Report: Flacco traded to the Donkeys

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Report: Broncos trade for quarterback Joe Flacco


According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Denver Broncos have agreed in principle to trade for Baltimore Ravens quarterback, Joe Flacco.


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Breaking: Baltimore has agreement in principle to trade former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco to the Broncos, league sources told ESPN.

Trade cannot be processed until new NFL league year begins Wednesday, March 13. Teams prohibited from commenting on deal or terms surrounding it.

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[93henfan]

Sounds like a good trade. Ravens eat $16M. Broncos get a QB upgrade. Flacco probably has a few decent years left. Maybe the Broncos will get him some actual receivers to throw to. Last time he had that, he was winning a Super Bowl.

[Gil Dobie]

Where does Foles get traded to?

[93henfan]

Where does Foles get traded to?

I'm guessing Miami or Jax. We'll see. With a franchise tender, the Eagles will have the ability to ensure he doesn't go to the Redskins or Giants.

[GannonFan]

Sounds like a good trade. Ravens eat $16M. Broncos get a QB upgrade. Flacco probably has a few decent years left. Maybe the Broncos will get him some actual receivers to throw to. Last time he had that, he was winning a Super Bowl.

Do they have any WR's right now? Almost looks like Baltimore West right now - decent D, and now a decent QB but without any weapons.

[Grizalltheway]

And the Delaware excuse train keeps rolling. $120 million.

[93henfan]

And the Delaware excuse train keeps rolling. $120 million.

Excuse for what? A Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy?

[Grizalltheway]

And the Delaware excuse train keeps rolling. $120 million.

Excuse for what? A Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy?

A worthy successor to Trent Dilfer, for sure.

[GannonFan]

Excuse for what? A Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy?

A worthy successor to Trent Dilfer, for sure.

Yeah, sure, almost the same. I don't recall any snippets like this when Dilfer QB'd the Ravens...

In a 34–31 win over the favored San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl XLVII, played on February 3, 2013, Flacco completed 22 of 33 passes for 287 yards and another three touchdowns, tying him for first place on the list of most consecutive playoff games with at least three touchdown passes (3 games). With a record fourth playoff game with a 100+ passer rating in a single postseason,[4] Flacco was named the game's Most Valuable Player.[52] For winning the award, he was given a then-brand-new red Chevrolet Corvette.

Flacco finished the postseason having completed 73-of-126 (57.9 percent) passes for 1,140 yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, tying Montana and Kurt Warner for the most touchdowns in a single postseason[67] and additionally tying Montana for the most touchdowns without an interception in a single postseason.[68] Flacco's 117.2 passer rating tied him for third place all-time with Steve Young in a Super Bowl-winning postseason.[68]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco

Why does the article keep bringing up Montana, Warner, and Young, and seemingly never mentions Dilfer.

[Grizalltheway]

A worthy successor to Trent Dilfer, for sure.

Yeah, sure, almost the same. I don't recall any snippets like this when Dilfer QB'd the Ravens...

In a 34–31 win over the favored San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl XLVII, played on February 3, 2013, Flacco completed 22 of 33 passes for 287 yards and another three touchdowns, tying him for first place on the list of most consecutive playoff games with at least three touchdown passes (3 games). With a record fourth playoff game with a 100+ passer rating in a single postseason,[4] Flacco was named the game's Most Valuable Player.[52] For winning the award, he was given a then-brand-new red Chevrolet Corvette.

Flacco finished the postseason having completed 73-of-126 (57.9 percent) passes for 1,140 yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, tying Montana and Kurt Warner for the most touchdowns in a single postseason[67] and additionally tying Montana for the most touchdowns without an interception in a single postseason.[68] Flacco's 117.2 passer rating tied him for third place all-time with Steve Young in a Super Bowl-winning postseason.[68]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco

Why does the article keep bringing up Montana, Warner, and Young, and seemingly never mentions Dilfer.

Yep, he's a slightly above average QB who played out of his mind for one postseason, leveraged it into a big payday, and proceeded to...be slightly above average.

[GannonFan]

Yeah, sure, almost the same. I don't recall any snippets like this when Dilfer QB'd the Ravens...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco

Why does the article keep bringing up Montana, Warner, and Young, and seemingly never mentions Dilfer.

Yep, he's a slightly above average QB who played out of his mind for one postseason, leveraged it into a big payday, and proceeded to...be slightly above average.

So not like Dilfer at all then. Got it, thanks!

