Were we just letting them die before Obamacare?93henfan wrote:So just let 'em die?AZGrizFan wrote:
It's not harsh. The government has no business in the healthcare industry. Period. End of story.
Funny, but before Obamacare they didn't seem to be dying by the busload, did they?
I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.AZGrizFan wrote:Were we just letting them die before Obamacare?93henfan wrote:
So just let 'em die?
If you truly believe the only solution is government provided/sponsored healthcare, you should just shuck that "conservative" label you've pinned on yourself now and save yourself the trouble later, JSO...
This person deserves free cancer treatment. Along with free shelter, food, cell phone, internet access, water and sewer service, vehicle, car insurance, cocaine, and Super Bowl tickets.93henfan wrote:I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.AZGrizFan wrote:
Were we just letting them die before Obamacare?
If you truly believe the only solution is government provided/sponsored healthcare, you should just shuck that "conservative" label you've pinned on yourself now and save yourself the trouble later, JSO...
Your position is to refuse them service since it's not an emergency?
Just trying to find out where you stand.
Let 'em die? Tell 'em to try GoFundMe?
That's helpful. Thanks for another non-answer.CAA Flagship wrote:This person deserves free cancer treatment. Along with free shelter, food, cell phone, internet access, water and sewer service, vehicle, car insurance, cocaine, and Super Bowl tickets.93henfan wrote:
I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.
Your position is to refuse them service since it's not an emergency?
Just trying to find out where you stand.
Let 'em die? Tell 'em to try GoFundMe?
I see you believe in rainbows and unicorns..kalm wrote:How about "Do you support Medicare for all if it means cutting healthcare spending per person in half while having the same outcomes but people won't go bankrupt over medical bills and wait times will be mitigated by the fact that the private sector will still be in charge of providing care."?BDKJMU wrote:
The recent Kaiser poll has it at 56%
“...The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent..::
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program....”
https://apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 6#p1227974
Its all how you ask the question. If you polled:
“Do you support 100% government takeover of healthcare even if it meant higher taxes, longer wait times, and health care rationing” support would probably fall into the teens..
There is no easy answer 93. It would be great if we could provide free healthcare for everyone, but is that realistic? You asked about a penniless person and cancer obviously to make a point, but what about a person who earns so little as to not be able to afford health insurance and a non-life threatening issue?93henfan wrote:I'm left to conclude that the Republican position is "let 'em die!"
Jesus...what a drama queen. A lot of those require the states to convene and get it done.BDKJMU wrote:I see you basically copied and pasted one of your posts from 2016 saying Trump has no chance, lol.JohnStOnge wrote:
I am coming to believe that it's almost not going to matter who they have running because Trump is such an atrocity. See the shutdown thread where a Public Policy Polling poll has respondents favoring every Democrat they ask about, including Schumer and Peloisi, over Trump in a hypothetical 2020 Presidential election matchup. I think the country may very well be in "Anybody but Trump" mode right now.
Speaking of the Indians they favored Harris over Trump by 48% to 41% and favored Warren over Trump by 48% to 42%.
Yes, I know it's about the Electoral College. But Trump is not a strong candidate. Just about anybody the Democrats nominate will have a reasonable chance to beat him. And if they nominate a reasonably strong candidate he is toast.
Sure the donks would win if they came out with a moderate platform. But you’re forgetting that the donks are going to go full retard trying to out left one another to win the nomination:
-Anti capitalism, pro socialism, pro globalism.
-Doubling income taxes.
-Increasing every tax/fee the fed govt levies.
-Single payer medicare for all.
-“Free” pre school for all.
-4 years “free” college tuition for all.
-Massive carbon taxes.
-Eliminating fossil fuels.
-Eliminating ICE.
-Mass amnesty for 11-20 million illegals.
-Open borders.
-$15 hour federal minimum wage (including for teens working their 1st low/no skill job & living at home with mommy & daddy).
-Massive increase in the welfare state.
-Guaranteed income.
-Repealing the 2nd Amendment.
-Implementing so called “assault weapons” ban.
-National gun registration database.
-Federally taxing ammo.
-Getting soft on crime.
-Eliminating the death penalty.
-Abortion on demand.
-Eliminating the Electoral College.
-Attacking/demonizing straight white males.
-Incessant Trump bashing.
-Impeaching Trump.
-2020 version of “Deplorables”.
And whatever other nutty lefty ideas I left off. And that platform likely won’t win a general election vs Trump.
I'm not about to be painted into a corner.93henfan wrote:I realize it's not an easy answer.
So let 'em die?
