Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[Col Hogan]

So, if AG Barr releases the entire report, unredacted as you demand, will you defend him breaking Federal law by doing that?

It has been succinctly outlined several time why the report cannot be fully released...yet you demand federal law be ignored so you can read everything...

My understanding is that there are ways to do it in conformity with the law. My understanding is that Barr could, for example, ask a judge to clear releasing Grand Jury information to Congress. If the judge clears it it'll be fine.

How about this: If it can be legally done, do you support doing it?

I have no problem with releaseing a properly redacted report...why should Grand Jury information be made public? And I also don’t want methods used by the investigators exposed,,,nor sources exposed...

Otherwise, I have no problem...

[JohnStOnge]

It's not working out like Trump and his fans think it is. This did not eliminate public suspicion. There was a poll collected Monday and Tuesday after Barr's letter was widely reported. The result?

43% of respondents believed "The President and his campaign have been exonerated of any collusion
with Russia."

56% of respondents believed "The President and his campaign have NOT been exonerated, but collusion
could not be proven."

Poll is at http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/03/2 ... ueller.pdf

I am actually encouraged by the fact that 56% of respondents understand that failing to develop evidence sufficient to bring criminal charges does not mean a subject has been exonerated.

In any case, initial indications are that it didn't help Trump nearly as much as he apparently thinks it did. Sure, it'd have been worse if Mueller had said there was sufficient evidence to charge criminal conspiracy. But I don't know by how much. I'd say 43% is pretty close to the percentage of people in the country who have their heads buried in the sand and will support Trump no matter what. The Cult. I suspect that if Muller HAD said there was illegal conspiracy pretty close to 43% would say it was those dirty angry Democrats faking it and the Dear Leader had been falsely accused.

[JohnStOnge]

I have no problem with releaseing a properly redacted report...why should Grand Jury information be made public? And I also don’t want methods used by the investigators exposed,,,nor sources exposed...

Otherwise, I have no problem...

Here is an article on the issue: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/28/70762200 ... vestigatio

This is not about release to the public. It's about release to things like the House Intelligence Committee. I think that if Barr refuses to do it it'll be perceived as the Republicans having something to hide. Not by the 40% or so in the Trump Cult. But by a majority.

[CID1990]

It's not working out like Trump and his fans think it is. This did not eliminate public suspicion. There was a poll collected Monday and Tuesday after Barr's letter was widely reported. The result?

43% of respondents believed "The President and his campaign have been exonerated of any collusion
with Russia."

56% of respondents believed "The President and his campaign have NOT been exonerated, but collusion
could not be proven."

Poll is at http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/03/2 ... ueller.pdf

I am actually encouraged by the fact that 56% of respondents understand that failing to develop evidence sufficient to bring criminal charges does not mean a subject has been exonerated.

In any case, initial indications are that it didn't help Trump nearly as much as he apparently thinks it did. Sure, it'd have been worse if Mueller had said there was sufficient evidence to charge criminal conspiracy. But I don't know by how much. I'd say 43% is pretty close to the percentage of people in the country who have their heads buried in the sand and will support Trump no matter what. The cult. I suspect that if Muller HAD said there was illegal conspiracy pretty close to 43% would say it was those dirty angry Democrats faking it and the Dear Leader had been falsely accused.

Why would you think Trump supporters would have thought the #Resistance would somehow end after the Mueller report?

That's the thing about being delusional... delusions are usually immune to logic or facts

In fact, I'm to the point where I kind of hope the Anti-Trump people don't let this go... I kind of enjoy seeing loss of faith among the strident happening in real time. It is like the ultimate cathedral collapse

[CID1990]

I have no problem with releaseing a properly redacted report...why should Grand Jury information be made public? And I also don’t want methods used by the investigators exposed,,,nor sources exposed...

Otherwise, I have no problem...

Here is an article on the issue: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/28/70762200 ... vestigatio

This is not about release to the public. It's about release to things like the House Intelligence Committee. I think that if Barr refuses to do it it'll be perceived as the Republicans having something to hide. Not by the 40% or so in the Trump Cult. But by a majority.

Pelosi has already said she will not accept a classified briefing so you are pretty much pissing in the wind on this, John

None of this has anything to do with "transparency"

But you resistance types are certainly following the playbook - going after Barr was predicted from many corners the day the report was given to him

BTW- people like Brennan and Schiff have already said they had evidence of collusion between the Trumpers and the Russians. Why don't they pull out this evidence and go with impeachment then?

And Trump already said that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. Why do you need any more evidence of obstruction of justice than that? Write to your Congresscritter and ask them why they won't impeach the guy.

[SDHornet]

@ JSO picking up where jellybelly fell flat. (BTW, anyone see him around? )

Get the scaffolding and chisels ready, JSO making a run for the CS.com Mount Rushmore of Retard.

