, no doubt about it. But your statements like "you have no idea what you're walking into" blah blah? Spare us the drama please. It isn't gonna be any worse than what Tuscaloosa, Athens or Tallahassee was like. In atmosphere or physical talent. So yes while NDSU will be better physically....they won't be some Godzilla creature which CSU is shocked and awed by. Unless you're saying NDSU was better than 2015 Alabama and the Fargo Dome is more intense than Bryant-Denny or Doak - Campbell (hint....it isn't).

It's gonna be about like putting a dome over top of any rabid crowd of 18K fans....and playing a team whose CURRENT talent level is about on par with a lower tier SEC or ACC team. And that's a COMPLIMENT by the way.

This post reminds me so much of the 2011 GSU fans.

[kalm]

Trap game...

[pantherrob82]

I've been on the field twice at Iowa and a few times between the UNI-Dome and FargoDome. The domes were much louder on the field in key situations. Normally when fans say the noise won't make a difference their teams end up with a lot of false starts to start the game.

I would laugh if NDSU lost, but I can't imagine them winning by less than 21.

[bucs90]

The Citadel isn't in the Big South they're SoCon. They play Furman, UTC, Wofford, etc.

6 NDSU defenders from 2015 and their #2 overall QB are gone? Well...my point...they have a lot of new faces. Bro I'm not arguing CSU is better or NDSU is anything other than the clear #1 FCS team. I'm just saying this thing could be a sleeper upset.

That same Liberty team has also beat up on Montana. So has Coastal Carolina.

And no offense to the Fargo Dome. It's gonna be intense, no doubt about it. But your statements like "you have no idea what you're walking into" blah blah? Spare us the drama please. It isn't gonna be any worse than what Tuscaloosa, Athens or Tallahassee was like. In atmosphere or physical talent. So yes while NDSU will be better physically....they won't be some Godzilla creature which CSU is shocked and awed by. Unless you're saying NDSU was better than 2015 Alabama and the Fargo Dome is more intense than Bryant-Denny or Doak - Campbell (hint....it isn't).

It's gonna be about like putting a dome over top of any rabid crowd of 18K fans....and playing a team whose CURRENT talent level is about on par with a lower tier SEC or ACC team. And that's a COMPLIMENT by the way.

This post reminds me so much of the 2011 GSU fans.

Probably does. I've just always felt noise is a bit overrated.

WHY are some crowds so loud? Like Florida. Or NDSU. Or God help you if you went to a Seahawks game the last 3 years.

It's because they have a GREAT TEAM!!! Bad or average teams don't have loud fans haha. It's why the Georgia Dome isn't notorious. The Falcons usually suck.

Why is LSU at night considered the hardest place in all of college football to play? Well because the team is so talented. If LSU had Vandy talent the crowd wouldn't be so loud.

I'm praising NDSU with crazy respect. 5X defending champ. Enough said. They might beat us by 50. But it won't be because of the crowd.

[UNI88]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

That's what I was thinking, option teams typically have smaller more agile linemen.

NDSU is tough to play in Fargo not because of any one thing but because of all of them put together. They are an extremely physical team to the point that teams that are playing them for the first time are shocked. They will use that physicality and pound the ball offensively and then look to exploit you through the air when you sell out to step the run. Their defense is the same way. CSU is going to get punched in the mouth and when you add the crowd noise on top of that it's difficult to get your bearings and fight back. If CSU is going to have a chance, they'll need to keep their head and survive the brawl to play their game. If they lose focus, it will get ugly.

[bucs90]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

That's what I was thinking, option teams typically have smaller more agile linemen.

NDSU is tough to play in Fargo not because of any one thing but because of all of them put together. They are an extremely physical team to the point that teams that are playing them for the first time are shocked. They will use that physicality and pound the ball offensively and then look to exploit you through the air when you sell out to step the run. Their defense is the same way. CSU is going to get punched in the mouth and when you add the crowd noise on top of that it's difficult to get your bearings and fight back. If CSU is going to have a chance, they'll need to keep their head and survive the brawl to play their game. If they lose focus, it will get ugly.

