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Doesn't have to be 4-year bachelor's programs.
Tennessee, smack dab in the heart of MAGA country, made community college free. Definitely a step in the right direction. And, led by conservative Republicans.
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Trade schools too. Hell pay people to go to those.
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Well at least you hit on something we need more of. It certainly isn't more Associates degrees. But why not let the related companies and unions pay for it. Why do I have to pay for it and then pay for it when my HVAC system breaks down or water valve springs a leak?∞∞∞ wrote:Trade schools too. Hell pay people to go to those.
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One could argue that if we all benefit from an educated population. Better than the alternative.CAA Flagship wrote:78% of my property taxes go to schools. And that only covers through 12th grade. The tax cost for the next 4 years will likely be at least 50% of the tax cost of the first 12 years (so $4k per year will jump to $6k per year - forever). People with 4 and 5 kids are benefiting. People with no kids are getting killed. How much more suffering do you want people with no kids to have to endure? Is that really fair?∞∞∞ wrote: Wanting universal healthcare, better pay, and free education...
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For what purpose, though? What does two more years in a community college get you? It's not a terrible thing, but again, if you don't really need college, is an associates degree really worth it? Why is 14 years of school so much better than 12, and is it worth the price tag? 4 year colleges aren't dumb, if you're going to transfer from a community college to one to finish the degree, either the credits won't transfer and you need to spend more than 2 years there, or the cost will be increased accordingly to not lose that money. In the end, what have we gained?Skjellyfetti wrote:Doesn't have to be 4-year bachelor's programs.
Tennessee, smack dab in the heart of MAGA country, made community college free. Definitely a step in the right direction. And, led by conservative Republicans.
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Unless CC’s have changed since I attended there are all sorts of 2 year - vocationally oriented degrees from book keeping to turf grass management to automotive repair.GannonFan wrote:For what purpose, though? What does two more years in a community college get you? It's not a terrible thing, but again, if you don't really need college, is an associates degree really worth it? Why is 14 years of school so much better than 12, and is it worth the price tag? 4 year colleges aren't dumb, if you're going to transfer from a community college to one to finish the degree, either the credits won't transfer and you need to spend more than 2 years there, or the cost will be increased accordingly to not lose that money. In the end, what have we gained?Skjellyfetti wrote:Doesn't have to be 4-year bachelor's programs.
Tennessee, smack dab in the heart of MAGA country, made community college free. Definitely a step in the right direction. And, led by conservative Republicans.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez: The Upper-Middle Class Doesn't Exist Anymore in America
Ibanez wrote:One could argue that if we all benefit from an educated population. Better than the alternative.CAA Flagship wrote:
78% of my property taxes go to schools. And that only covers through 12th grade. The tax cost for the next 4 years will likely be at least 50% of the tax cost of the first 12 years (so $4k per year will jump to $6k per year - forever). People with 4 and 5 kids are benefiting. People with no kids are getting killed. How much more suffering do you want people with no kids to have to endure? Is that really fair?
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And I'm one of them. But the workforce does not warrant it. I'm fine with ending at 12th grade. I went to a public high school. There were plenty of people that had no business going to college. Hell, I guess they won't be accepted anyway, but then again, who knows?Ibanez wrote:One could argue that if we all benefit from an educated population. Better than the alternative.CAA Flagship wrote:
78% of my property taxes go to schools. And that only covers through 12th grade. The tax cost for the next 4 years will likely be at least 50% of the tax cost of the first 12 years (so $4k per year will jump to $6k per year - forever). People with 4 and 5 kids are benefiting. People with no kids are getting killed. How much more suffering do you want people with no kids to have to endure? Is that really fair?
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But that would mean Trump wouldn't be President. Ok. Of course I think that would be consistent with what you said. But understand that a more educated population would probably mean somebody like Trump would never be President.Ibanez wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
One could argue that if we all benefit from an educated population.
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Exactly. Community colleges have a wide range of vocational programs. If anything, I bet they've expanded their programs since you attended.kalm wrote:Unless CC’s have changed since I attended there are all sorts of 2 year - vocationally oriented degrees from book keeping to turf grass management to automotive repair.GannonFan wrote:
For what purpose, though? What does two more years in a community college get you? It's not a terrible thing, but again, if you don't really need college, is an associates degree really worth it? Why is 14 years of school so much better than 12, and is it worth the price tag? 4 year colleges aren't dumb, if you're going to transfer from a community college to one to finish the degree, either the credits won't transfer and you need to spend more than 2 years there, or the cost will be increased accordingly to not lose that money. In the end, what have we gained?
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Me being from the great state of Washington, and you from Montana, I’ve pretty much subsidized your education.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Ibanez wrote: One could argue that if we all benefit from an educated population. Better than the alternative.
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If you want to go to school you pay for it. Im not going to. You earn things you dont get them for free, if that shit starts being the norm I know how I am going to go out.
Look what good it’s done....
