Your Wish-List For The Trifecta

[89Hen]

You might be waiting longer. Trump isn't touching the same-sex marriage issue and he probably will leave Roe v Wade alone.

I thought this was a "wish list" you wet blanket.

[GannonFan]

You might be waiting longer. Trump isn't touching the same-sex marriage issue and he probably will leave Roe v Wade alone.

He may on the Roe v Wade thing, though. I think Trump is very moderate when it comes to other social issues and I haven't seen any indication that he would bring up same-sex marriage. Again, another good thing that Trump stopped Ted Cruz and we didn't have to deal with him in the White House.

[89Hen]

So are we back to a orphanage solution? Who's going to take care of all those babies who will turn into kids? I've never seen the pro-life movement really step up in this regards. The imbalance of pro-lifers protesting and praying out in front of clinics versus those that set up and run institutions to help the expectant mothers during the rest of their labor and then to help the child afterwards (if the mother keeps it or not) is just too tilted towards the protestor and not the people helping.

I think you're very wrong about that last part. Every church I know around here does a lot of work with pregnancy centers for expecting mothers. I don't have any figures on it, but it seems I know a lot more people doing that vs protesting in front of abortion clinics. I don't disagree that the care for the children is a huge piece of this, but how can you increase the time and money going towards that if you don't win the first part? It would be like saying prisons are overcrowded, so we're just going to make more things legal. Hey, that would be a good stance for the pro-pot folks!

[GannonFan]

So are we back to a orphanage solution? Who's going to take care of all those babies who will turn into kids? I've never seen the pro-life movement really step up in this regards. The imbalance of pro-lifers protesting and praying out in front of clinics versus those that set up and run institutions to help the expectant mothers during the rest of their labor and then to help the child afterwards (if the mother keeps it or not) is just too tilted towards the protestor and not the people helping.

I think you're very wrong about that last part. Every church I know around here does a lot of work with pregnancy centers for expecting mothers. I don't have any figures on it, but it seems I know a lot more people doing that vs protesting in front of abortion clinics. I don't disagree that the care for the children is a huge piece of this, but how can you increase the time and money going towards that if you don't win the first part? It would be like saying prisons are overcrowded, so we're just going to make more things legal. Hey, that would be a good stance for the pro-pot folks!

I just don't see it. We have a Baby's Breath place near us, but you almost never hear it mentioned in the church bulletin. We get a lot of the KOC stuff, donating statues against abortion, signing up people to pray in front of clinics or the like, marching in Washington, but very little for the care of the mother (before and after the birth) and the baby itself. Maybe you're right, maybe it would spring up if Roe v Wade went away, but I would still like to see a lot more of it in place and established before that happens. Respect life needs to be more than just inside the womb - there's a lot that comes afterwards.

[AZGrizFan]

It will be an interesting 4 years. No excuses now for the Republicans. Four years is plenty of time to right the ship and make America great again.

Don't fuck it up because it will all be on you now.

You mean do something Obama couldn't do in 8?

[AZGrizFan]

1) Stay the fuck out of moral issues (gay marriage, abortion rights, LGBT shit, etc., etc.)
2) Meaningful Tax Reform
3) Balanced Budget
4) Repeal Obamacare
5) Smaller Government - including smaller, repositioned military
6) Enforce immigration laws - including expedited path to citizenship and finishing the wall
7) National concealed carry reciprocity
8) Exit UN - and kick it out of America
9) Get us out of the Middle East

[89Hen]

1) Stay the fuck out of moral issues (abortion rights)

That's no more a "moral issue" that murder, manslaughter, burglary, extortion, etc... it's a crime against another human. That's the major disconnect between pro-life and pro-choice. It's NOT a woman's issue. It's a baby issue.

[Grizalltheway]

1) Stay the fuck out of moral issues (abortion rights)

That's no more a "moral issue" that murder, manslaughter, burglary, extortion, etc... it's a crime against another human. That's the major disconnect between pro-life and pro-choice. It's NOT a woman's issue. It's a baby issue.

In YOUR world.

[89Hen]

That's no more a "moral issue" that murder, manslaughter, burglary, extortion, etc... it's a crime against another human. That's the major disconnect between pro-life and pro-choice. It's NOT a woman's issue. It's a baby issue.

In YOUR world.

In any logical person's world.