I think having played The Citadel 2x last year helps. They're a very physical team. Heck even Florida St complained about how physical Citadel was! Also playing Alabama and Jacksonville St at year end...2 more obviously very big very physical teams. I'd be extremely concerned if we were facing NDSU after a stretch of soft teams.

How bout the CSUs 4 game stretch: @ Alabama, vs The Citadel, @ Jacksonville State, @ NDSU haha...talk about some concussion treatments....those are some head knockers.

I'm just freaking excited man. 3 weeks til KICKOFF!!!! Remember those April or May weekends when nothing was on but early season MLB?? NO MORE! It's kickoff time fellas.

Can't wait to get to Fargo! Raise the Black Flag, the Bucs are sailing into town, we gonna give it our best shot!

[JohnStOnge]

On the speed thing: I don't think North Dakota State has been a particularly fast team. I think their thing has indeed been physicality.

I think Sam Houston State has had more team speed than they did every time the two teams played in the playoffs in recent years. I think Jacksonville State had more team speed than they did in the championship game last year. I think Georgia Southern had more team speed than they did when they eliminated the Eagles twice in the playoffs.

I think what North Dakota State has shown is that physicality can indeed be important. They are, obviously, fast enough. But I don't look at North Dakota State as being near the top of the heap in terms of team speed. That's not, at least I think, why they win like they do.

[Gil Dobie]

That "southern speed" has burned NDSU so many times. I don't see how the Bison can even stand a chance against another team with "southern speed". If the Bison offense is on the field for 35-40 minutes, it keeps "southern speed" off the field.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Looking forward to starting the year at home this year.

I like watching option teams so this game will be fun to watch....CSU's version of the option.

Personally, I think CSU is going to get steamrolled in this game. Their defense is undersized and that is a recipe for disaster with it being their first time up here.

clenz was spot on with his assessments of the game.

I see CSU loading the box to try and slow down the run and Easton will gash them with his arm and legs.

The Bison have 8 starters coming back on defense, which was the best IMO in the FCS last year.

If CSU runs that 4-2-5 defensive scheme, like the one I watched against Jax State in the playoffs last year, they will get crushed by halftime.

[ST_Lawson]

The one obvious fact in the last 5 years is this,no team has ever won coming to the Fargo Dome to play the Bison for their first time that I can remember.

I think you're right. The closest that I can think of would have been a few years before. We (Western Illinois) won our first and second visits to the dome. 2008 was a pretty down year for the Bison and 2010 was the best team we'd had since '03 (or have had since). All of those happened before the start of "the run", and going there during a down year probably helped us get somewhat ready for it two years later.

I don't think CSU can count on those types of situations this time, though.

[NoDakBisman]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

I think you probably right. Size isn't everything but in big boy ball we can wear teams down if we stay on the field for 6 to 7 minute drives. If your Dline is quick and causes some trouble, gets off the field then you will keep them fresh. Sounds like this environment, they might enjoy, maybe feed off. Sounds like your run option and your RB's are good as I see they are nominated for top RB's in the nation.
We have a stable of 4 running backs for you, and they are all Clydesdales. We rotate like hockey 1st, 2nd, 3rd, kines.... so fresh legs just keep coming at you.
Your team is on the up and up as we were in 2010 so I see many similarities. Now we are the hunted, but yet much to prove and need to stay focused, because of the Iowa Hawkeye game, its the last Big Ten Team we will ever face, so the boys need to stay focused on this opening game and not look ahead to Iowa City on Sept.17th, just let us fans do that.
Your BUC's better be ready for 4qtrs of football as you know the pedal won't come off with the Herd as you saw with Jacksonville in Frisco. The wheels came off for them as that is Fargo South and home for us.
We kind of like having everything come through Fargo in the post season, the 12th man here, then 1,700 miles we go to Frisco in January. Its nuts but this damn team of ours plays up the billing and the fans expect nothing less.

