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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

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kalm wrote:
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After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?

I'd like to think Weber could take them down on a Neutral site, in fact last year I think Weber would have beaten them Home, Away or Neutral
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Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
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After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?
Although I'm a follower of A&T they would get smoked by these powerhouse schools.
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Wildcat Ryan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?

I'd like to think Weber could take them down on a Neutral site, in fact last year I think Weber would have beaten them Home, Away or Neutral
I think there are lot of teams that could beat them, and Weber would be on the list. Would they be a heavy favorite, probably favorite. NCAT wins some ugly, close games. That's what I'm giving them credit for.
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Wildcat Ryan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?

I'd like to think Weber could take them down on a Neutral site, in fact last year I think Weber would have beaten them Home, Away or Neutral
Would love to see these games on ESPN of course!!!!
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Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
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After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?
Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.
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kalm wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?
Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.
That was 2 years ago, and it was 39-10, just to put up the right numbers. They also lost to NC Central the week prior, 42-21 in 2016. They have not lost a game since the Richmond game. A&T won the TOP, which is a key stat, at least looking at the game as a Bison fan. When the field got smaller inside the 20's, A&T gets tougher. Sloppy game, but A&T wins a lot of this type of game.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.
That was 2 years ago, and it was 39-10, just to put up the right numbers. They also lost to NC Central the week prior, 42-21 in 2016. They have not lost a game since the Richmond game. A&T won the TOP, which is a key stat, at least looking at the game as a Bison fan. When the field got smaller inside the 20's, A&T gets tougher. Sloppy game, but A&T wins a lot of this type of game.
Richmond lost 38-0 in the quarters.
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kalm wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
That was 2 years ago, and it was 39-10, just to put up the right numbers. They also lost to NC Central the week prior, 42-21 in 2016. They have not lost a game since the Richmond game. A&T won the TOP, which is a key stat, at least looking at the game as a Bison fan. When the field got smaller inside the 20's, A&T gets tougher. Sloppy game, but A&T wins a lot of this type of game.
Richmond lost 38-0 in the quarters.
Ok, I misread that. Richmond did beat the Big Sky Champion the previous week.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Aggies have beaten a good team and deserve to move up in the polls.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Aggies have beaten a good team and deserve to move up in the polls.
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Says the guy trumpeting FCS being watered down. FCS looks like 1 & 2 and then guess who this year.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
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Richmond lost 38-0 in the quarters.
Ok, I misread that. Richmond did beat the Big Sky Champion the previous week.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Says the guy trumpeting FCS being watered down.
Huh? :suspicious:
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89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Says the guy trumpeting FCS being watered down.
Huh? :suspicious:
I clearly remember you saying I-AA 10 and 20 years ago was much tougher than the current product. Until we play some games this year, NDSU and JMU look to be in one group, and the next 20 teams in another. A&T proved it this weekend. #19 defeating #8.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote: Huh? :suspicious:
I clearly remember you saying I-AA 10 and 20 years ago was much tougher than the current product. Until we play some games this year, NDSU and JMU look to be in one group, and the next 20 teams in another. A&T proved it this weekend. #19 defeating #8.
Oh, yes. That is true. But you were fishing.
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89Hen wrote:
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I clearly remember you saying I-AA 10 and 20 years ago was much tougher than the current product. Until we play some games this year, NDSU and JMU look to be in one group, and the next 20 teams in another. A&T proved it this weekend. #19 defeating #8.
Oh, yes. That is true. But you were fishing.
If A&T beat East Carolina, they had an argument for top 10, if they already don't.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote: Oh, yes. That is true. But you were fishing.
If A&T beat East Carolina, they had an argument for top 10, if they already don't.
Meh. A&T or JSU would finish 7-5 at best in the CAA or MVFC.
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The Aggies would struggle against any of the option teams, and Kennesaw St would roll all over them


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89Hen wrote:
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If A&T beat East Carolina, they had an argument for top 10, if they already don't.
Meh. A&T or JSU would finish 7-5 at best in the CAA or MVFC.
Agree, I think you will see a lot of 7-5 teams this year. At this point of the season, I don't know which top 20 teams are going to step it up and finish 2nd in those conferences. At least A&T has a win against a top 20 team. There are a few teams that would run the table in the MEAC and OVC, as A&T and JSU may do this year.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.
That was 2 years ago, and it was 39-10, just to put up the right numbers. They also lost to NC Central the week prior, 42-21 in 2016. They have not lost a game since the Richmond game. A&T won the TOP, which is a key stat, at least looking at the game as a Bison fan. When the field got smaller inside the 20's, A&T gets tougher. Sloppy game, but A&T wins a lot of this type of game.
The new head coach SAM WASHINGTON was the former defensive coordinator.
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CID1990 wrote:The Aggies would struggle against any of the option teams, and Kennesaw St would roll all over them


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Kennesaw St is a upcoming power in the FCS!!!!
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dal4018 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:The Aggies would struggle against any of the option teams, and Kennesaw St would roll all over them


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Kennesaw St is a upcoming power in the FCS!!!!
Agree, probably the #3 team to start the season.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
dal4018 wrote:Kennesaw St is a upcoming power in the FCS!!!!
Agree, probably the #3 team to start the season.
1. North Carolina A&T
2. Kennesaw State
3. Jacksonville State

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If A&T continues to field good teams like they have over the last few years, then maybe it's time for them to follow Hampton? And get into a playoff conference. Last year's NC A&T deserved a spot.
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Wildcat Ryan wrote:If A&T continues to field good teams like they have over the last few years, then maybe it's time for them to follow Hampton? And get into a playoff conference. Last year's NC A&T deserved a spot.
Agreed. Like the three year stretch Hampton went 31-2 in the regular season and lost first round... all three years. Or the two years running when Bethune-Cookman went 15-1 in the MEAC and lost first round... both years. Or that time a MEAC team won a playoff game in the 2000's. Oh wait, that never happened.
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89Hen wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:If A&T continues to field good teams like they have over the last few years, then maybe it's time for them to follow Hampton? And get into a playoff conference. Last year's NC A&T deserved a spot.
Agreed. Like the three year stretch Hampton went 31-2 in the regular season and lost first round... all three years. Or the two years running when Bethune-Cookman went 15-1 in the MEAC and lost first round... both years. Or that time a MEAC team won a playoff game in the 2000's. Oh wait, that never happened.

Getting out of the MEAC would be a good start for them. Get into a conference that has more "prestige" and they might be able to get some first round home games. :coffee:
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