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Bibi wins! (And this probably deserves it own thread).
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Come on, that's even sillier than your first posts on this. Now politicians aren't doing anything because there isn't anything known about healthcare? There aren't many industries we don't know more about than healthcare, both in just this country and then even worldwide. And who's voting these politicians into office? If people want healthcare to be a major priority then they will elect people who will make healthcare a major priority. We get the government we want/deserve.
Again ^ irrelevant...
It's not what I'm arguing

Voting politicians into office and getting the government we deserve isn't even a part of this conversation
You are having a conversation about something entirely different than any comments I made

:coffee:
Dude, you're dodging all over the place, it is what you're arguing no matter how many times you want to pretend it's not. You said if we gave politicians Obamacare today and make them live it them healthcare would be fixed because they would care about it then. That assumes, again, that a "fix" could actually exist, that assumes that they (the politicians) even have the wherewithal to manage the process to "fix" it (again, assuming it can even be "fixed"), and those assumptions completely undermine your premise that it's just an issue of politicians caring enough. Caring about it isn't the magic bullet keeping us from a perfect (or fixed) healthcare system.
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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Again ^ irrelevant...
It's not what I'm arguing

Voting politicians into office and getting the government we deserve isn't even a part of this conversation
You are having a conversation about something entirely different than any comments I made

:coffee:
Dude, you're dodging all over the place, it is what you're arguing no matter how many times you want to pretend it's not. You said if we gave politicians Obamacare today and make them live it them healthcare would be fixed because they would care about it then. That assumes, again, that a "fix" could actually exist, that assumes that they (the politicians) even have the wherewithal to manage the process to "fix" it (again, assuming it can even be "fixed"), and those assumptions completely undermine your premise that it's just an issue of politicians caring enough. Caring about it isn't the magic bullet keeping us from a perfect (or fixed) healthcare system.
Now that ^ is a good point...
And agreed, my premise is that if we forced them into a shit healthcare situation
They would band together (work together) to solve what now has become their problem

I believe they would work together
and I believe they would commission studies and bi-partisan committees

But to your point, that still MIGHT NOT work...
Fair enough, I concede

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But to my point:
They aren't doing sh!t about it... and they don't care
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BDKJMU wrote:[/b]
Chizzang wrote:
None of this is even remotely what I'm suggesting...
you obviously haven't read or comprehended a word of my posts

I never suggested anybody in congress had a clue about our healthcare system
I never suggested there was a magical solution

I suggested that congress hasn't done anything about Obama Care
because they don't have to use Obama Care

and by "not done anything" I mean they haven't created any research committees or bi-partisan studies
so there's no accumulated data on the proper direction any new legislation should take
there is no hard information to even begin the process of "fixing"

and none is forthcoming
because there is no healthcare crisis as far as they're concerned
there is just big pharma and Group Health buying politicians to stand still and do nothing

:nod:

I understand that you don't think it's political obstruction - like I do
and you can argue that all you want... but we're having two different conversations
They would be correct then.
So you're saying Obama Care is good then..?

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Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:[/b]
They would be correct then.
So you're saying Obama Care is good then..?

:shock:

I wanna make sure I got this right
JFC, you are jumping all over the place on this topic. :roll: No. Saying there isn't a healthcare crisis isn't saying Obamacare is good. That's one giant leap you made there. :suspicious:
And the most onerous, and wrong part about Obamacare, was the Obamacare penalty which has been eliminated (for 2019 and on).

We have a # of healthcare problems in this country. But we don't have a crisis.

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BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
So you're saying Obama Care is good then..?

:shock:

I wanna make sure I got this right
JFC, you are jumping all over the place on this topic. :roll: No. Saying there isn't a healthcare crisis isn't saying Obamacare is good. That's one giant leap you made there. :suspicious:
And the most onerous, and wrong part about Obamacare, was the Obamacare penalty which has been eliminated (for 2019 and on).

We have a # of healthcare problems in this country. But we don't have a crisis.
:lol:

Seems like "perspective" but I'll take it on faith that we don't have a crisis

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Gotta agree with Chizz.

