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Postby Ibanez » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:35 pm

Come February, we’ll be out of Mad Dog...


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Postby 93henfan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:46 pm

Trump is such a fucking dolt. When you can't be saved by Marines, you're beyond saving. Mad Dog and Machine Gun tried their best.
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Postby Ibanez » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:56 pm

93henfan wrote:Trump is such a fucking dolt. When you can't be saved by Marines, you're beyond saving. Mad Dog and Machine Gun tried their best.


Better send in the.....anyone willing to be in the fading spotlight for a few months?


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Postby kalm » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:05 pm

Ibanez wrote:Come February, we’ll be out of Mad Dog...


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Only briefly....

Mad Dog 2020.

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Postby CID1990 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:40 pm

When it comes to Mattis....

Obama and Trump are same-same.... at odds with Mattis for exactly the same reasons


At least Trump got a resignation out of the guy instead of relieving him without even doing him the courtesy of letting him know
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Postby SeattleGriz » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:24 pm

CID1990 wrote:When it comes to Mattis....

Obama and Trump are same-same.... at odds with Mattis for exactly the same reasons


At least Trump got a resignation out of the guy instead of relieving him without even doing him the courtesy of letting him know
Obama even had to lead from behind when firing people.
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:37 pm

Apologies for not keeping this thread up to date. :D

Veselnitskaya indicted by SDNY.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/nyre ... tment.html

Trump appointed judge again bitchslaps Cid and SDHornet's favorite lawyers
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... rm-n955756

SCOTUS weighs in on the matter for the first time. Regarding a company owned by a foreign government fighting a Mueller subpoena.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

Manafort was sharing campaign data with Kilimnik during the campaign. Manafort traveled to Madrid during the campaign to meet with Kilimnik.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true
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Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:51 am

Chizzang wrote:
the fact that Fox News is even starting the process of covering the investigation is news worthy

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Don't you think..?


Now even acknowledging evidence of coordination. :lol: :D

Paul Manafort's lawyers, through a PDF malfunction, revealed this week that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has evidence that Manafort, when he served as Trump's campaign chairman, shared internal campaign polling data with an associate believed to be a Russian intelligence asset. This is a big deal, Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano told anchor Shepard Smith on Wednesday.

"This shows that Bob Mueller can demonstrate to a court, without the testimony of Paul Manafort, that the campaign had a connection to Russian intelligence and the connection involved information going from the campaign to the Russians," Napolitano said. "The question is, was this in return for a promise of something from the Russians, and did the candidate, now the president, know about it?” That would be "a conspiracy," he added, regardless of whether the Trump campaign actually got anything of value from the Russians.

"If this is collusion — though collusion isn't a crime — this would be collusion,” Smith said. "The crime is the conspiracy, the agreement," Napolitano said. "Collusion is a nonlegal term." "I know, but if there's collusion," Smith pressed, "giving stuff to the Russians about polling data ..." "Would probably fit into that kind of a category," Napolitano agreed.

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Postby css75 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:22 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:Apologies for not keeping this thread up to date. :D

Veselnitskaya indicted by SDNY.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/nyre ... tment.html

Trump appointed judge again bitchslaps Cid and SDHornet's favorite lawyers
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... rm-n955756

SCOTUS weighs in on the matter for the first time. Regarding a company owned by a foreign government fighting a Mueller subpoena.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

Manafort was sharing campaign data with Kilimnik during the campaign. Manafort traveled to Madrid during the campaign to meet with Kilimnik.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true


One big huge nothing


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Postby SDHornet » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:12 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Apologies for not keeping this thread up to date. :D

Veselnitskaya indicted by SDNY.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/nyre ... tment.html

Trump appointed judge again bitchslaps Cid and SDHornet's favorite lawyers
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... rm-n955756

SCOTUS weighs in on the matter for the first time. Regarding a company owned by a foreign government fighting a Mueller subpoena.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

Manafort was sharing campaign data with Kilimnik during the campaign. Manafort traveled to Madrid during the campaign to meet with Kilimnik.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

So no Trump-Russia collusion still? :rofl:

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Postby houndawg » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:17 pm

SDHornet wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Apologies for not keeping this thread up to date. :D

Veselnitskaya indicted by SDNY.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/nyre ... tment.html

Trump appointed judge again bitchslaps Cid and SDHornet's favorite lawyers
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... rm-n955756

SCOTUS weighs in on the matter for the first time. Regarding a company owned by a foreign government fighting a Mueller subpoena.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

Manafort was sharing campaign data with Kilimnik during the campaign. Manafort traveled to Madrid during the campaign to meet with Kilimnik.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

So no Trump-Russia collusion still? :rofl:


No such thing - but conspiracy and obstruction of justice are still in play and it is already being said that Manafort's lawyer's screw up wasn't unintentional. :coffee:

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Postby 93henfan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:20 pm

I'm hoping that the prison scenarios happen after a Democrat takes back the White House. No pardons.

Payback for this shutdown will be sweet.
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Postby houndawg » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:25 pm

93henfan wrote:I'm hoping that the prison scenarios happen after a Democrat takes back the White House. No pardons.

Payback for this shutdown will be sweet.