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I'm good with that, then. I wasn't up to speed on what you can get in the two year degree from the community college. I like the idea and I would support making that free. I still think it should be a local thing, just like K-12 schooling is. But I'd vote for it in my community.kalm wrote:Unless CC’s have changed since I attended there are all sorts of 2 year - vocationally oriented degrees from book keeping to turf grass management to automotive repair.GannonFan wrote:
For what purpose, though? What does two more years in a community college get you? It's not a terrible thing, but again, if you don't really need college, is an associates degree really worth it? Why is 14 years of school so much better than 12, and is it worth the price tag? 4 year colleges aren't dumb, if you're going to transfer from a community college to one to finish the degree, either the credits won't transfer and you need to spend more than 2 years there, or the cost will be increased accordingly to not lose that money. In the end, what have we gained?
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I don't think that is the entire story for Tennessee. You have to be an independent student (min. 24 years old), and they pay only the part not covered by scholarships, grants, and aids.Skjellyfetti wrote:Doesn't have to be 4-year bachelor's programs.
Tennessee, smack dab in the heart of MAGA country, made community college free. Definitely a step in the right direction. And, led by conservative Republicans.
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I’m all for free four year college, as long as they can get it in place by September 2023.
And then it needs to run at least seven years.
And then I hope it is determined to be a drain on society and goes away.
So there it is: I support free college education from September 2023 through May 2030. My 8th and 5th graders support this as well.
And then it needs to run at least seven years.
And then I hope it is determined to be a drain on society and goes away.
So there it is: I support free college education from September 2023 through May 2030. My 8th and 5th graders support this as well.
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Something tells me you're biased....93henfan wrote:I’m all for free four year college, as long as they can get it in place by September 2023.
And then it needs to run at least seven years.
And then I hope it is determined to be a drain on society and goes away.
So there it is: I support free college education from September 2023 through May 2030. My 8th and 5th graders support this as well.
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Wuuuut?Ibanez wrote:Something tells me you're biased....93henfan wrote:I’m all for free four year college, as long as they can get it in place by September 2023.
And then it needs to run at least seven years.
And then I hope it is determined to be a drain on society and goes away.
So there it is: I support free college education from September 2023 through May 2030. My 8th and 5th graders support this as well.
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Mine was all paid for by me.kalm wrote:Me being from the great state of Washington, and you from Montana, I’ve pretty much subsidized your education.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Bullshit
If you want to go to school you pay for it. Im not going to. You earn things you dont get them for free, if that shit starts being the norm I know how I am going to go out.
Look what good it’s done....
I agree with your outcome though
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They recently expanded it to include adults - who have to be considered FAFSA independent. I believe that's what you're referencingCAA Flagship wrote:I don't think that is the entire story for Tennessee. You have to be an independent student (min. 24 years old), and they pay only the part not covered by scholarships, grants, and aids.Skjellyfetti wrote:Doesn't have to be 4-year bachelor's programs.
Tennessee, smack dab in the heart of MAGA country, made community college free. Definitely a step in the right direction. And, led by conservative Republicans.
The original from 2014 was for recent high school graduates only.
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Free college is perhaps the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. I read an article a long time ago that about 25% of people work in the field in which they study. So 75% basically went to school to have fun and develop their social skills. Now, if you want to make trade schools free...
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I'm not sure but I think that may be a little bit misleading. Like for instance I majored in biology. And I have noted that there are an awful lot of jobs that require something like "30 hours in biology" but the aren't biologists jobs.89Hen wrote:Free college is perhaps the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. I read an article a long time ago that about 25% of people work in the field in which they study. So 75% basically went to school to have fun and develop their social skills. Now, if you want to make trade schools free...
I actually had someone talk to me about that recently. They were talking about how somebody's son got an engineering degree and he couldn't qualify for a State job as a Sanitarian because he didn't have enough biology hours.
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There's always the "rest of the story" that has to be clarified with this ding dong when he postsCAA Flagship wrote:I don't think that is the entire story for Tennessee. You have to be an independent student (min. 24 years old), and they pay only the part not covered by scholarships, grants, and aids.Skjellyfetti wrote:Doesn't have to be 4-year bachelor's programs.
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When I hear ding dong I think of:CID1990 wrote:There's always the "rest of the story" that has to be clarified with this ding dong when he postsCAA Flagship wrote: I don't think that is the entire story for Tennessee. You have to be an independent student (min. 24 years old), and they pay only the part not covered by scholarships, grants, and aids.
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So that would probably fall in the 25% category then.JohnStOnge wrote:I'm not sure but I think that may be a little bit misleading. Like for instance I majored in biology. And I have noted that there are an awful lot of jobs that require something like "30 hours in biology" but the aren't biologists jobs.89Hen wrote:Free college is perhaps the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. I read an article a long time ago that about 25% of people work in the field in which they study. So 75% basically went to school to have fun and develop their social skills. Now, if you want to make trade schools free...
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NYU just made med school free for current and future students..after planning and saving for almost 10 years.
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That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there 89 ...89Hen wrote:Free college is perhaps the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. I read an article a long time ago that about 25% of people work in the field in which they study. So 75% basically went to school to have fun and develop their social skills. Now, if you want to make trade schools free...
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