[Col Hogan]

I have no problem with releaseing a properly redacted report...why should Grand Jury information be made public? And I also don’t want methods used by the investigators exposed,,,nor sources exposed...

Otherwise, I have no problem...

Here is an article on the issue: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/28/70762200 ... vestigatio

This is not about release to the public. It's about release to things like the House Intelligence Committee. I think that if Barr refuses to do it it'll be perceived as the Republicans having something to hide. Not by the 40% or so in the Trump Cult. But by a majority.

Are you so naive that you believe if the report is released to the House Intelligence committee unredacted, that it won’t be leaked within minutes...not days...to the media???

[JohnStOnge]

Why would you think Trump supporters would have thought the #Resistance would somehow end after the Mueller report?

Because they're acting like they think this thing made a big difference. My point is that it does no appear to have move the needle much. Also, I do not think it would have moved the needle much if it'd have gone the other way. That's because the approximately 40% of the population that is in the Trump Cult would not care if Trump were on video raping a 6 month old baby yesterday. They'd still support him. They'd find some way to rationalize that behavior and explain why Jesus approves of it.

[CID1990]

Because they're acting like they think this thing made a big difference. My point is that it does no appear to have move the needle much. Also, I do not think it would have moved the needle much if it'd have gone the other way. That's because the approximately 40% of the population that is in the Trump Cult would not care if Trump were on video raping a 6 month old baby yesterday. They'd still support him.

I don't care.

[JohnStOnge]

Because they're acting like they think this thing made a big difference. My point is that it does no appear to have move the needle much. Also, I do not think it would have moved the needle much if it'd have gone the other way. That's because the approximately 40% of the population that is in the Trump Cult would not care if Trump were on video raping a 6 month old baby yesterday. They'd still support him.

I don't care.

Well, the main thing is that it appears that a lot of people understand that what just happened was not an exoneration. I'm actually surprised and encouraged by that.

[CID1990]

I don't care.

Well, the main thing is that it appears that a lot of people understand that what just happened was not an exoneration. I'm actually surprised and encouraged by that.

Whatever floats your boat

Maybe you should try holding your breath until Trump's out of office

It looks like Jelly is trying it

[SDHornet]

Well, the main thing is that it appears that a lot of people understand that what just happened was not an exoneration. I'm actually surprised and encouraged by that.

Whatever floats your boat

Maybe you should try holding your breath until Trump's out of office

It looks like Jelly is trying it

I'm glad to see the leftists banging the "illegitimate" drum (in this case insisting collusion is still there) until 2020. It will only help Trump in reminding everyone how delusional the left is...it's almost as if they want a 2nd term of Trump.

[css75]

I have no problem with releaseing a properly redacted report...why should Grand Jury information be made public? And I also don’t want methods used by the investigators exposed,,,nor sources exposed...

Otherwise, I have no problem...

Here is an article on the issue: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/28/70762200 ... vestigatio

This is not about release to the public. It's about release to things like the House Intelligence Committee. I think that if Barr refuses to do it it'll be perceived as the Republicans having something to hide. Not by the 40% or so in the Trump Cult. But by a majority.

Trump 50% approval rating, higher than your President Obama ever got.


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[CID1990]

I'm less interested in Maddow than I am in this paragraph:

Yes, there were disturbing developments in the Mueller probe, but the evidence always tilted away from any Trump-Russian conspiracy.

Believing otherwise required ignoring common sense (why would the Russians need to collude with the Trump campaign in the first place?), ignoring statements from more sober-minded intelligence officials that there was no evidence of collusion, ignoring the policy areas where Trump was tougher on Russia than Obama, and ignoring how the Mueller probe was unfolding, with no indictments for espionage or conspiracy with the Russians.

The Roger Stone indictment should have been the final indication, demonstrating in detail how the Trump campaign was on the outside looking in on the WikiLeaks operation. Always vigilant, Maddow didn’t let it shake her.

I said all of these things in one way or another over the length of this thread.

Always vigilant, Jelly didn't let it shake him.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ion-226266

[houndawg]

I'm less interested in Maddow than I am in this paragraph:

Yes, there were disturbing developments in the Mueller probe, but the evidence always tilted away from any Trump-Russian conspiracy.

Believing otherwise required ignoring common sense (why would the Russians need to collude with the Trump campaign in the first place?), ignoring statements from more sober-minded intelligence officials that there was no evidence of collusion, ignoring the policy areas where Trump was tougher on Russia than Obama, and ignoring how the Mueller probe was unfolding, with no indictments for espionage or conspiracy with the Russians.

The Roger Stone indictment should have been the final indication, demonstrating in detail how the Trump campaign was on the outside looking in on the WikiLeaks operation. Always vigilant, Maddow didn’t let it shake her.