Put him in one of Jeff Sessions private prisons. I bet little Jeffie would nut so hard he'd accelerate backward like a crawdad. 8-)
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Postby ∞∞∞ » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:26 pm

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, took over the inquiry into Mr. Trump when he was appointed, days after F.B.I. officials opened it. That inquiry is part of Mr. Mueller’s broader examination of how Russian operatives interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Trump associates conspired with them. It is unclear whether Mr. Mueller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter, and some former law enforcement officials outside the investigation have questioned whether agents overstepped in opening it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/p ... quiry.html

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Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:35 pm

Frankly I think the President should be viewed as any other citizen is viewed. If law enforcement sees some indication that they should investigate the President for a crime he or she should be investigated for a crime just as anybody else would be. We in this country have put Presidents on WAY too high a pedestal for a long time. They're just another person doing a job. It's an important job. But their shit stinks just like everybody else's does. They are not royalty. They are not indispensable. They are not above the law.
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Postby mainejeff » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:35 am

JohnStOnge wrote:Frankly I think the President should be viewed as any other citizen is viewed. If law enforcement sees some indication that they should investigate the President for a crime he or she should be investigated for a crime just as anybody else would be. We in this country have put Presidents on WAY too high a pedestal for a long time. They're just another person doing a job. It's an important job. But their shit stinks just like everybody else's does. They are not royalty. They are not indispensable. They are not above the law.


Amen John! I don't see how anyone can argue with what you just stated.
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Postby SeattleGriz » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:30 am

JohnStOnge wrote:Frankly I think the President should be viewed as any other citizen is viewed. If law enforcement sees some indication that they should investigate the President for a crime he or she should be investigated for a crime just as anybody else would be. We in this country have put Presidents on WAY too high a pedestal for a long time. They're just another person doing a job. It's an important job. But their shit stinks just like everybody else's does. They are not royalty. They are not indispensable. They are not above the law.
We'll John, they did investigate Trump, and they're doing it like they would a true outsider.

No wink wink, nudge nudge and all is fine like they do with the majority of DC professionals.
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Postby CID1990 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:34 am

mainejeff wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Frankly I think the President should be viewed as any other citizen is viewed. If law enforcement sees some indication that they should investigate the President for a crime he or she should be investigated for a crime just as anybody else would be. We in this country have put Presidents on WAY too high a pedestal for a long time. They're just another person doing a job. It's an important job. But their **** stinks just like everybody else's does. They are not royalty. They are not indispensable. They are not above the law.


Amen John! I don't see how anyone can argue with what you just stated.


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JohnStOnge wrote:Frankly I think the President should be viewed as any other citizen is viewed. If law enforcement sees some indication that they should investigate the President for a crime he or she should be investigated for a crime just as anybody else would be. We in this country have put Presidents on WAY too high a pedestal for a long time. They're just another person doing a job. It's an important job. But their shit stinks just like everybody else's does. They are not royalty. They are not indispensable. They are not above the law.


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CID1990 wrote:When it comes to Mattis....

Obama and Trump are same-same.... at odds with Mattis for exactly the same reasons


At least Trump got a resignation out of the guy instead of relieving him without even doing him the courtesy of letting him know


Which one do you think put more stock in his advice?
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SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Frankly I think the President should be viewed as any other citizen is viewed. If law enforcement sees some indication that they should investigate the President for a crime he or she should be investigated for a crime just as anybody else would be. We in this country have put Presidents on WAY too high a pedestal for a long time. They're just another person doing a job. It's an important job. But their **** stinks just like everybody else's does. They are not royalty. They are not indispensable. They are not above the law.
We'll John, they did investigate Trump, and they're doing it like they would a true outsider.

No wink wink, nudge nudge and all is fine like they do with the majority of DC professionals.


:roll:

Twenty more years of it and he'll have a different take on Hillary. :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:When it comes to Mattis....

Obama and Trump are same-same.... at odds with Mattis for exactly the same reasons


At least Trump got a resignation out of the guy instead of relieving him without even doing him the courtesy of letting him know


Which one do you think put more stock in his advice?


I'd say it was a wash

Trump thinks he is always the smartest person in the room- that's a given

The Obama admin at large was generally contemptuous of the military, particularly the one who was micromanaging it- Susan Rice. Ignoring general officers was her stock in trade


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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Which one do you think put more stock in his advice?

The Obama admin at large was generally contemptuous of the military, particularly the one who was micromanaging it- Susan Rice. Ignoring general officers was her stock in trade.

Good. Civilian rule should dictate that generals are bombarded with oversight and scrutiny.

Military leaders are to listen to their civilian bosses, not the other way around. They only exist to serve the People.

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Postby 93henfan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:55 pm

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CID1990 wrote:The Obama admin at large was generally contemptuous of the military, particularly the one who was micromanaging it- Susan Rice. Ignoring general officers was her stock in trade.

Good. Civilian rule should dictate that generals are bombarded with oversight and scrutiny.

Military leaders are to listen to their civilian bosses, not the other way around. They only exist to serve the People.


That worked well in Vietnam.
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93henfan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Good. Civilian rule should dictate that generals are bombarded with oversight and scrutiny.

Military leaders are to listen to their civilian bosses, not the other way around. They only exist to serve the People.


That worked well in Vietnam.

The Pres that got us into it was former military. As was the leader which got us into the equally pointless "War on Terror."

Eisenhower is about the only modern-ish President which served that understood the military's place.


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