1. More seats in medical schools, more residencies and teaching hospitals and more doctors.93henfan wrote:I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.AZGrizFan wrote:
Were we just letting them die before Obamacare?
If you truly believe the only solution is government provided/sponsored healthcare, you should just shuck that "conservative" label you've pinned on yourself now and save yourself the trouble later, JSO...
Your position is to refuse them service since it's not an emergency?
Just trying to find out where you stand.
Let 'em die? Tell 'em to try GoFundMe?
Among the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality in the first world.AZGrizFan wrote:It's not harsh. The government has no business in the healthcare industry. Period. End of story.93henfan wrote:
Wow, that's harsh. No right to health care for the destitute? Just let 'em die.
I think we should be better than that.
Funny, but before Obamacare they didn't seem to be dying by the busload, did they?
Sounds like more government to make all that happen.Pwns wrote:1. More seats in medical schools, more residencies and teaching hospitals and more doctors.93henfan wrote:
I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.
Your position is to refuse them service since it's not an emergency?
Just trying to find out where you stand.
Let 'em die? Tell 'em to try GoFundMe?
2. Stop letting the Martin Shkrelis buy up exclusive rights to produce and charge whatever they want for things like HIV drugs, anti-venoms, anti-parasitic drugs. Make generics easier to get.
3. More transparency and oversight of pricing.
With what is spent on medicaid every year there's no reason it can't cover a decent standard of care so long as we get ridiculous prices under control.
Maybe if we cut back on the decades of continuous war....? Hate to sound all parochial and shit, just trying to think outside the box...89Hen wrote:There is no easy answer 93. It would be great if we could provide free healthcare for everyone, but is that realistic? You asked about a penniless person and cancer obviously to make a point, but what about a person who earns so little as to not be able to afford health insurance and a non-life threatening issue?93henfan wrote:I'm left to conclude that the Republican position is "let 'em die!"
89Jr was just in for an MRI on his shoulder. If we didn't have insurance, the cost of the MRI was something like $3500. Because we have insurance, the provider only got paid something closer to $500 by the insurance company. There are many, many people who could not afford the MRI. Should you just live in pain? Should you have any and all procedures taken care of? I know folks who use up every minute of sick leave they have and self-diagnose and are on 4-5 prescription drugs for questionable illnesses that a doctor agrees could be. The sheer amount of people who would abuse the system render it almost unattainable.
Nonsense. The free market cures all ills.93henfan wrote:Sounds like more government to make all that happen.Pwns wrote:
1. More seats in medical schools, more residencies and teaching hospitals and more doctors.
2. Stop letting the Martin Shkrelis buy up exclusive rights to produce and charge whatever they want for things like HIV drugs, anti-venoms, anti-parasitic drugs. Make generics easier to get.
3. More transparency and oversight of pricing.
With what is spent on medicaid every year there's no reason it can't cover a decent standard of care so long as we get ridiculous prices under control.
Again, WHAT WERE WE DOING BEFORE OBAMACARE??93henfan wrote:I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.AZGrizFan wrote:
Were we just letting them die before Obamacare?
If you truly believe the only solution is government provided/sponsored healthcare, you should just shuck that "conservative" label you've pinned on yourself now and save yourself the trouble later, JSO...
Your position is to refuse them service since it's not an emergency?
Just trying to find out where you stand.
Let 'em die? Tell 'em to try GoFundMe?
Ding Ding Ding....houndawg wrote:Maybe if we cut back on the decades of continuous war....? Hate to sound all parochial and shit, just trying to think outside the box...89Hen wrote: There is no easy answer 93. It would be great if we could provide free healthcare for everyone, but is that realistic? You asked about a penniless person and cancer obviously to make a point, but what about a person who earns so little as to not be able to afford health insurance and a non-life threatening issue?
89Jr was just in for an MRI on his shoulder. If we didn't have insurance, the cost of the MRI was something like $3500. Because we have insurance, the provider only got paid something closer to $500 by the insurance company. There are many, many people who could not afford the MRI. Should you just live in pain? Should you have any and all procedures taken care of? I know folks who use up every minute of sick leave they have and self-diagnose and are on 4-5 prescription drugs for questionable illnesses that a doctor agrees could be. The sheer amount of people who would abuse the system render it almost unattainable.
How many other first world countries have millions of unhealthy illegals and their unhealthy children in tow streaming over their borders?houndawg wrote:Among the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality in the first world.AZGrizFan wrote:
It's not harsh. The government has no business in the healthcare industry. Period. End of story.
Funny, but before Obamacare they didn't seem to be dying by the busload, did they?
