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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:19 pm

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That vote means literally nothing, and if you knew anything about Texas politics you’d know that. There were literally hundreds of thousands of votes cast AGAINST Boobs rather than for O’Rourke.


Ok then we can go with what happened nationally in the House generic ballot in 2018. The 18 through 24 year old age group voted more strongly for Democrats than any other age group. 68% to 31%. You're kidding yourself if you think this "Generation Z" is leaning Republican or Conservative.


It’s not me saying that. But again, I get it that it’s not a poll that fits your narrative.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby mainejeff » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:08 am

We've got to get through one more Baby Boomer dominated election in 2020 then I think it starts turning the other way in 2024.......finally! :roll:

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby css75 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:50 am

mainejeff wrote:We've got to get through one more Baby Boomer dominated election in 2020 then I think it starts turning the other way in 2024.......finally! :roll:

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And what way is that? Just what would be your ideal set of policies?


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Pwns » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:06 pm

Beto's first crime as a white male candidate: His wife says nothing in his ad. :roll:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/us/p ... e-amy.html
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Grizalltheway » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:12 pm

Pwns wrote:Beto's first crime as a white male candidate: His wife says nothing in his ad. :roll:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/us/p ... e-amy.html

He's toast anyway.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-o ... oup-report

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:32 pm

Biden/Harris. Book it.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:38 pm

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Ok then we can go with what happened nationally in the House generic ballot in 2018. The 18 through 24 year old age group voted more strongly for Democrats than any other age group. 68% to 31%. You're kidding yourself if you think this "Generation Z" is leaning Republican or Conservative.


It’s not me saying that. But again, I get it that it’s not a poll that fits your narrative.


AGF, the bottom line is that the stuff you cited said that polls showed Generation Z voted differently. That's not what the polls showed. That's the point.

It's not that the polls showed something that don't fit my "narrative." It's that the polls have not shown that this "Generation Z" has voted anything other than overwhelmingly Democrat.

If I looked at the exit polling data and they showed that there was some sign of people born from the mid 1990s through the mid 2000s voting anything other than overwhelmingly Democrat I would be fine with saying so. But they don't show that. They don't even remotely suggest it.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:32 am

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Ok then we can go with what happened nationally in the House generic ballot in 2018. The 18 through 24 year old age group voted more strongly for Democrats than any other age group. 68% to 31%. You're kidding yourself if you think this "Generation Z" is leaning Republican or Conservative.


It’s not me saying that. But again, I get it that it’s not a poll that fits your narrative.


Ok AZG I made an honest effort to see what I can see in polling data about this Generation Z. Maybe I could be more respectful in the way I say things. Like maybe I could avoid saying things like "you're kidding yourself." But everything I'm seeing suggests that they are a plus for the Democrats.

The first thing I'll reference is the story at https://theconversation.com/generation- ... ons-104735 just because it opens with this statement:

Unlike the much-studied millennials, we don’t know much about Generation Z, who now make up most of the 18- to 24-year-old voting bloc.


That brings us back to what exit polling estimates for how the 18 through 24 year old age group voted during the 2018 House elections. The linked article was written shortly before the 2018 elections. You can see an estimate of how the 18 through 24 group voted at https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit- ... al-results. The estimate is that 18 through 24 year olds voted for Democrats by 68% to 31%.

The other thing is the article on Pew Research polling at http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/01/ ... al-issues/.

There are a lot of interesting things in it, but I think the bottom line is reflected by the headline. That headline is:

Generation Z Looks a Lot Like Millennials on Key Social and Political Issues


As far as individual results go: That poll has 30% of Generation Z people and 29% of Millennials, for example, approving of Trump's job. Very similar.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Pwns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:16 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhyioTtMnM

Bill Maher nails the Democrats for not holding a debate on Fox News.
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Postby BDKJMU » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:32 pm

Crazy Uncle Joe lets slip he running...
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:48 pm

Bernie Sanders
On oil companies:
"I would also urge you to give serious thought about the eventual nationalization of these gigantic companies”..

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit.”..

“In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.”..

“I believe that, in the long run, major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves."..

"I believe in socialized medicine, public ownership of the drug companies and placing doctors on salaries.”..

“Nobody should earn more than a million dollars” calling for a 100% tax on incomes above 100k.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politi ... 6PC%3DAPPL

Holy Comrade. :shock:
Nationalizing large swaths of the economy. Yeah, thats the ticket. Just go ask Venezuela. :rofl:

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:45 am

Pwns wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhyioTtMnM

Bill Maher nails the Democrats for not holding a debate on Fox News.


Yeah I don't think they should've done that; especially because the moderator almost certainly would've been either Chris Wallace and Brett Baier and those two are legitimate. They would be fair.