Good luck to your team,
I hope they show us we have work to do and skills to improve on.
NDSU 38 - CSU 14.

If you can make the trip up here, the tailgating is FANTASTIC! 1/2mile area of Green/Gold Flags flying and RV's in full Bison Paintings and Bison Buses with Bison Photoshopped pics all over them.... Plus it will be warm out, so now is the time to come and see why we are called Title Town FCS Fargo.

Again I see your team much like Georgia Southern style option run style. We don't see that up here in the MVFC. Its line up and let the stampede begin.

Thanks for your feedback on your team, I will share with my fellow Herd Fans.
Looking forward to an interesting game August 27th. National TV, that's the way we like it!

Be Herd,
NoDakBisman

[bucs90]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

I think you probably right. Size isn't everything but in big boy ball we can wear teams down if we stay on the field for 6 to 7 minute drives. If your Dline is quick and causes some trouble, gets off the field then you will keep them fresh. Sounds like this environment, they might enjoy, maybe feed off. Sounds like your run option and your RB's are good as I see they are nominated for top RB's in the nation.
We have a stable of 4 running backs for you, and they are all Clydesdales. We rotate like hockey 1st, 2nd, 3rd, kines.... so fresh legs just keep coming at you.
Your team is on the up and up as we were in 2010 so I see many similarities. Now we are the hunted, but yet much to prove and need to stay focused, because of the Iowa Hawkeye game, its the last Big Ten Team we will ever face, so the boys need to stay focused on this opening game and not look ahead to Iowa City on Sept.17th, just let us fans do that.
Your BUC's better be ready for 4qtrs of football as you know the pedal won't come off with the Herd as you saw with Jacksonville in Frisco. The wheels came off for them as that is Fargo South and home for us.
We kind of like having everything come through Fargo in the post season, the 12th man here, then 1,700 miles we go to Frisco in January. Its nuts but this damn team of ours plays up the billing and the fans expect nothing less.

Good luck to your team,
I hope they show us we have work to do and skills to improve on.
NDSU 38 - CSU 14.

If you can make the trip up here, the tailgating is FANTASTIC! 1/2mile area of Green/Gold Flags flying and RV's in full Bison Paintings and Bison Buses with Bison Photoshopped pics all over them.... Plus it will be warm out, so now is the time to come and see why we are called Title Town FCS Fargo.

Again I see your team much like Georgia Southern style option run style. We don't see that up here in the MVFC. Its line up and let the stampede begin.

Thanks for your feedback on your team, I will share with my fellow Herd Fans.
Looking forward to an interesting game August 27th. National TV, that's the way we like it!

Be Herd,
NoDakBisman

Thanks if I come I'll have to check out the tailgating. I haven't watched much GA Southern but our option is run all out of shotgun. From what I recall GSU, Wofford, Citadel, etc, run it from under center. We probably throw it a little more than they do.

We do run a lot of 4-2-5 but that's more of just a personnel package than an alignment. I assure ya we won't line up vs NDSU with 4 down and 5 backed off in the secondary. Talk about inviting a beatdown!!

Our hopes are gonna come down to basics.
1. Defenders getting off blocks and making man on man tackles
2. DBs/LBs being disciplined in coverage
3. MUST win the turnover battle by 2 or more

If we do those 3 things I think we'll be in it in the 4th qtr and we'll see what happens.

If we don't do all 3 of those......24 pt loss or more.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

NoDakBisMan:

CSU's option is nothing like Georgia Southerns.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think you probably right. Size isn't everything but in big boy ball we can wear teams down if we stay on the field for 6 to 7 minute drives. If your Dline is quick and causes some trouble, gets off the field then you will keep them fresh. Sounds like this environment, they might enjoy, maybe feed off. Sounds like your run option and your RB's are good as I see they are nominated for top RB's in the nation.
We have a stable of 4 running backs for you, and they are all Clydesdales. We rotate like hockey 1st, 2nd, 3rd, kines.... so fresh legs just keep coming at you.
Your team is on the up and up as we were in 2010 so I see many similarities. Now we are the hunted, but yet much to prove and need to stay focused, because of the Iowa Hawkeye game, its the last Big Ten Team we will ever face, so the boys need to stay focused on this opening game and not look ahead to Iowa City on Sept.17th, just let us fans do that.
Your BUC's better be ready for 4qtrs of football as you know the pedal won't come off with the Herd as you saw with Jacksonville in Frisco. The wheels came off for them as that is Fargo South and home for us.
We kind of like having everything come through Fargo in the post season, the 12th man here, then 1,700 miles we go to Frisco in January. Its nuts but this damn team of ours plays up the billing and the fans expect nothing less.

