Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote: You mean back when I-AA wasn't as strong overall? Check.
FCS - NDSU in 6 of the last 9 championship games, 7 out of 10 including this year.
FBS - Alabama in 6 of the last 9 championship games, TBD

Is FBS down too?
Alabama just knows how to game the system. Big difference when only 2 or 4 teams are invited vs 16 or 24.
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Take Nick Saban out of Alabama, Alabama becomes what LSU or Florida is now.

But NDSU had a 3-peat with a coach on a 43-2 run who is 28-35 at Wyoming, and then Chris Klieman takes over and is 68-6 and counting, which means he has the highest winning percentage of any current DI coach and any of the all-time great FCS coaches.

Alabama isn't on the cusp of 7 national championships in 8 years, either. Alabama has 5 of the last 9.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Pwns wrote:Take Nick Saban out of Alabama, Alabama becomes what LSU or Florida is now.

But NDSU had a 3-peat with a coach on a 43-2 run who is 28-35 at Wyoming, and then Chris Klieman takes over and is 68-6 and counting, which means he has the highest winning percentage of any current DI coach and any of the all-time great FCS coaches.

Alabama isn't on the cusp of 7 national championships in 8 years, either. Alabama has 5 of the last 9.
It's a UNI thing. Our S&C coach was at UNI until 2003, and Klieman was a DC at UNI until 2011, and current New HC was a DC at UNI, along with our OC who played at UNI. Now you know the rest of the story for UNI.
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Pwns wrote:Take Nick Saban out of Alabama, Alabama becomes what LSU or Florida is now.

But NDSU had a 3-peat with a coach on a 43-2 run who is 28-35 at Wyoming, and then Chris Klieman takes over and is 68-6 and counting, which means he has the highest winning percentage of any current DI coach and any of the all-time great FCS coaches.

Alabama isn't on the cusp of 7 national championships in 8 years, either. Alabama has 5 of the last 9.
Well, Alabama has to contend with the fact that the best teams in FBS aren't moving up to the NFL. NDSU can stay where they are and watch teams leave. Just saying.
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GannonFan wrote:
Pwns wrote:Take Nick Saban out of Alabama, Alabama becomes what LSU or Florida is now.

But NDSU had a 3-peat with a coach on a 43-2 run who is 28-35 at Wyoming, and then Chris Klieman takes over and is 68-6 and counting, which means he has the highest winning percentage of any current DI coach and any of the all-time great FCS coaches.

Alabama isn't on the cusp of 7 national championships in 8 years, either. Alabama has 5 of the last 9.
Well, Alabama has to contend with the fact that the best teams in FBS aren't moving up to the NFL. NDSU can stay where they are and watch teams leave. Just saying.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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The chart below shows the number of teams per FBS & FCS, with an average increase in the USA population of around 26,000,000 every 10 years. There were a lot of football schools that dropped the sport between 1978 and today, I counted 22. Plenty of kids to fill the shoes of FBS and FCS without the quality of football going down.

Year Teams USA Population
2018 130 FBS 326,766,748
125 FCS
2008 120 FBS 304,374,846
124 FCS
1998 112 FBS 270,298,524
123 FCS
1988 104 FBS 244,498,982
89 FCS
1978 138 FBS 222,584,545
41 FCS
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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93henfan wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Well, Alabama has to contend with the fact that the best teams in FBS aren't moving up to the NFL. NDSU can stay where they are and watch teams leave. Just saying.
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This isn’t an EC(b) / west coast thing. It’s just that other than JMU for a couple years, the CAA has been down and has struggled against the Patriot, Ivy, and NEC of late. I watched the CAA champ, Maine in person last week and while they’re a good team tgeyvwerent as tough as Nicholls State and Davis.

Power shifts and I’m sure it will shift back towards the CAA soon.

Keep your heads up, little campers!
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kalm wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Grapeshot fired. :lol:

I heart this thread.