[Grizalltheway]

Yep, he's a slightly above average QB who played out of his mind for one postseason, leveraged it into a big payday, and proceeded to...be slightly above average.

So not like Dilfer at all then. Got it, thanks!

BTW, ESPN graded that trade as a D+ for the Broncos. One more for the road!

[SuperHornet]

Where does Foles get traded to?

I'm not sure a trade is in the offing. Per SB Nation (and other sources), the Eagles exercised their option on Pastor Nick, but he bought them out. It looks like he's a free agent now. SBN tabs Jax, Miami, and Washington as likely landing spots, but Miami has cap issues, and I can't see him going within the division. Jacksonville would reunite him with a prior coach, but they're having issues, too. I'm not sure where he goes. I COULD see him sticking around in Philly with a new (probably upgraded) contract, but he would likely make it very clear that he would HAVE to be the acknowledged starter, given recent Philly QB history. I don't know anyone else with both the cap space to sign him AND a decent team situation for him to land in....

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/8/1 ... ding-spots

[Chizzang]

Yeah, sure, almost the same. I don't recall any snippets like this when Dilfer QB'd the Ravens...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco

Why does the article keep bringing up Montana, Warner, and Young, and seemingly never mentions Dilfer.

Yep, he's a slightly above average QB who played out of his mind for one postseason, leveraged it into a big payday, and proceeded to...be slightly above average.

Watching GannonFan sincerely debate with all his heart
A) that Flacco is actually really good (5 years of statistics to the contrary)
B) and Brady is average and just lucky

continues to prove that he is blindly devoted to one outcome
regardless of all external information




When Lamar Jackson supplants you...
and goes 6-1 with the exact same roster and Lamar Jackson is not very good
If the Ravens had an NFL caliber QB they'd have likely gone 12-4

[93henfan]

Yep, he's a slightly above average QB who played out of his mind for one postseason, leveraged it into a big payday, and proceeded to...be slightly above average.

Watching GannonFan sincerely debate with all his heart
A) that Flacco is actually really good (5 years of statistics to the contrary)
B) and Brady is average and just lucky

continues to prove that he is blindly devoted to one outcome
regardless of all external information




When Lamar Jackson supplants you...
and goes 6-1 with the exact same roster and Lamar Jackson is not very good
If the Ravens had an NFL caliber QB they'd have likely gone 12-4

Baltimore's problem is that they've never adequately addressed their WR and TE situations over the years. The one year they did field a serviceable receiving corps under Flacco, he had an epic playoff run and brought them the Lombardi Trophy and bagged the MVP as well.

Ravens in 2018: John Brown (715 yds) was top WR, Nick Boyle (213 yds) was top TE, Gus Edwards (718 rushing) top RB
Ravens in 2012: Boldin (921) and Smith (855) at WR and Pitta (669) at TE and Rice (1,143 rushing) at RB

Lamar Jackson was obviously more valuable in 2018 than Flacco, because there was nobody to throw to, the OL sucked, and Lamar has 21 year old quick twitch thighs to make something out of nothing. He's the next Cam Newton.

Here was the QB passing comparison this year:
Flacco 232/379 (61.2%) for 2,465 yds, 12 TD, 6 INT, 9 starts
Jackson 99/170 (58.2%) for 1,201 yds, 6 TD, 3 INT, 7 starts

So, Flacco was the better passer and Jackson was obviously the better runner, which is exactly what Baltimore needs until they can fix their offense. When you're not a playoff team, you may as well go with the 21 year old first round pick than the 32 year old first round pick, and let the little spring chicken run for his life.

Get back to me when Jackson goes 12-4 like you said he should next year. I'm patient. I'll await that crow-eating session, if it really happens. Or even when he wins a Super Bowl or the MVP.

[Chizzang]

Watching GannonFan sincerely debate with all his heart
A) that Flacco is actually really good (5 years of statistics to the contrary)
B) and Brady is average and just lucky

continues to prove that he is blindly devoted to one outcome
regardless of all external information




When Lamar Jackson supplants you...
and goes 6-1 with the exact same roster and Lamar Jackson is not very good
If the Ravens had an NFL caliber QB they'd have likely gone 12-4

Baltimore's problem is that they've never adequately addressed their WR and TE situations over the years. The one year they did field a serviceable receiving corps under Flacco, he had an epic playoff run and brought them the Lombardi Trophy and bagged the MVP as well.