Good luck to your team,
I hope they show us we have work to do and skills to improve on.
NDSU 38 - CSU 14.

If you can make the trip up here, the tailgating is FANTASTIC! 1/2mile area of Green/Gold Flags flying and RV's in full Bison Paintings and Bison Buses with Bison Photoshopped pics all over them.... Plus it will be warm out, so now is the time to come and see why we are called Title Town FCS Fargo.

Again I see your team much like Georgia Southern style option run style. We don't see that up here in the MVFC. Its line up and let the stampede begin.

Thanks for your feedback on your team, I will share with my fellow Herd Fans.
Looking forward to an interesting game August 27th. National TV, that's the way we like it!

Be Herd,
NoDakBisman

Thanks if I come I'll have to check out the tailgating. I haven't watched much GA Southern but our option is run all out of shotgun. From what I recall GSU, Wofford, Citadel, etc, run it from under center. We probably throw it a little more than they do.

We do run a lot of 4-2-5 but that's more of just a personnel package than an alignment. I assure ya we won't line up vs NDSU with 4 down and 5 backed off in the secondary. Talk about inviting a beatdown!!

Our hopes are gonna come down to basics.
1. Defenders getting off blocks and making man on man tackles
2. DBs/LBs being disciplined in coverage
3. MUST win the turnover battle by 2 or more

If we do those 3 things I think we'll be in it in the 4th qtr and we'll see what happens.

If we don't do all 3 of those......24 pt loss or more.[/quote]


Pretty fair assessment.

CSU can win this game for sure but it will take a very good effort.

NDSU needs to play assignment sharp on defense to shut down CSU's option.

The best friend the NDSU defense will have is the offense. If they grind out long scoring drives, this keeps CSU's option offense on the sideline.

[Thumper 76]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

[CSUBUCDAD]

I am sure digging all the hype this game is receiving. Great overall for the FSC and really great for CSU who has been the stepchild of the Big South and FCS for so long. Can't say enough about how Coach Chadwell has completely changed the perspective at my Alma Mater.

[bucs90]

What a lot of people up North are failing to realize is that all these weight and height numbers don't really mean as much as they think it does. We've watched NDSU v. Coastal, we've watched NDSU v. Jax St, we're well aware of the dominant force that NDSU is. The reason that NDSU is favored and probably will win the game is that reason, they are a dominant and damn good football team. Believe it or not, for an option football team, CSU's offensive line is considered BIG! So those weight averages don't really mean a lot. They purposely don't get 300 pounders cause they can't run on the edge and do things option lineman need to do. CSU's D-Line is undersized but again its strategic. NDSU's coaching staff probably respects them more than the general "fan" does, and the "fan" will be very surprised at how strong and quick they are, quickest D-Line that NDSU will see all year. As for LB's, RB's, WR's, and DB's, size wise they all match up pretty similar, and CSU has probably the best RB trio in the nation including an All-American POY all-purpose RB in Hammond. Off of the strength of the FargoDome and just the fact that NDSU is a dominant football team, NDSU 38 CSU 21. NOT because of some "average weight" puhlease.

Well...."Southern Speed" is a very real thing. There's a reason about 55-60% of all NFL players today come from 9 Southern states.

[bucs90]

I am sure digging all the hype this game is receiving. Great overall for the FSC and really great for CSU who has been the stepchild of the Big South and FCS for so long. Can't say enough about how Coach Chadwell has completely changed the perspective at my Alma Mater.