I don't know how much it'll actually hurt them though. I don't think the key is trying to get through to Trump zombies. They are a lost cause. Not rational. Like people in a cult. The key to me is to get that majority of the People who don't like Trump or the job he's doing to turn out. And I don't know if going on Fox News for a debate or not going is going to be a factor impacting that.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:18 am

Pwns wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhyioTtMnM

Bill Maher nails the Democrats for not holding a debate on Fox News.


On that graph he showed showing Fox News as having the highest single percentage of persons citing it as a news source: The "on the other hand" is that Fox News is the only right-leaning source on the list. You could just eyeball it and come up with the same conclusions you'd get by searching for those news entities at mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/. At that site CNN and MSNBC are "Left" bias sources while NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, and the New York Times are "Left-Center" bias sources. If you add up the percentages saying they use some source that leans left to some extent it's 39%.

What's really scary is that 8% of respondents cited Facebook as their news source. That's a lot of people. Pretty bad.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:53 am

BDKJMU wrote:Bernie Sanders
On oil companies:
"I would also urge you to give serious thought about the eventual nationalization of these gigantic companies”..

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit.”..

“In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.”..

“I believe that, in the long run, major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves."..

"I believe in socialized medicine, public ownership of the drug companies and placing doctors on salaries.”..

“Nobody should earn more than a million dollars” calling for a 100% tax on incomes above 100k.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politi ... 6PC%3DAPPL

Holy Comrade. :shock:
Nationalizing large swaths of the economy. Yeah, thats the ticket. Just go ask Venezuela. :rofl:


Way to not include the fact that ALL of these were quotes from 50 years ago, BDK. :roll:

That's not say he still doesn't embrace some of the remedies today that he did back then but it's also surprising that the causes haven't really changed all that much for the better.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:57 am

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Bernie Sanders
On oil companies:
"I would also urge you to give serious thought about the eventual nationalization of these gigantic companies”..

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit.”..

“In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.”..

“I believe that, in the long run, major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves."..

"I believe in socialized medicine, public ownership of the drug companies and placing doctors on salaries.”..

“Nobody should earn more than a million dollars” calling for a 100% tax on incomes above 100k.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politi ... 6PC%3DAPPL

Holy Comrade. :shock:
Nationalizing large swaths of the economy. Yeah, thats the ticket. Just go ask Venezuela. :rofl:


Way to not include the fact that ALL of these were quotes from 50 years ago, BDK. :roll:

That's not say he still doesn't embrace some of the remedies today that he did back then but it's also surprising that the causes haven't really changed all that much for the better.


What do you think the freshman cabal in Congress thinks about this?

Crazy Auntie Whatshername floated it in committee just a few years ago -

Obfuscate all you want - but we have full fledged capital C Communists being elected to national office

That doesn’t bother me too much because they are all as stupid as a bag of hammers.... its the electorate that worries me. One day they might get lucky and elect a smart one

JSO - please dont reply to this with another screed on changing demographics. We have read your other 50


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:05 am

CID1990 wrote:
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Way to not include the fact that ALL of these were quotes from 50 years ago, BDK. :roll:

That's not say he still doesn't embrace some of the remedies today that he did back then but it's also surprising that the causes haven't really changed all that much for the better.


What do you think the freshman cabal in Congress thinks about this?

Crazy Auntie Whatshername floated it in committee just a few years ago -

Obfuscate all you want - but we have full fledged capital C Communists being elected to national office

That doesn’t bother me too much because they are all as stupid as a bag of hammers.... its the electorate that worries me. One day they might get lucky and elect a smart one

JSO - please dont reply to this with another screed on changing demographics. We have read your other 50


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Capital C Communists, Democratic Socialsist, Social Democrats, Socialists, or Marxists? :lol:

Regardless, BDK was disingenuous with that post. There are several articles of the same ilk including this one from Matt Welch at Reason http://time.com/4121126/bernie-sanders- ... socialism/ which are kind enough to admit in the headline that the quotes are from decades ago rather than BDK's boogeyman tactics.

Has Bernie softened his views on economics or is he lying to get votes and if elected will push us off the marxist cliff? Debatable (and Welch does a good job as usual arguing the free market side) but at least it should be an honest debate that makes an attempt to avoid the pinko-commie dismissals.

Democratic socialism, Sanders said, is not tied to any Marxist belief or the abolition of capitalism. “I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal,” he said.


http://time.com/4121126/bernie-sanders- ... socialism/

I just don't see a huge difference in wielding the anti-commie sword versus wielding the anti-feudalism sword. We're a mixed market economy and we're really just arguing degrees of economic regulation.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby 89Hen » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:10 am

Ivytalk wrote:Biden/Harris. Book it.

There is no way Joe could make it through the campaign without saying at least a dozen sexist and racist things.
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Postby CID1990 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:29 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
What do you think the freshman cabal in Congress thinks about this?