You've got hospitals and private practices that have no incentive to keep costs low as long as insurance companies and medicare are paying the bills, and they're not only not concerned about price, some of them are more than happy to milk them for as much as they can.

The insurance companies just shrug their shoulders at all this and raise premiums because they know their policy holders aren't going to have any other choice but to pay up.

And some big corporations might get fed up with paying the costs of employees health care but care more about how much they have to pay rather than how expensive health care is.

No one wants to talk about why it's all so expensive instead of who is going to pay for it, because who stands to gain (besides patients) if costs get reasonable?
We get the government we deserve. :nod:

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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
No, klam, that isn’t the point at all

It is king commie himself thinking that he actually has the right to the fruits of his labor - and quite clearly pointing that out when questioned about it

You don’t have to be defensive about this particular commie, klam... he has as many apologists as Trump


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Just stop. It’s a giant swing and miss - turd of an article.

It’s ok, I’ve posted a few too in my time.

:coffee:
That’s your opinion - we all know you have one when it comes to the communists and the islamists, for sure

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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
You're so over your skis on this one I'm shocked you haven't knocked yourself out from falling yet. You're basically saying the only way to come up with the best healthcare system is to take elected officials, most of whom have no medical/healthcare background whatsoever, deny them any healthcare at all (again, for their voluntary, elected position), and wait for them to just figure it out for us. Like some weird political Thunderdome game; like 535 elected officials enter, 1 perfect healthcare system for everyone leave kind of thing? You really don't believe that, do you? You have to be trolling here, that's so absurd. And I don't mean so absurd it's awesome like Gritty is, but just silly absurd.

Our healthcare system comes down to choice, and it's the choice we, as the collective electorate, make. If we want a single payer system then we'll vote it into place (and I think somewhere in the next decade we do just that). We don't have one yet because not enough of us have wanted one so far. There's no magic elixir out there, whatever healthcare system we end up with will be good and bad, just like it is everywhere else in the world, and its success (the outcomes) will be impinged on by lifestyle choices and behaviors of the population at large. There's no real solve the problem here, there's just different degrees of what we could want. But yes, go on propagating the silly idea that it's a tiny cabal of elected politicians are too comfy that is getting in the way of healthcare nirvana. And unicorns too. :coffee:
None of this is even remotely what I'm suggesting...
you obviously haven't read or comprehended a word of my posts

I never suggested anybody in congress had a clue about our healthcare system
I never suggested there was a magical solution

I suggested that congress hasn't done anything about Obama Care
because they don't have to use Obama Care

and by "not done anything" I mean they haven't created any research committees or bi-partisan studies
so there's no accumulated data on the proper direction any new legislation should take
there is no hard information to even begin the process of "fixing"

and none is forthcoming
because there is no healthcare crisis as far as they're concerned
there is just big pharma and Group Health buying politicians to stand still and do nothing

:nod:

I understand that you don't think it's political obstruction - like I do
and you can argue that all you want... but we're having two different conversations
That’s better -

I could have sworn you said Congress would “fix” healthcare if they didn’t have the good stuff

BTW - I have the good stuff too (sorta)... as do millions and millions of other people. Single payer and “medicare for all” would take that away. Maybe we’re a part of the equation too?



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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
None of this is even remotely what I'm suggesting...
you obviously haven't read or comprehended a word of my posts

I never suggested anybody in congress had a clue about our healthcare system
I never suggested there was a magical solution

I suggested that congress hasn't done anything about Obama Care
because they don't have to use Obama Care

and by "not done anything" I mean they haven't created any research committees or bi-partisan studies
so there's no accumulated data on the proper direction any new legislation should take
there is no hard information to even begin the process of "fixing"

and none is forthcoming
because there is no healthcare crisis as far as they're concerned
there is just big pharma and Group Health buying politicians to stand still and do nothing

:nod:

I understand that you don't think it's political obstruction - like I do
and you can argue that all you want... but we're having two different conversations
That’s better -

I could have sworn you said Congress would “fix” healthcare if they didn’t have the good stuff

BTW - I have the good stuff too (sorta)... as do millions and millions of other people. Single payer and “medicare for all” would take that away. Maybe we’re a part of the equation too?