Ravens in 2018: John Brown (715 yds) was top WR, Nick Boyle (213 yds) was top TE, Gus Edwards (718 rushing) top RB
Ravens in 2012: Boldin (921) and Smith (855) at WR and Pitta (669) at TE and Rice (1,143 rushing) at RB

Lamar Jackson was obviously more valuable in 2018 than Flacco, because there was nobody to throw to, the OL sucked, and Lamar has 21 year old quick twitch thighs to make something out of nothing. He's the next Cam Newton.

Here was the QB passing comparison this year:
Flacco 232/379 (61.2%) for 2,465 yds, 12 TD, 6 INT, 9 starts
Jackson 99/170 (58.2%) for 1,201 yds, 6 TD, 3 INT, 7 starts

So, Flacco was the better passer and Jackson was obviously the better runner, which is exactly what Baltimore needs until they can fix their offense. When you're not a playoff team, you may as well go with the 21 year old first round pick than the 32 year old first round pick, and let the little spring chicken run for his life.

Get back to me when Jackson goes 12-4 like you said he should next year. I'm patient. I'll await that crow-eating session, if it really happens. Or even when he wins a Super Bowl or the MVP.

I didn't say "Jackson" should or would go 12-4
I said if the Ravens had an NFL caliber quarterback "They" would go 12-4

The roster issues you're convincing yourself are real are not exactly strong arguments
John Brown was open about 70% of the time he wasn't blocking for a run

Willie Snead John Brown and Michael Crabtree are an above average line-up
considering they had an A+ running game

All the Ravens needed was an actual quarterback
they just didn't have one on the roster
they were fine everywhere else
and down right excellent on D

[93henfan]

Man, I'm not sure which year you were watching.

[Grizalltheway]

You and ganny are fanboys, and that's fine. We all want to see players who went to our schools do well in the big leagues. But you can't argue, with a straight face anyway, that the rest of his time in Bmore did not go as they had hoped when they gave him that payday. And you can't blame it all in the team around him.

[93henfan]

You and ganny are fanboys, and that's fine. We all want to see players who went to our schools do well in the big leagues. But you can't argue, with a straight face anyway, that the rest of his time in Bmore did not go as they had hoped when they gave him that payday. And you can't blame it all in the team around him.

Flacco isn't a Hall of Famer, that's for sure, but he's done as well as a QB could do on a team that has not focused any real effort on its offense, except for about a three year period from 2010-2012, and they went to the divisional round, AFCCG, and Super Bowl (winning it) in those three years. The rest of the time, they've had pedestrian receivers, a banned girlfriend-batterer at RB, and a left (sometimes right) tackle that made a nice movie but couldn't block you. Baltimore has always had a Buddy Ryan philosophy of starting with the defense and letting the offense fend for itself. Nothing fanboy about it. Flacco got old and had a catastrophic knee injury, a severe back injury, and a smattering of concussions in the meantime. He's still 10-5 in the playoffs, and has the most road playoff victories of any QB in NFL history, including beating Brady and Belichick twice in Foxboro in the playoffs, and the distinction of beating both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in a single season's playoffs. The first season he didn't make the playoffs (2013), he still threw for over 3,900 yards. He's been a very good, not great QB in total. I don't believe I've ever claimed differently.

Guy does have a pretty sweet cannon for an arm though:

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[Chizzang]

You and ganny are fanboys, and that's fine. We all want to see players who went to our schools do well in the big leagues. But you can't argue, with a straight face anyway, that the rest of his time in Bmore did not go as they had hoped when they gave him that payday. And you can't blame it all in the team around him.

Flacco isn't a Hall of Famer, that's for sure, but he's done as well as a QB could do on a team that has not focused any real effort on its offense, except for about a three year period from 2010-2012, and they went to the divisional round, AFCCG, and Super Bowl (winning it) in those three years. The rest of the time, they've had pedestrian receivers, a banned girlfriend-batterer at RB, and a left (sometimes right) tackle that made a nice movie but couldn't block you. Baltimore has always had a Buddy Ryan philosophy of starting with the defense and letting the offense fend for itself. Nothing fanboy about it. Flacco got old and had a catastrophic knee injury, a severe back injury, and a smattering of concussions in the meantime. He's still 10-5 in the playoffs, and has the most road playoff victories of any QB in NFL history, including beating Brady and Belichick twice in Foxboro in the playoffs, and the distinction of beating both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in a single season's playoffs. The first season he didn't make the playoffs (2013), he still threw for over 3,900 yards. He's been a very good, not great QB in total. I don't believe I've ever claimed differently.