I said all of these things in one way or another over the length of this thread.

Always vigilant, Jelly didn't let it shake him.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ion-226266

I think that its caused by the enormous disconnect between what you cite and the groveling servility displayed by his body language when he is in Putin's presence. The way he walks behind Putin and stands quietly to the side looking dumpy while Putin does the talking. Its so completely opposite of his normal braying jackass mode in virtually any other meeting and communication is at least as much non-verbal as it is spoken. This is the observer responding to what he sees rather than what he hears.

Someday that interpreter is going to talk.

[CID1990]

I'm less interested in Maddow than I am in this paragraph:



I said all of these things in one way or another over the length of this thread.

Always vigilant, Jelly didn't let it shake him.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ion-226266

I think that its caused by the enormous disconnect between what you cite and the groveling servility displayed by his body language when he is in Putin's presence. The way he walks behind Putin and stands quietly to the side looking dumpy while Putin does the talking. Its so completely opposite of his normal braying jackass mode in virtually any other meeting and communication is at least as much non-verbal as it is spoken. This is the observer responding to what he sees rather than what he hears.

Someday that interpreter is going to talk.

Go be coy and bitter somewhere in the “shit Trump says” thread or something

This dung heap is reserved for me and a few others to dance on


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[Ivytalk]

I think that its caused by the enormous disconnect between what you cite and the groveling servility displayed by his body language when he is in Putin's presence. The way he walks behind Putin and stands quietly to the side looking dumpy while Putin does the talking. Its so completely opposite of his normal braying jackass mode in virtually any other meeting and communication is at least as much non-verbal as it is spoken. This is the observer responding to what he sees rather than what he hears.

Someday that interpreter is going to talk.

Go be coy and bitter somewhere in the “**** Trump says” thread or something

This dung heap is reserved for me and a few others to dance on


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Go sell crazy somewhere else
We’re all stocked up here

[Winterborn]

Just giving you shit.

I’m liberal and keep an open mind....so t his wont be the last time you can accuse me of this.....

Nothing wrong with either. The trouble comes in when people take it to an extreme (goes for both sides).

And I give people a hard time fully expecting them to pay it back. It is what makes discussions fun.

[css75]

We should start a pool as to when jelly returns.


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Just the kind if cowardice the left embraces. I am sure he will launch on the next story they make up about Trump

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[∞∞∞]

Has the Mueller report been fully released yet? No? Until then Trump isn't exonerated.

Most Americans want this. The letter isn't enough nor will any redacted report.

[css75]

Has the Mueller report been fully released yet? No? Until then Trump isn't exonerated.

Most Americans want this. The letter isn't enough nor will any redacted report.

BS, there was nothing there from the beginning. Mueller knew that 2 weeks in. Trip, this whole thing is a fraud and was made up to attempt to drive Trump, duly elected, out of office. Morons like Pencil Neck Schaffer will just make up a new fable, as they got people like you to believe it without looking for the truth as they are too lazy.


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[GannonFan]

Has the Mueller report been fully released yet? No? Until then Trump isn't exonerated.

Most Americans want this. The letter isn't enough nor will any redacted report.

Then you're a loon. Of course the report is going to have redactions. If you honestly believe there will be a report with zero redactions and that without one you'll keep burning the candle for Trump to be frog-marched out of the White House then you're a closed mind. Not that many here think you have an open mind on things anyway, but you'll more clearly be the partisan zealot that you apparently are.

[∞∞∞]

Has the Mueller report been fully released yet? No? Until then Trump isn't exonerated.

Most Americans want this. The letter isn't enough nor will any redacted report.

Then you're a loon. Of course the report is going to have redactions. If you honestly believe there will be a report with zero redactions and that without one you'll keep burning the candle for Trump to be frog-marched out of the White House then you're a closed mind. Not that many here think you have an open mind on things anyway, but you'll more clearly be the partisan zealot that you apparently are.

I guess the 75% of Americans that want the full report out there are loons (according to NPR/PBS/Marist).

84% according to Quinnipiac.

[GannonFan]

Then you're a loon. Of course the report is going to have redactions. If you honestly believe there will be a report with zero redactions and that without one you'll keep burning the candle for Trump to be frog-marched out of the White House then you're a closed mind. Not that many here think you have an open mind on things anyway, but you'll more clearly be the partisan zealot that you apparently are.

I guess the 75% of Americans that want the full report out there are loons.

I think the number of loons in America is higher than that. Plenty of stupid people in the world, it shouldn't be a goal to be a part of that group. There will be redactions, that's always been known. It's a government document with grand jury testimony and sensitive intelligence information. Being purposely ignorant of that is nothing to proud of.