You show me ONE government run/funded/involved operation that has REDUCED cost to the end user...just one....and I'll believe you.kalm wrote:How about "Do you support Medicare for all if it means cutting healthcare spending per person in half while having the same outcomes but people won't go bankrupt over medical bills and wait times will be mitigated by the fact that the private sector will still be in charge of providing care."?BDKJMU wrote:
The recent Kaiser poll has it at 56%
“...The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent..::
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program....”
https://apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 6#p1227974
Its all how you ask the question. If you polled:
“Do you support 100% government takeover of healthcare even if it meant higher taxes, longer wait times, and health care rationing” support would probably fall into the teens..
I guess I'm not going to get an answer to my question, so I assume you'd just let destitute sick people die.AZGrizFan wrote:Again, WHAT WERE WE DOING BEFORE OBAMACARE??93henfan wrote:
I'm just asking you what you'd do about a penniless person who, say for example, gets treatable cancer.
Your position is to refuse them service since it's not an emergency?
Just trying to find out where you stand.
Let 'em die? Tell 'em to try GoFundMe?
-Nothing drama queen about it . The donk wish list includes or will include all/almost all of the above.Ibanez wrote:Jesus...what a drama queen. A lot of those require the states to convene and get it done.BDKJMU wrote: I see you basically copied and pasted one of your posts from 2016 saying Trump has no chance, lol.
Sure the donks would win if they came out with a moderate platform. But you’re forgetting that the donks are going to go full retard trying to out left one another to win the nomination:
-Anti capitalism, pro socialism, pro globalism.
-Doubling income taxes.
-Increasing every tax/fee the fed govt levies.
-Single payer medicare for all.
-“Free” pre school for all.
-4 years “free” college tuition for all.
-Massive carbon taxes.
-Eliminating fossil fuels.
-Eliminating ICE.
-Mass amnesty for 11-20 million illegals.
-Open borders.
-$15 hour federal minimum wage (including for teens working their 1st low/no skill job & living at home with mommy & daddy).
-Massive increase in the welfare state.
-Guaranteed income.
-Repealing the 2nd Amendment.
-Implementing so called “assault weapons” ban.
-National gun registration database.
-Federally taxing ammo.
-Getting soft on crime.
-Eliminating the death penalty.
-Abortion on demand.
-Eliminating the Electoral College.
-Attacking/demonizing straight white males.
-Incessant Trump bashing.
-Impeaching Trump.
-2020 version of “Deplorables”.
And whatever other nutty lefty ideas I left off. And that platform likely won’t win a general election vs Trump.
And are you serious about the Trump bashing? This from a guy and a party that still bashes Obama and his wife?
Heck, they’ve already started seeing who can out leftist each other.You dont think getting rid of how we do elections, as laid out in the constitution, wouldn't require the states?BDKJMU wrote:-Nothing drama queen about it . The donk wish list includes or will include all/almost all of the above.Ibanez wrote: Jesus...what a drama queen. A lot of those require the states to convene and get it done.[/b]
And are you serious about the Trump bashing? This from a guy and a party that still bashes Obama and his wife?
-The only one that totally would require the states would be eliminating 2A (but it is certainly on their unwritten wish list).
-Don’t know if could do any by exec fiat. Some they could do with the POTUS & both Houses. Some would require a Senate supermajority. Some would require different SCOTUS makeup. I was more talking their wish list..
Yes I am serious about the Trump bashing. Most of the donk party and their allies in the MSM are borderline deranged with their full tilt TDS. You don’t see that?
You don’t think the donks are going veer WAY left during their primary?
Yeah that one too. Again though, its a chunk of the leftist wish list.Ibanez wrote:You dont think getting rid of how we do elections, as laid out in the constitution, wouldn't require the states?BDKJMU wrote: -Nothing drama queen about it . The donk wish list includes or will include all/almost all of the above.
-The only one that totally would require the states would be eliminating 2A (but it is certainly on their unwritten wish list).
-Don’t know if could do any by exec fiat. Some they could do with the POTUS & both Houses. Some would require a Senate supermajority. Some would require different SCOTUS makeup. I was more talking their wish list..
Yes I am serious about the Trump bashing. Most of the donk party and their allies in the MSM are borderline deranged with their full tilt TDS. You don’t see that?
You don’t think the donks are going veer WAY left during their primary?
The GOP essentially wants a Christian SHaria Law.
The Trump bashing is ridiculous and only enables the GOP message of fake news, alt fakes, blah blah blah. But let's not pretend that conservative media doesn't do the same exact thing.