Keep fighting, Men of the East(cb).
This isn’t an EC(b) / west coast thing. It’s just that other than JMU for a couple years, the CAA has been down and has struggled against the Patriot, Ivy, and NEC of late. I watched the CAA champ, Maine in person last week and while they’re a good team tgeyvwerent as tough as Nicholls State and Davis.

Power shifts and I’m sure it will shift back towards the CAA soon.

Keep your heads up, little campers!
Yet, oddly, they beat the tournament #2 seed and Big Sky co-champs like bitches on their home field.

Imagine that! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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93henfan wrote:
kalm wrote:
This isn’t an EC(b) / west coast thing. It’s just that other than JMU for a couple years, the CAA has been down and has struggled against the Patriot, Ivy, and NEC of late. I watched the CAA champ, Maine in person last week and while they’re a good team tgeyvwerent as tough as Nicholls State and Davis.

Power shifts and I’m sure it will shift back towards the CAA soon.

Keep your heads up, little campers!
Yet, oddly, they beat the tournament #2 seed and Big Sky co-champs like bitches on their home field.

Imagine that! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That’s what happens sometimes when your young QB throws 4 picks in a half. Weber was no Duchesne, Colgate, or SEMO.
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kalm wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Yet, oddly, they beat the tournament #2 seed and Big Sky co-champs like bitches on their home field.

Imagine that! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That’s what happens sometimes when your young QB throws 4 picks in a half. Weber was no Duchesne, Colgate, or SEMO.
Or Yale. :coffee:
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Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
That’s what happens sometimes when your young QB throws 4 picks in a half. Weber was no Duchesne, Colgate, or SEMO.
Or Yale. :coffee:
Montana State beat Colorado in 2006 and lost to DII Chadron State the next week.

Things go up, things go down. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Certain fans CAAn't explain that!
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kalm wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Or Yale. :coffee:
Montana State beat Colorado in 2006 and lost to DII Chadron State the next week.

Things go up, things go down. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Certain fans CAAn't explain that!
We did explain it, 800 times. The tide is way, way out right now, with the exception of NDSU.

So back to the thread title. Again. Yes, FCS beside NDSU really is this bad.
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93henfan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Montana State beat Colorado in 2006 and lost to DII Chadron State the next week.

Things go up, things go down. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Certain fans CAAn't explain that!
We did explain it, 800 times. The tide is way, way out right now, with the exception of NDSU.

So back to the thread title. Again. Yes, FCS beside NDSU really is this bad.
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93henfan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Montana State beat Colorado in 2006 and lost to DII Chadron State the next week.

Things go up, things go down. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Certain fans CAAn't explain that!
We did explain it, 800 times. The tide is way, way out right now, with the exception of NDSU.

So back to the thread title. Again. Yes, FCS beside NDSU really is this bad.
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kalm wrote:
93henfan wrote:
We did explain it, 800 times. The tide is way, way out right now, with the exception of NDSU.

So back to the thread title. Again. Yes, FCS beside NDSU really is this bad.
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93henfan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Montana State beat Colorado in 2006 and lost to DII Chadron State the next week.

Things go up, things go down. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Certain fans CAAn't explain that!
We did explain it, 800 times. The tide is way, way out right now, with the exception of NDSU.

So back to the thread title. Again. Yes, FCS beside NDSU really is this bad.

Meh...
The CAA is down but the rest of the field seems about right

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Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote:
We did explain it, 800 times. The tide is way, way out right now, with the exception of NDSU.

So back to the thread title. Again. Yes, FCS beside NDSU really is this bad.

