The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[CID1990]

I know that Northern Europe doesn’t have a single millionaire.

Fact.

Look I'm NOT for higher taxes...
But it's not the problem we're led to believe it is

BTW: reducing taxes doesn't deliver anything even close to what we're promised will happen either

That’s true

My opposition to raising taxes is rooted mostly in the fact that it simply grows a government which is already a very bad steward of the money to begin with. Feeding it more isn’t going to fix any of our looming problems.

But politicians want to get reelected and fixing healthcare and entitlements will create across the board pain that will make reelection impossible

So here we are, bickering about the rich and how they don’t give the government enough of their money to set on fire


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[JohnStOnge]

What's being exposed is you trying to find SOME way to say things have significantly changed under Trump. Data are data. There are always things going on. But your thing is to try to find SOME way to say that, even though there been any "significant" changes in measures such as the trend in unemployment and real GDP there is evidence that Trump REALLY improved things. No way. The quantitative evidence just isn't there.

It's just amazing to me that you say things were EASY for a President coming in when we were in the midst of a severe recession but it was HARD for a President coming in when we were in the 10th year of an economic expansion. Just step back and contemplate the absurdity of that position. And it IS absurd.

Not all of it. Nowhere to go but up....Cyclical economics....

There is something to that. In fact back when Obama won I posted either here or on AGS (I don't remember when I switched to here) that Obama was in good shape because he was taking over when things were bad.

Nevertheless, Trump's schtick is that he took over a mess and turned it around. That is nonsense. He took over when everything was going in the right direction. And, again, the test to me is to look at the data then ask yourself if one would think just based on the data that something changed in recent years to change the basic nature of the current recovery. And the honest answer to that question is "no." Bottom line is that the economy turned around early during the Obama Administration and has been pretty much on the same trajectory ever since. The idea that we had an awful economy then Trump rode in on his white horse and changed things is absurd.

[SDHornet]

All these arguments about the economy, and I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how our economy posted more than a 2% growth, after all we were told those days were over.

Maybe Trump used his magic wand.

[kalm]

Look I'm NOT for higher taxes...
But it's not the problem we're led to believe it is

BTW: reducing taxes doesn't deliver anything even close to what we're promised will happen either

That’s true

My opposition to raising taxes is rooted mostly in the fact that it simply grows a government which is already a very bad steward of the money to begin with. Feeding it more isn’t going to fix any of our looming problems.

But politicians want to get reelected and fixing healthcare and entitlements will create across the board pain that will make reelection impossible

So here we are, bickering about the rich and how they don’t give the government enough of their money to set on fire


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Valid.

Sounds like the Clinton presidency was the best mix for you? A president willing and able to raise taxes coupled with a Republican Congress that put the reigns on spending.

[CID1990]

That’s true

My opposition to raising taxes is rooted mostly in the fact that it simply grows a government which is already a very bad steward of the money to begin with. Feeding it more isn’t going to fix any of our looming problems.

But politicians want to get reelected and fixing healthcare and entitlements will create across the board pain that will make reelection impossible

So here we are, bickering about the rich and how they don’t give the government enough of their money to set on fire


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Valid.

Sounds like the Clinton presidency was the best mix for you? A president willing and able to raise taxes coupled with a Republican Congress that put the reigns on spending.

Clinton’s second term, yes.

Nowhere close to my ideal, but closer than anyone since.


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[UNI88]

Not all of it. Nowhere to go but up....Cyclical economics....

Nevertheless, my schtick is that I argue emphatically that everything positive about Trump is nonsense.

FYP

John you're not completely wrong about Trump but you're not right either. The economy wasn't as bad as it was for Obama but Trump has faced some obstacles (as AZ has pointed out) that Obama didn't and as you implied it's can be easier to go up from the bottom than it is to maintain and improve upon the good times. And I believe the economy has improved in the last 2 years.



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[UNI88]

Valid.

Sounds like the Clinton presidency was the best mix for you? A president willing and able to raise taxes coupled with a Republican Congress that put the reigns on spending.

Clinton’s second term, yes.