Crazy Auntie Whatshername floated it in committee just a few years ago -

Obfuscate all you want - but we have full fledged capital C Communists being elected to national office

That doesn’t bother me too much because they are all as stupid as a bag of hammers.... its the electorate that worries me. One day they might get lucky and elect a smart one

JSO - please dont reply to this with another screed on changing demographics. We have read your other 50


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Capital C Communists, Democratic Socialsist, Social Democrats, Socialists, or Marxists? :lol:

Regardless, BDK was disingenuous with that post. There are several articles of the same ilk including this one from Matt Welch at Reason http://time.com/4121126/bernie-sanders- ... socialism/ which are kind enough to admit in the headline that the quotes are from decades ago rather than BDK's boogeyman tactics.

Has Bernie softened his views on economics or is he lying to get votes and if elected will push us off the marxist cliff? Debatable (and Welch does a good job as usual arguing the free market side) but at least it should be an honest debate that makes an attempt to avoid the pinko-commie dismissals.

Democratic socialism, Sanders said, is not tied to any Marxist belief or the abolition of capitalism. “I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal,” he said.


http://time.com/4121126/bernie-sanders- ... socialism/

I just don't see a huge difference in wielding the anti-commie sword versus wielding the anti-feudalism sword. We're a mixed market economy and we're really just arguing degrees of economic regulation.


TL/DR

Tell me how government ownership of the means of production isn’t full bore Communism again.. i forget

BTW that’s how you wind up with unilateral strongmen like Stalin and Chavez- they control the purse strings and the jobs because they control government


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Postby AZGrizFan » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:10 am

89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Biden/Harris. Book it.

There is no way Joe could make it through the campaign without saying at least a dozen sexist and racist things.

:lol: :lol:

Like those things even matter if you’re a Donk. :roll:
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Postby AZGrizFan » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:13 am

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Bernie Sanders
On oil companies:
"I would also urge you to give serious thought about the eventual nationalization of these gigantic companies”..

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit.”..

“In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.”..

“I believe that, in the long run, major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves."..

"I believe in socialized medicine, public ownership of the drug companies and placing doctors on salaries.”..

“Nobody should earn more than a million dollars” calling for a 100% tax on incomes above 100k.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politi ... 6PC%3DAPPL

Holy Comrade. :shock:
Nationalizing large swaths of the economy. Yeah, thats the ticket. Just go ask Venezuela. :rofl:


Way to not include the fact that ALL of these were quotes from 50 years ago, BDK. :roll:

That's not say he still doesn't embrace some of the remedies today that he did back then but it's also surprising that the causes haven't really changed all that much for the better.


Weren’t you the one arguing with me the other day that he NEVER held these views? And what is it about him NOW that makes you think he’s suddenly become a kinder, gentler commie?
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Postby JohnStOnge » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:31 pm

I think Sanders probably does believe in those things he said 50 years ago. The problem for conservatives who disagree with those outlooks is that they are in the process of discrediting their point of view by virtue of supporting Donald Trump. Conservative support of Donald Trump makes ultimate victory by those who hold Sanders' points of view more likely.
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Postby HI54UNI » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:52 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:I think Sanders probably does believe in those things he said 50 years ago. The problem for conservatives who disagree with those outlooks is that they are in the process of discrediting their point of view by virtue of supporting Donald Trump. Conservative support of Donald Trump makes ultimate victory by those who hold Sanders' points of view more likely.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:19 pm

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Bernie Sanders
On oil companies:
"I would also urge you to give serious thought about the eventual nationalization of these gigantic companies”..

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit.”..

“In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.”..

“I believe that, in the long run, major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves."..

"I believe in socialized medicine, public ownership of the drug companies and placing doctors on salaries.”..

“Nobody should earn more than a million dollars” calling for a 100% tax on incomes above 100k.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politi ... 6PC%3DAPPL

Holy Comrade. :shock:
Nationalizing large swaths of the economy. Yeah, thats the ticket. Just go ask Venezuela. :rofl:


Way to not include the fact that ALL of these were quotes from 50 years ago, BDK. :roll:

That's not say he still doesn't embrace some of the remedies today that he did back then but it's also surprising that the causes haven't really changed all that much for the better.

More like 40 years ago. And a tiger doesn‘t doesn‘t change its stripes.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:51 pm

HI54UNI wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:I think Sanders probably does believe in those things he said 50 years ago. The problem for conservatives who disagree with those outlooks is that they are in the process of discrediting their point of view by virtue of supporting Donald Trump. Conservative support of Donald Trump makes ultimate victory by those who hold Sanders' points of view more likely.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:51 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
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Way to not include the fact that ALL of these were quotes from 50 years ago, BDK. :roll:

That's not say he still doesn't embrace some of the remedies today that he did back then but it's also surprising that the causes haven't really changed all that much for the better.

More like 40 years ago. And a tiger doesn‘t doesn‘t change its stripes.


So did you omit the time frame intentionally or lack the observation skills to recognize it?
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