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Indeed. Now...

Reconcile this post with our discussion about Bernie and your article...

:lol:

(If this post was an intentional troll it’s fantastic by the way.)
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That’s better -

I could have sworn you said Congress would “fix” healthcare if they didn’t have the good stuff

BTW - I have the good stuff too (sorta)... as do millions and millions of other people. Single payer and “medicare for all” would take that away. Maybe we’re a part of the equation too?



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Indeed. Now...

Reconcile this post with our discussion about Bernie and your article...

:lol:

(If this post was an intentional troll it’s fantastic by the way.)
Just stop being an idiot and following me around, Jelly

I was pointing out hypocrisy on Bernie’s part.

If I start saying things like “to each according to his need, from each according to his ability” then you can hoist me from that petard too

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Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: JFC, you are jumping all over the place on this topic. :roll: No. Saying there isn't a healthcare crisis isn't saying Obamacare is good. That's one giant leap you made there. :suspicious:
And the most onerous, and wrong part about Obamacare, was the Obamacare penalty which has been eliminated (for 2019 and on).

We have a # of healthcare problems in this country. But we don't have a crisis.
:lol:

Seems like "perspective" but I'll take it on faith that we don't have a crisis

Half A Century Of The Health Care Crisis (And Still Going Strong)
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.137 ... 7305/full/
A half century "crisis" um...yeah.. :roll:

Since when do crisises last a half century or more? Big problems don't automatically equal a "crisis"

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BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
:lol:

Seems like "perspective" but I'll take it on faith that we don't have a crisis

Half A Century Of The Health Care Crisis (And Still Going Strong)
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.137 ... 7305/full/
A half century "crisis" um...yeah.. :roll:

Since when do crisises last a half century or more? Big problems don't automatically equal a "crisis"
Oh... I see
So you've got good healthcare is what I'm hearing you say

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Indeed. Now...

Reconcile this post with our discussion about Bernie and your article...

:lol:

(If this post was an intentional troll it’s fantastic by the way.)
Just stop being an idiot and following me around, Jelly

I was pointing out hypocrisy on Bernie’s part.

If I start saying things like “to each according to his need, from each according to his ability” then you can hoist me from that petard too

WTF.... both Clitz and klam get their accounts hacked by treep and jelly in the same week
Settle down there CID
You miss the mark as often as anybody around here

:coffee:

apparently in spite of your self congratulatory disposition
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Indeed. Now...

Reconcile this post with our discussion about Bernie and your article...

:lol:

(If this post was an intentional troll it’s fantastic by the way.)
Just stop being an idiot and following me around, Jelly

I was pointing out hypocrisy on Bernie’s part.

If I start saying things like “to each according to his need, from each according to his ability” then you can hoist me from that petard too

WTF.... both Clitz and klam get their accounts hacked by treep and jelly in the same week


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Good god, man are you still chirping about defending a rather dumb op-Ed piece that suggests millionaires should feel bad about supporting Medicare for all as long as they still have money?

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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Just stop being an idiot and following me around, Jelly

I was pointing out hypocrisy on Bernie’s part.

If I start saying things like “to each according to his need, from each according to his ability” then you can hoist me from that petard too

WTF.... both Clitz and klam get their accounts hacked by treep and jelly in the same week


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Good god, man are you still chirping about defending a rather dumb op-Ed piece that suggests millionaires should feel bad about supporting Medicare for all as long as they still have money?

(And/or whatever other meaningless gotcha points the author thinks he discovered?)
















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No, klam

I actually agree with the guy - do you get the point now, or do you need me to write it is crayon for you?

I agree that Bernie should make as much money as he wants, by producing a product people want, with nobody else deciding how much is enough.