Coach Chadwell has done a wonderful job. Getting 65 scholarships instead of the 35 they got up until 2004 was the first huge step bc of depth. The next issue was assistant coach turnover. Always new coaches. That's been fixed. And then add Chadwell and his staff who just do an incredible job. I remember when "Buc Luck" was the phrase. Always badly timed injuries. Freakish turnovers costing CSU games. That's all gone now and man is it fun to watch.

No one....NO ONE....does more with less in FCS than CSU! THAT IS the part of Chadwell message I like most. You don't need all those grand facilities and history to win.

[Thumper 76]

Well...."Southern Speed" is a very real thing. There's a reason about 55-60% of all NFL players today come from 9 Southern states.

Hmm sure showing up with the best conferences in FCS NOT in the south. MVFC, CAA, and Big Sky.

[bucs90]

Well...."Southern Speed" is a very real thing. There's a reason about 55-60% of all NFL players today come from 9 Southern states.

Hmm sure showing up with the best conferences in FCS NOT in the south. MVFC, CAA, and Big Sky.

Well lets put it in perspective. Many of those schools are major state schools. Often primary flagship schools. Montana. North Dakota State.

FCS down South? It's usually the 2nd tier programs in our states. NDSU and Montana are THE premiere trams in their states. Down here....Charleston Southern and UT - Chattanooga arent. And when our FCS get good many move up. GA Southern & App State for example.

So if we wanna talk "Southern Speed" put it in perspective. Our NDSU....is Clemson. Our Montana is Florida State.

[Thumper 76]

Hmm sure showing up with the best conferences in FCS NOT in the south. MVFC, CAA, and Big Sky.

Well lets put it in perspective. Many of those schools are major state schools. Often primary flagship schools. Montana. North Dakota State.

FCS down South? It's usually the 2nd tier programs in our states. NDSU and Montana are THE premiere trams in their states. Down here....Charleston Southern and UT - Chattanooga arent. And when our FCS get good many move up. GA Southern & App State for example.

So if we wanna talk "Southern Speed" put it in perspective. Our NDSU....is Clemson. Our Montana is Florida State.

No it's not the same. As a university they don't have as many people attending, have much much smaller budgets for their athletics departments, and much smaller population bases to draw from. You put it in perspective. FCS=FCS, FBS=FBS, and so on. That's why there are divisions. If you want a FBS discussion then go to bowl subdivision.com. If you want to compare speed do it in the same division, don't run from your stupid comment to use examples that aren't a part of the equation. You can squawk all you want about southern speed but the proof is in the pudding. And it's not even about speed it's about the system you recruit for. You get bigger guys for power running and quicker players to play/stop the spread.

[bucs90]

Well lets put it in perspective. Many of those schools are major state schools. Often primary flagship schools. Montana. North Dakota State.

FCS down South? It's usually the 2nd tier programs in our states. NDSU and Montana are THE premiere trams in their states. Down here....Charleston Southern and UT - Chattanooga arent. And when our FCS get good many move up. GA Southern & App State for example.

So if we wanna talk "Southern Speed" put it in perspective. Our NDSU....is Clemson. Our Montana is Florida State.

No it's not the same. As a university they don't have as many people attending, have much much smaller budgets for their athletics departments, and much smaller population bases to draw from. You put it in perspective. FCS=FCS, FBS=FBS, and so on. That's why there are divisions. If you want a FBS discussion then go to bowl subdivision.com. If you want to compare speed do it in the same division, don't run from your stupid comment to use examples that aren't a part of the equation. You can squawk all you want about southern speed but the proof is in the pudding. And it's not even about speed it's about the system you recruit for. You get bigger guys for power running and quicker players to play/stop the spread.

Same could be said for NDSU. They're bigger than CSU, Citadel, Wofford and Furman...combined.


I see what you're saying but "Southern Speed" is referring to all teams at all levels.

[AshevilleApp]

Good thread.

[bucs90]

Good thread.

Hey man its that time of year!!!