Re: Battle for Mosul and Iraq in General

[VictorG]

I agree as well......In Iraq, they are adjusting for that fact plus lower prices for the oil by diversifying their economy and there is also a lot of talk about starting industries that use oil in products and exporting those products......That would remain a huge market....

We shouldn't be buying oil from them we should be selling them food.

At one time Iraq produced lots and lots of food. The Euphrates valley is a rich agricultural valley much like the San Joaquin valley in California. IMO, in a few years Iraq will again be a major exporter of agriculture products and eventually the major supplier of food in the middle east.

[CID1990]

I agree as well......In Iraq, they are adjusting for that fact plus lower prices for the oil by diversifying their economy and there is also a lot of talk about starting industries that use oil in products and exporting those products......That would remain a huge market....

We shouldn't be buying oil from them we should be selling them food.

They grow a surplus of food there. They literally garden in the highway medians. The war has stopped exports but they are in no danger of a famine


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[VictorG]

(Kind of hard to understand all of the translation but most is clear.)

Abadi meets the security leadership determines the date of declaration of the entire liberation of Mosul


The Journal News

A leading figure in the popular crowd on Tuesday that "the security leaders set the end of this April deadline to declare victory over Daesh."

The leader's "News Journal, said that" the security leaders, "I told Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to announce the end of the month of April the current release of Mosul completely from the grip of the organization Daesh."

The leader, who declined to be named, said "the prime minister met with the joint operations and the leaders of the crowd to determine the end of this month from the liberation of Mosul Daesh."

Iraqi forces achieve progress in the right side of the city of Mosul, the shares in the liberation of most of the areas of the coast with only keep 6 neighborhoods are liberated by virtue of military, especially with the siege completely. "

The head of the anti-terrorism team first corner called Hgati that "common pieces continue to rush a steady pace in order to resolve the battle to liberate the remaining area of the right coast a few percentage in preparation for the declaration of the city of Mosul fully liberated." He added that "the pieces completely purge completed 32 out alive 38 dead included within this coast, along with Mosul International Airport and Camp Ghazlani Alstrutegeyn."

The official spokesman for the fight against a terrorism morning Numan also revealed, for receiving the organization of "Daesh" heavy losses over the past four days in the northern axis of the coast right by the heroes of the machine, especially in my neighborhood wells and Tanak, pointing out that the statistical initial refers to the killing of 2900 terrorists Daesh ".

http://www.aljournal.com/security/myapp-14038/

[CID1990]

Now hopefully the government in Baghdad won't just sit back and drink tea and let these assholes come back in 6 months.




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[VictorG]

Now hopefully the government in Baghdad won't just sit back and drink tea and let these assholes come back in 6 months.

There will certainly be uncertainty after Mosul, but it will be the un-arming of various militias or incorporating them within the framework of the Iraq military and police forces that will be the cause. One of the biggest problems will also be getting the Iranian backed militias disbursed or out of Iraq. It will be interesting to see what unfolds.

As far as ISIS returning, I don't think there is much chance of that. The US will maintain a military presents there for quite some time because of ISIS but also because of Iran.....

[VictorG]

Been meaning to post this but keep forgetting....This should be a good indication of how much Iraq will be a part in the future of the US. I have read articles previously that states the 750M in the article below ended up being waaaayyyyyyy over 1B.

Embassy of the United States, Baghdad

The Embassy of the United States of America in Baghdad is the diplomatic mission of United States of America in the Republic of Iraq. Ambassador Stuart E. Jones is currently the Chief of Mission.

At 104 acres (42 ha), it is the largest and most expensive embassy in the world, and is nearly as large as Vatican City.[1] The embassy complex is about five times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan, which is the second largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad, and over ten times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, which is the third largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad.[2]

The Embassy opened in January 2009 following a series of construction delays. It replaced the previous embassy, which opened July 1, 2004 in Baghdad's Green Zone in a former Palace of Saddam Hussein.[3] The embassy complex cost $750 million to build and reached a peak staffing of 16,000 employees and contractors in 2012.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_o ... s,_Baghdad

[CID1990]

Been meaning to post this but keep forgetting....This should be a good indication of how much Iraq will be a part in the future of the US. I have read articles previously that states the 750M in the article below ended up being waaaayyyyyyy over 1B.

Embassy of the United States, Baghdad

The Embassy of the United States of America in Baghdad is the diplomatic mission of United States of America in the Republic of Iraq. Ambassador Stuart E. Jones is currently the Chief of Mission.