That is ^ a whole bunch of JSO style gibberish right there...



Thank you

Bottom line:
Joe Flacco is statistically pedestrian
-doesn't do anything to win ball games late
-can throw any pass in the book yet has trouble completing consecutive passes
-is lauded for his long ball yet statistically that cannot be supported (it's just hyperbole)
-and just got beat out of a job by a kid who is actually pretty terrible but finds a way to win

had Baltimore not signed Flacco to that disaster of a contract they would have moved on long ago
Joe won the lottery and punched his ticket and gets to play out his final years in Denver
never to be seen again... (other than standing on the sidelines after season one)

[93henfan]

Flacco isn't a Hall of Famer, that's for sure, but he's done as well as a QB could do on a team that has not focused any real effort on its offense, except for about a three year period from 2010-2012, and they went to the divisional round, AFCCG, and Super Bowl (winning it) in those three years. The rest of the time, they've had pedestrian receivers, a banned girlfriend-batterer at RB, and a left (sometimes right) tackle that made a nice movie but couldn't block you. Baltimore has always had a Buddy Ryan philosophy of starting with the defense and letting the offense fend for itself. Nothing fanboy about it. Flacco got old and had a catastrophic knee injury, a severe back injury, and a smattering of concussions in the meantime. He's still 10-5 in the playoffs, and has the most road playoff victories of any QB in NFL history, including beating Brady and Belichick twice in Foxboro in the playoffs, and the distinction of beating both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in a single season's playoffs. The first season he didn't make the playoffs (2013), he still threw for over 3,900 yards. He's been a very good, not great QB in total. I don't believe I've ever claimed differently.

That is ^ a whole bunch of JSO style gibberish right there...



Thank you

Bottom line:
Joe Flacco is statistically pedestrian
-doesn't do anything to win ball games late
-can throw any pass in the book yet has trouble completing consecutive passes
-is lauded for his long ball yet statistically that cannot be supported (it's just hyperbole)
-and just got beat out of a job by a kid who is actually pretty terrible but finds a way to win

had Baltimore not signed Flacco to that disaster of a contract they would have moved on long ago
Joe won the lottery and punched his ticket and gets to play out his final years in Denver
never to be seen again... (other than standing on the sidelines after season one)

No gibberish, just facts, as always.

Let me know when Lamar Jackson goes 12-4.

Better yet, if he wins a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP like Flacco, I will send you $1000. (i.e. never happening)

[Chizzang]

That is ^ a whole bunch of JSO style gibberish right there...



Thank you

Bottom line:
Joe Flacco is statistically pedestrian
-doesn't do anything to win ball games late
-can throw any pass in the book yet has trouble completing consecutive passes
-is lauded for his long ball yet statistically that cannot be supported (it's just hyperbole)
-and just got beat out of a job by a kid who is actually pretty terrible but finds a way to win

had Baltimore not signed Flacco to that disaster of a contract they would have moved on long ago
Joe won the lottery and punched his ticket and gets to play out his final years in Denver
never to be seen again... (other than standing on the sidelines after season one)

No gibberish, just facts, as always.

Let me know when Lamar Jackson goes 12-4.

Better yet, if he wins a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP like Flacco, I will send you $1000. (i.e. never happening)

Clearly you have low reading comprehension...
And there isn't much in the way of facts in your Ravens analysis
as I stated - if the Ravens had an NFL caliber QB on their roster they would go 12-4

Presently they do not... as I noted more than once
Never did a say anything about Lamar Jackson other than he wasn't very good



Where you get this sh!t I will never know
but it shows a large bias for a predetermined outcome on your part

[93henfan]

Man, Chizzang is breathing heavy on this one. Awesome!

12-4, baby! Go Lamar.

[Chizzang]

Man, Chizzang is breathing heavy on this one. Awesome!

12-4, baby! Go Lamar.

Look at me go... all crazy

[UNI88]

Flacco Deal Makes John Elway Mayor of Crazy Town, Apparently

This is not a defense of Elway or Flacco, both of whom have been objectively bad at their jobs the past three years.
...
He is on a one-year, $18.5 million deal with two team-option years after that.
...
Anyway, when it’s all said and done, Flacco’s “crippling” one-year deal will pay him more than one (Andy Dalton, $16.2 million), perhaps two (Bridgewater pending) starting QBs who are no longer on their rookie deals.