[SDHornet]

1) Stay the fuck out of moral issues (gay marriage, abortion rights, LGBT shit, etc., etc.)
2) Meaningful Tax Reform
3) Balanced Budget
4) Repeal Obamacare
5) Smaller Government - including smaller, repositioned military
6) Enforce immigration laws - including expedited path to citizenship and finishing the wall
7) National concealed carry reciprocity
8) Exit UN - and kick it out of America
9) Get us out of the Middle East

A lot of good stuff here. Trump went on 60 minutes last night and said the gay stuff ain't a priority since SCOTUS already ruled on it. Perfect answer imo.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

That's no more a "moral issue" that murder, manslaughter, burglary, extortion, etc... it's a crime against another human. That's the major disconnect between pro-life and pro-choice. It's NOT a woman's issue. It's a baby issue.

In YOUR world.

Woman should get 1/3 of that vote. The baby and the man the other 2/3s.

I want equality

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[Chizzang]

In YOUR world.

In any logical person's world.

This always cracks me up ^

[Grizalltheway]

In any logical person's world.

This always cracks me up ^

Yeah...the "logical" person who engages in cannibalistic rituals every Sunday.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

In any logical person's world.

This always cracks me up ^

Does it

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[Brock Landers]

I can see that being something to go after, but although I lean pro-life, I'm also a realist. I'm not sure we have the infrastructure in place or the science advanced far enough to do away with Roe v Wade. I'm fully on board with abortion being the ending of a human life and for that reason alone we need to do away with abortion, but the difficulty comes in the how to deal with the aftermath of it. Whatever the number of abortions we have today, if they all went to term and a good fraction of the people gave the babies up for adoption, we probably wouldn't have enough adoptive parents for all the newborns. So are we back to a orphanage solution? Who's going to take care of all those babies who will turn into kids? I've never seen the pro-life movement really step up in this regards. The imbalance of pro-lifers protesting and praying out in front of clinics versus those that set up and run institutions to help the expectant mothers during the rest of their labor and then to help the child afterwards (if the mother keeps it or not) is just too tilted towards the protestor and not the people helping. If people truly want Roe v Wade to go away, we need a lot more people to step up and help deal with the consequence of that.

Well that's the problem. Once the kid is actually born they don't give any fucks

I'm pro-life too btw

[89Hen]

In any logical person's world.

This always cracks me up ^

How so?

[89Hen]

Well that's the problem. Once the kid is actually born they don't give any fucks

weak hyperbole at best.

[Brock Landers]

Well that's the problem. Once the kid is actually born they don't give any fucks

weak hyperbole at best.

Well I'm on CS so that's like a D- on the hyperbole scale here. And that's being generous.

Especially if the kid's black. He basically becomes an "animal" with a good number of the population at that point, right?

[YoUDeeMan]

weak hyperbole at best.

Well I'm on CS so that's like a D- on the hyperbole scale here. And that's being generous.

Especially if the kid's black. He basically becomes an "animal" with a good number of the population at that point, right?

If you say so.

[BDKJMU]

1) Stay the **** out of moral issues (gay marriage, abortion rights, LGBT ****, etc., etc.)
2) Meaningful Tax Reform
3) Balanced Budget
4) Repeal Obamacare
5) Smaller Government - including smaller, repositioned military
6) Enforce immigration laws - including expedited path to citizenship and finishing the wall
7) National concealed carry reciprocity
8) Exit UN - and kick it out of America
9) Get us out of the Middle East

Exactly. Those issues (gay marriage, LBGT, abortion, legalizing pot, etc) should all be decided at the state level. The fed govt (exec, legislative and courts) has no business deciding one way or the other (ex like they did with Roe v Wade or with gay marriage). If its not expressly mentioned in the Constitution let the states decide. Problem is the fed has already entangled itself in those issues. It needs to. be untangled.

Yeah, expedited path to citizenship for those who came here legally.

[YoUDeeMan]

Some people worry about the lives of the unborn, while not bothering to defend the lives that are being taken by our foreign policy.

I guess only American (and unborn at that) lives matter.

Jesus would be telling everyone to keep golfing and purchasing our wonderful clothes and devices that are a result of our bloodletting, and supporting our military adventures because we, as Americans, deserve to live like kings while propping up governments that we know, and helped, kill innocent people.

Cue the line about babies being innocent...as though the poor citizens of other countries are the debbil.

[SDHornet]

Some people worry about the lives of the unborn, while not bothering to defend the lives that are being taken by our foreign policy.

I guess only American (and unborn at that) lives matter.

Jesus would be telling everyone to keep golfing and purchasing our wonderful clothes and devices that are a result of our bloodletting, and supporting our military adventures because we, as Americans, deserve to live like kings while propping up governments that we know, and helped, kill innocent people.

Cue the line about babies being innocent...as though the poor citizens of other countries are the debbil.

1) No need to guess, American lives are all that matter.
2) Depends, are they muzzies?