At 104 acres (42 ha), it is the largest and most expensive embassy in the world, and is nearly as large as Vatican City.[1] The embassy complex is about five times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan, which is the second largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad, and over ten times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, which is the third largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad.[2]

The Embassy opened in January 2009 following a series of construction delays. It replaced the previous embassy, which opened July 1, 2004 in Baghdad's Green Zone in a former Palace of Saddam Hussein.[3] The embassy complex cost $750 million to build and reached a peak staffing of 16,000 employees and contractors in 2012.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_o ... s,_Baghdad

I wouldn't read too much into the size or cost of that embassy. I was there when they were building it and it is simply large because it has to be big and self contained, and a fortress. Couple that with the truckloads of cash we were throwing at that nation building effort and voila-

our biggest embassy in the world

we used to joke that it would be the future Iranian embassy and that still may happen if Al Sadr and Co get their way and force us out


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[cx500d]

Been meaning to post this but keep forgetting....This should be a good indication of how much Iraq will be a part in the future of the US. I have read articles previously that states the 750M in the article below ended up being waaaayyyyyyy over 1B.

Embassy of the United States, Baghdad

The Embassy of the United States of America in Baghdad is the diplomatic mission of United States of America in the Republic of Iraq. Ambassador Stuart E. Jones is currently the Chief of Mission.

At 104 acres (42 ha), it is the largest and most expensive embassy in the world, and is nearly as large as Vatican City.[1] The embassy complex is about five times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan, which is the second largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad, and over ten times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, which is the third largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad.[2]

The Embassy opened in January 2009 following a series of construction delays. It replaced the previous embassy, which opened July 1, 2004 in Baghdad's Green Zone in a former Palace of Saddam Hussein.[3] The embassy complex cost $750 million to build and reached a peak staffing of 16,000 employees and contractors in 2012.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_o ... s,_Baghdad

I wouldn't read too much into the size or cost of that embassy. I was there when they were building it and it is simply large because it has to be big and self contained, and a fortress. Couple that with the truckloads of cash we were throwing at that nation building effort and voila-

our biggest embassy in the world

we used to joke that it would be the future Iranian embassy and that still may happen if Al Sadr and Co get their way and force us out


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Yeah, back in the 80's one of our biggest embassies was in El Salvador. We tend to make big embassies in war zones for some reason.


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[CID1990]

I wouldn't read too much into the size or cost of that embassy. I was there when they were building it and it is simply large because it has to be big and self contained, and a fortress. Couple that with the truckloads of cash we were throwing at that nation building effort and voila-

our biggest embassy in the world

we used to joke that it would be the future Iranian embassy and that still may happen if Al Sadr and Co get their way and force us out


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Yeah, back in the 80's one of our biggest embassies was in El Salvador. We tend to make big embassies in war zones for some reason.


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Correct.

San Sal is now our second largest Embassy (I served there two years)

That's in terms of physical footprint. In terms of personnel there are several that are larger, like London

In El Salvador we affectionately call it the "battleship in a duck pond"


Most Embassy properties are spread out... the Chancery, and then sometimes the AMB residence will be a separate property, and then there will be warehouse facilities that are also separate. When built in conflict zones they tend to be all in one enchilada, self contained and capable of withstanding a short siege

Ironically, the one in San Salvador is in the Antigua de Cuscatlan area, which is a bowl. It is literally ringed by a ridge and the homes up on the ridge are now upscale residences, but back during the war it was easy to get up there with a rifle or a mortar tube and a 5 year old could have zeroed them

It's the last place I would have put the Embassy in the 1980s, but I guess they knew something I didn't since the new facility was never attacked to my knowledge

[cx500d]

Yeah, back in the 80's one of our biggest embassies was in El Salvador. We tend to make big embassies in war zones for some reason.


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Correct.

San Sal is now our second largest Embassy (I served there two years)

That's in terms of physical footprint. In terms of personnel there are several that are larger, like London

In El Salvador we affectionately call it the "battleship in a duck pond"


Most Embassy properties are spread out... the Chancery, and then sometimes the AMB residence will be a separate property, and then there will be warehouse facilities that are also separate. When built in conflict zones they tend to be all in one enchilada, self contained and capable of withstanding a short siege

Ironically, the one in San Salvador is in the Antigua de Cuscatlan area, which is a bowl. It is literally ringed by a ridge and the homes up on the ridge are now upscale residences, but back during the war it was easy to get up there with a rifle or a mortar tube and a 5 year old could have zeroed them

It's the last place I would have put the Embassy in the 1980s, but I guess they knew something I didn't since the new facility was never attacked to my knowledge

Yes, I went to the embassy a few times when we rolled through our detachments to the Comalapa FOL. It was a real pretty site, had a bunch of fruit trees if my memory still works.


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[CID1990]

Correct.