The problem here is that Citizen Bernie doesn’t agree with Senator Bernie

I realize your need to defend the guy but just know that I really like losses of faith... that’s why I enjoy reading about Obama not being the magical guy we were told he was, kids finding out early there is no Santa, cathedral collapses, and Bernie thinking he’s entitled to a lot of income from his book


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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Just stop being an idiot and following me around, Jelly

I was pointing out hypocrisy on Bernie’s part.

If I start saying things like “to each according to his need, from each according to his ability” then you can hoist me from that petard too

WTF.... both Clitz and klam get their accounts hacked by treep and jelly in the same week
Settle down there CID
You miss the mark as often as anybody around here

:coffee:

apparently in spite of your self congratulatory disposition
I do miss the mark -

though not quite as spectacularly as this

get back to fixing healthcare and leave the klam flogging to me

(and after nearly 5000 posts of Jellyjizz I’ll be as self congratulatory as I possibly can... for at least another week...)

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Good god, man are you still chirping about defending a rather dumb op-Ed piece that suggests millionaires should feel bad about supporting Medicare for all as long as they still have money?

(And/or whatever other meaningless gotcha points the author thinks he discovered?)
















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No, klam

I actually agree with the guy - do you get the point now, or do you need me to write it is crayon for you?

I agree that Bernie should make as much money as he wants, by producing a product people want, with nobody else deciding how much is enough.

The problem here is that Citizen Bernie doesn’t agree with Senator Bernie

I realize your need to defend the guy but just know that I really like losses of faith... that’s why I enjoy reading about Obama not being the magical guy we were told he was, kids finding out early there is no Santa, cathedral collapses, and Bernie thinking he’s entitled to a lot of income from his book


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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
No, klam

I actually agree with the guy - do you get the point now, or do you need me to write it is crayon for you?

I agree that Bernie should make as much money as he wants, by producing a product people want, with nobody else deciding how much is enough.

The problem here is that Citizen Bernie doesn’t agree with Senator Bernie

I realize your need to defend the guy but just know that I really like losses of faith... that’s why I enjoy reading about Obama not being the magical guy we were told he was, kids finding out early there is no Santa, cathedral collapses, and Bernie thinking he’s entitled to a lot of income from his book


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Show me where the evil citizen Bernie doll touched you and said people aren’t entitled to making a buck.
Bernie isn't a "democratic" Socialist? I sure think I remember him saying he was, once or twice.

Just give it up, klam. Your muse is a hypocrite. It isn't that big a deal - they're a dime a dozen in Washington.
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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Just stop being an idiot and following me around, Jelly

I was pointing out hypocrisy on Bernie’s part.

If I start saying things like “to each according to his need, from each according to his ability” then you can hoist me from that petard too

WTF.... both Clitz and klam get their accounts hacked by treep and jelly in the same week
Settle down there CID
You miss the mark as often as anybody around here

:coffee:

apparently in spite of your self congratulatory disposition
Thanks for being here to educate the country folk and such!

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Show me where the evil citizen Bernie doll touched you and said people aren’t entitled to making a buck.
Bernie isn't a "democratic" Socialist? I sure think I remember him saying he was, once or twice.

Just give it up, klam. Your muse is a hypocrite. It isn't that big a deal - they're a dime a dozen in Washington.
Maybe Bernie doesn’t know what he is either... :lol:

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Ibanez wrote:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8839586/j ... sy-london/
JULIAN Assange was dramatically arrested by British cops today and dragged screaming from the Ecuadorian Embassy after seven years hiding inside.
Sweden might have a case against the guy but I really hope we stay away from him. He shouldn’t be subject to our laws on espionage. He certainly isn’t the traitor. The actual traitor already got commuted.




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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Post by Pwns »

CID1990 wrote:
Sweden might have a case against the guy but I really hope we stay away from him. He shouldn’t be subject to our laws on espionage. He certainly isn’t the traitor. The actual traitor already got commuted.




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Yeah, but Assange has got to answer for his real crime. The hacking of the DNC. :pissed:
We get the government we deserve. :nod:

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