Meh...
The CAA is down but the rest of the field seems about right
The CAA is down. The SoCon is WAY down. The MVFC not named NDSU is down. The Southland is down. The Patriot is down. The NEC is down. The Big South is down. The Big Sky seems to be about on par.
clenz wrote:I'm watching the MVFC and looking back to SIU WKU and UNI of the same timeframe of the Gateway and it's crazy

UNI the last few years has somehow maintained top 25 status and finished second in the MVFC. They are UNI teams that would get curbed by UNI SIU WKU etc in conference play in the Gateway
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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Meh...
The CAA is down but the rest of the field seems about right
The CAA is down. The SoCon is WAY down. The MVFC not named NDSU is down. The Southland is down. The Patriot is down. The NEC is down. The Big South is down. The Big Sky seems to be about on par.
clenz wrote:I'm watching the MVFC and looking back to SIU WKU and UNI of the same timeframe of the Gateway and it's crazy

UNI the last few years has somehow maintained top 25 status and finished second in the MVFC. They are UNI teams that would get curbed by UNI SIU WKU etc in conference play in the Gateway
That's a broad brush stroke, being the NEC advanced in the playoffs, the Patroit Champ made the quarter finals, Big South continues to make the Quarterfinals, Southland team beats a Big 12 team and advance 3 teams to the playoffs. UNI sent all their good coaches to NDSU. Comparing UNI 3rd place team to the UNI conference champions of the past, is just what it is. In 2005 a 7-4 NDSU lost to a 9-4 SIU team 9-0, and in 2008 a 6-4 NDSU beat a 9-3 SIU team. The MVFC may look down because of NDSU, but it's the same tough conference.
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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Meh...
The CAA is down but the rest of the field seems about right
The CAA is down. The SoCon is WAY down. The MVFC not named NDSU is down. The Southland is down. The Patriot is down. The NEC is down. The Big South is down. The Big Sky seems to be about on par.
clenz wrote:I'm watching the MVFC and looking back to SIU WKU and UNI of the same timeframe of the Gateway and it's crazy

UNI the last few years has somehow maintained top 25 status and finished second in the MVFC. They are UNI teams that would get curbed by UNI SIU WKU etc in conference play in the Gateway
The MVFC has had 4 teams in the semi’s and one in the finals not named NDSU in the last 5 years....silly hen. :lol:
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Gil Dobie wrote:That's a broad brush stroke, being the NEC advanced in the playoffs, the Patroit Champ made the quarter finals, Big South continues to make the Quarterfinals, Southland team beats a Big 12 team and advance 3 teams to the playoffs...
Don't forget USD winning some playoff games. It's almost as if the field is weaker. :rofl:
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89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
FCS - NDSU in 6 of the last 9 championship games, 7 out of 10 including this year.
FBS - Alabama in 6 of the last 9 championship games, TBD

Is FBS down too?
Alabama just knows how to game the system. Big difference when only 2 or 4 teams are invited vs 16 or 24.
:lol: :lol:
I don't think that makes any difference with Alabama. Maybe all the OTHER schools, but they've been head and shoulders above every other FBS team for a decade now.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote: Alabama just knows how to game the system. Big difference when only 2 or 4 teams are invited vs 16 or 24.
:lol: :lol:
I don't think that makes any difference with Alabama. Maybe all the OTHER schools, but they've been head and shoulders above every other FBS team for a decade now.
So you don't think they make fewer championship games if they had to win 2-3 games to get there instead of one?
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89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:That's a broad brush stroke, being the NEC advanced in the playoffs, the Patroit Champ made the quarter finals, Big South continues to make the Quarterfinals, Southland team beats a Big 12 team and advance 3 teams to the playoffs...
Don't forget USD winning some playoff games. It's almost as if the field is weaker. :rofl:
More teams in the playoffs too, better chance for a win.
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: The CAA is down. The SoCon is WAY down. The MVFC not named NDSU is down. The Southland is down. The Patriot is down. The NEC is down. The Big South is down. The Big Sky seems to be about on par.
The MVFC has had 4 teams in the semi’s and one in the finals not named NDSU in the last 5 years....silly hen. :lol:
2 in the finals, Illinois St and Youngstown St.
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