San Sal is now our second largest Embassy (I served there two years)

That's in terms of physical footprint. In terms of personnel there are several that are larger, like London

In El Salvador we affectionately call it the "battleship in a duck pond"


Most Embassy properties are spread out... the Chancery, and then sometimes the AMB residence will be a separate property, and then there will be warehouse facilities that are also separate. When built in conflict zones they tend to be all in one enchilada, self contained and capable of withstanding a short siege

Ironically, the one in San Salvador is in the Antigua de Cuscatlan area, which is a bowl. It is literally ringed by a ridge and the homes up on the ridge are now upscale residences, but back during the war it was easy to get up there with a rifle or a mortar tube and a 5 year old could have zeroed them

It's the last place I would have put the Embassy in the 1980s, but I guess they knew something I didn't since the new facility was never attacked to my knowledge

Yes, I went to the embassy a few times when we rolled through our detachments to the Comalapa FOL. It was a real pretty site, had a bunch of fruit trees if my memory still works.


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Still does- and the local staff strip them bare before they fully ripen

I assume it was the local staff- I never saw any birds flying away with oranges


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[VictorG]

Iraq is already rebuilding and has been for years. Very interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVZzwYIIfg8

More current info on same city http://tradearabia.com/news/CONS_318845.html


And here is the future...

https://www.dezeen.com/2015/11/19/world ... rchitects/

[VictorG]

More on Mosul from yesterday. Important to note, the old city has been the hangup for the last month or more. It's the most populated area and the streets are so narrow armored equipment cannot get through so the fighting has mostly been on foot. The old city is supposed to be cleared within the next 2 days. Huge news.....


Abadi announces release of Mosul, the entire end of the month

A source in the office of the Prime Minister, on Wednesday, ready commander of the armed forces Haider al - Abadi , to announce the complete liberation of the city of Mosul by the thirtieth of April / April. The source indicated that " the remaining neighborhoods are only 6, and will edit the old city within two days, a neighborhood that is a stronghold of the remnants of the " Daesh " in Ayman Mosul , " noting that "preliminary indications of the security forces and the Center for Joint Special Operations Command confirms the liberation of all neighborhoods in within a week from now. "

"The security forces need a few days after the liberation of the city to conduct combing operations, secure the arrival of food for the population, and the evacuation of wounded civilians, and also the delivery of convoys of international and humanitarian organizations to the region." The source continued that "the visit of Prime Minister General Commander of the Armed Forces Haider al-Abadi, a conductor morning is for the purpose of standing on the deadline for the liberation of Mosul in full, which will be the end of the month of April / April. The Prime Minister and Commander of the Armed Forces Haider al-Abadi, has at a time from an earlier Wednesday, a visit to Mosul to inspect pieces of operations are coming, Nineveh, and hold a meeting with their leaders.

- See more at: http://www.arabstoday.net/36/170319-%D8 ... thash.w0q0

[VictorG]

Mosul: the start of the largest transactions of stability since World War II



Thursday , April 20, 2017
The United Nations announced the start of operations of the implementation of 202 projects to speed up the stability of Mosul in one of the largest initiatives of stability since World War II.
The Iraqi government has given the green light to start financing stability of the UNDP project through the implementation of 202 new projects to speed up the immediate stability in the province of Nineveh and its capital Mosul.
Will these projects to reform water, sanitation and electricity affected and the rehabilitation of education and health facilities, and strengthen the local economy through the employment of young people in working groups to remove debris and open transport and the revitalization of the city roads as the UN mission in Iraq said , "UNAMI , " the report said , adding that the networks of these basic services will pave the way for the return Nazhabn to the liberated areas.
The resident representative of UNDP in Iraq Lise Grande "This decision comes at the right moment. Many of the ongoing work already, but there is still much to be done. We are ready, and now we have the green light to move forward."
These projects were prepared by the directorates in major provinces, in cooperation with the financing of stability project, designed to support stability efforts in the city of Mosul and Nineveh province in general.
Since the start of military operations to restore Mosul six months ago , displaced nearly half a million people from their homes. More than two years and a half from the control of the organization of the ongoing conflict Daesh and to the infrastructure of the city of Mosul , has resulted in the destruction of as many destroyed homes, damaged schools and health centers, public ruin and solving vital infrastructure.
Once you edit west of Mosul , the end of the process of organizing Daesh will be the task of reconstruction securely and effectively one of the greatest stability initiatives since World War II.
It works funding for the immediate stabilization fund, which was established in June 2015 in areas newly liberated in the governorates of Anbar, Salahuddin, Nineveh and Diyala project. There are more than 500 projects have been completed or are being implemented in 22 locations. It has returned since the beginning of the crisis more than 1.6 million displaced people to their homes.

http://www.kitabat.com/ar/page/20/04/20 ... D8%A9.html