Colin Kaepernick

[CAA Flagship]

So I had a strange thought on this today. We all agree that an American burning an American flag is actually symbolic of our freedom to do so. We probably all wish nobody would actually do it though. But if nobody actually burned an American flag, it would be a very empty symbol.

I think it would still have meaning. But I do know Flaggy needs to ponder this.

Pondered ^^^

[89Hen]

So I had a strange thought on this today. We all agree that an American burning an American flag is actually symbolic of our freedom to do so. We probably all wish nobody would actually do it though. But if nobody actually burned an American flag, it would be a very empty symbol.

I think it would still have meaning.

I'm not sure. You'd have no visual, no threat of it happening, no ire, etc..

[kalm]

I think it would still have meaning. But I do know Flaggy needs to ponder this.

Pondered ^^^

Just trying to help your hang up with "manner" in which he's doing it.

It makes perfect sense.

[CAA Flagship]

Pondered ^^^

Just trying to help your hang up with "manner" in which he's doing it.

It makes perfect sense.

I think "manner" is like advertising. Effective advertising can be beneficial to the advertiser. Ineffective advertising can be detrimental. Effectiveness can be measured in many ways, but in order to be "beneficial", it has to appeal to the target audience. Who is Kaepernick's target audience? Who is he trying to change? Is this the best way to get that change from the target audience?

[kalm]

Just trying to help your hang up with "manner" in which he's doing it.

It makes perfect sense.

I think "manner" is like advertising. Effective advertising can be beneficial to the advertiser. Ineffective advertising can be detrimental. Effectiveness can be measured in many ways, but in order to be "beneficial", it has to appeal to the target audience. Who is Kaepernick's target audience? Who is he trying to change? Is this the best way to get that change from the target audience?

He seems to have initiated a dialogue...so yes.

[CAA Flagship]

I think "manner" is like advertising. Effective advertising can be beneficial to the advertiser. Ineffective advertising can be detrimental. Effectiveness can be measured in many ways, but in order to be "beneficial", it has to appeal to the target audience. Who is Kaepernick's target audience? Who is he trying to change? Is this the best way to get that change from the target audience?

He seems to have initiated a dialogue...so yes.

Initiating a dialogue? Is that his goal? Or is it "change" that he wants?
So who is participating in this dialogue and what is being done to address his complaints?

[Ibanez]

I've thought about this and come to this conclusion: He's an American and he has every right to protest.

Agree

You may not agree with the manner in which he is doing so, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

The point IS the manner in which he is doing so.

He's protesting an injustice he see's. If you look it at it this way, he's honoring America by exercising his freedom to peacefully protest.

Da fuq?????

So, you don't like his protest? Why do you hate America? Why is your freedom of speech different than his?

It's not. But if I went to the funeral of one of his loved ones, dressed in a clown suit, would he not be offended?

It's how he's exercising his freedom of speech. You don't have to like or approve it. He's not asking for you to like or approve it. It's his prerogative. Think about it. We fought a revolution and the very first right we guarantee is that of having the freedom to say what you want. Freedom of Speech IS the right

To engage in symbolic speech, (e.g., burning the flag in protest).
Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990).

http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-c ... /what-does


As to your question about wearing a clown suit to a funeral, yeah, you'd probably offend someone. But you are within your rights to dress like that if you want. Btw, what a stupid question. You're better than that, Smalls.

[kalm]

He seems to have initiated a dialogue...so yes.

Initiating a dialogue? Is that his goal? Or is it "change" that he wants?
So who is participating in this dialogue and what is being done to address his complaints?

You don't get change without awareness.

And you're participating in the dialogue right now.

[CAA Flagship]

It's how he's exercising his freedom of speech. You don't have to like or approve it. He's not asking for you to like or approve it. It's his prerogative. Think about it. We fought a revolution and the very first right we guarantee is that of having the freedom to say what you want. Freedom of Speech IS the right

To engage in symbolic speech, (e.g., burning the flag in protest).
Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990).

http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-c ... /what-does


As to your question about wearing a clown suit to a funeral, yeah, you'd probably offend someone. But you are within your rights to dress like that if you want. Btw, what a stupid question. You're better than that, Smalls.

Yeah, I know it was stupid. That was the best I could come up with at the moment.

So I am looking at his method, or manner, from two points of view:
1. The target audience
2. The cause (or advertiser)

I just think he failed on both levels because he offended many in his target audience and possibly provided a setback to the cause. There is probably an advertising campaign that has done something similar in the past (other than political ads) but I can't think of anything. It just does not make sense and has a low chance of success.

[putter]

So how will it get better....symbolic stances start the conversation but what will push the conversation to action? Police in the inner-cities have to wear body armor because they work in war zones...CK does not have a job where he may not come home every time he shows up for work. Every race and profession has their bad apples but all the socks do is perpetuate that all officers are pigs and racist and not to be trusted. We see videos posted of people being asked to get out of a car by police and they are met with vulgar language and non-compliance. It is all economics...give people some hope of a normal life and they will start respecting theirs and others. CK now has the resources to start a foundation to do good and begin to make things better for some communities lets see him take some action

[CAA Flagship]

Initiating a dialogue? Is that his goal? Or is it "change" that he wants?
So who is participating in this dialogue and what is being done to address his complaints?

You don't get change without awareness.

And you're participating in the dialogue right now.

I might be participating in the dialogue, but not because of the cause. What value am I bringing to the cause by discussing the method or manner in which he protests?

[kalm]

You don't get change without awareness.

And you're participating in the dialogue right now.

I might be participating in the dialogue, but not because of the cause. What value am I bringing to the cause by discussing the method or manner in which he protests?

Awareness.

[Ivytalk]

I believe we all agree on two points.

1. Kaepernick is perfectly free to say anything he likes.
2. Nevertheless, Kaepernick is a douche.

/thread

[GannonFan]

I believe we all agree on two points.

1. Kaepernick is perfectly free to say anything he likes.
2. Nevertheless, Kaepernick is a douche.

/thread

[93henfan]

I believe we all agree on two points.

1. Kaepernick is perfectly free to say anything he likes.
2. Nevertheless, Kaepernick is a douche.

/thread

Precisely.

He's an extra strength douche when he kneels behind a Marine and Sailor during the national anthem on Military Appreciation Night. He's a confused, conflicted mess of a human. You can see why his birth mother gave him up.

[GannonFan]

I believe we all agree on two points.

1. Kaepernick is perfectly free to say anything he likes.
2. Nevertheless, Kaepernick is a douche.

/thread

Precisely.

He's an extra strength douche when he kneels behind a Marine and Sailor during the national anthem on Military Appreciation Night. He's a confused, conflicted mess of a human. You can see why his birth mother gave him up.

Who's the dude in the back who couldn't switch which hand he was holding the clipboard in and just went with the left hand over the heart?

[kalm]

I believe we all agree on two points.

1. Kaepernick is perfectly free to say anything he likes.
2. Nevertheless, Kaepernick is a douche.

/thread

Precisely.

He's an extra strength douche when he kneels behind a Marine and Sailor during the national anthem on Military Appreciation Night. He's a confused, conflicted mess of a human. You can see why his birth mother gave him up.

And he has RIDICULOUS hair!

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Both are photoshopped but pretty funnny.

[DSUrocks07]

I think the issue is that Colin deeply desires to be "accepted" by black people so he's over-compensating.

All the classic signs of an identity crisis.

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[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I think the issue is that Colin deeply desires to be "accepted" by black people so he's over-compensating.

All the classic signs of an identity crisis.

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I think it is being clarified for him.

Spoiler: show

Benchwarmer.

[SeattleGriz]

Precisely.

He's an extra strength douche when he kneels behind a Marine and Sailor during the national anthem on Military Appreciation Night. He's a confused, conflicted mess of a human. You can see why his birth mother gave him up.

Who's the dude in the back who couldn't switch which hand he was holding the clipboard in and just went with the left hand over the heart?

I see. Right handed privilege. smh.

[Chizzang]

Seriously... 7 pages



I guess as far as Kaepernick is concerned "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
He got everything he wanted

[93henfan]

Seriously... 7 pages



I guess as far as Kaepernick is concerned "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
He got everything he wanted

Which is what? What did he make better in the world?

[CAA Flagship]

I think the issue is that Colin deeply desires to be "accepted" by black people so he's over-compensating.

All the classic signs of an identity crisis.

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Meh. I think he is just seriously naive and misinformed.

[DSUrocks07]

Seriously... 7 pages



I guess as far as Kaepernick is concerned "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
He got everything he wanted

Which is what? What did he make better in the world?

Shameless self-promotion, obviously.

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