Nowhere close to my ideal, but closer than anyone since.


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I agree with CID on this.

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[UNI88]

Define socialist. A true socialist (not democratic socialist) is opposed to the accumulation of wealth through private sector initiatives. They would want to tax such wealth to the point where they can redistribute it (after taking out the government's cut and using it to buy themselves a lakeside dacha in Vermont).

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Well I’m pretty sure Bernie isn’t a true socialist but that’s the beauty of our system. You can neither be a true socialist or true capitalist where you accept competition and democracy crushing monopolies...waiting for the market to take them down.

You have more faith in Bernie than I do. I think he's an arrogant ass who believes that it's in everyone's best interests if he and other intellectual elites are running things (ie like minded thinkers). He wouldn't be afraid to use a cultural revolution to get rid of potential dissenters. And he would have no problem with him and his elites enjoying the good life while the proletariat trudged through life.

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[JohnStOnge]

The graph below provides basis for another example of just looking at data (estimates) and honestly asking if one would think something happened after 2016 to notably change things or make things historically great. It's a graph of quarterly real GDP growth going all the say back to 1947 and continuing through the 3.2 percent rate that was reported Friday (which is subject to revision).

Again, the thing that stands out about the last part of the period is low variability. It does NOT stand out as a great historic period of growth. There does appear to possibly be the start of a trend towards increasing growth rates starting at where you see the red outline of an "X." But that "X" marks the 4th quarter of 2015. So if there is a trend it started there. It is not an "after 2016" thing. And you can see that there is absolutely nothing historically remarkable about a 3.2 percent quarterly GDP growth rate. Not historically back into 1947. Not historically over the past 10 years. Just eyeball it. 3.2 percent is the last point on the graph. compare it to previous points even just back to where you can see the "great recession" and you can see it is not remarkable at all. Again: This thing where Trump and his minions are running around saying things sucked but now we are in this BOOMING economy that is THE BEST ECONOMY EVER is just complete nonsense.

The graph can be viewed at https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A191RL1Q225SBEA#0.

[AZGrizFan]

And you braying to the wind that nothin has changed is also complete nonsense.

[houndawg]

Well I’m pretty sure Bernie isn’t a true socialist but that’s the beauty of our system. You can neither be a true socialist or true capitalist where you accept competition and democracy crushing monopolies...waiting for the market to take them down.

You have more faith in Bernie than I do. I think he's an arrogant ass who believes that it's in everyone's best interests if he and other intellectual elites are running things (ie like minded thinkers). He wouldn't be afraid to use a cultural revolution to get rid of potential dissenters. And he would have no problem with him and his elites enjoying the good life while the proletariat trudged through life.

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You can tell by the vast fortune he's accumulated.

[CAA Flagship]

The graph below provides basis for another example of just looking at data (estimates) and honestly asking if one would think something happened after 2016 to notably change things or make things historically great. It's a graph of quarterly real GDP growth going all the say back to 1947 and continuing through the 3.2 percent rate that was reported Friday (which is subject to revision).

Again, the thing that stands out about the last part of the period is low variability. It does NOT stand out as a great historic period of growth. There does appear to possibly be the start of a trend towards increasing growth rates starting at where you see the red outline of an "X." But that "X" marks the 4th quarter of 2015. So if there is a trend it started there. It is not an "after 2016" thing. And you can see that there is absolutely nothing historically remarkable about a 3.2 percent quarterly GDP growth rate. Not historically back into 1947. Not historically over the past 10 years. Just eyeball it. 3.2 percent is the last point on the graph. compare it to previous points even just back to where you can see the "great recession" and you can see it is not remarkable at all. Again: This thing where Trump and his minions are running around saying things sucked but now we are in this BOOMING economy that is THE BEST ECONOMY EVER is just complete nonsense.

The graph can be viewed at https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A191RL1Q225SBEA#0.

My son is batting .385 on the season. But he has not faced all the top pitchers on the top teams as many of his teammates have. His .385 is not as good as a .385 from other players on the team.
Obama, in his second term, faced JV pitching and only managed 2%. Trump is facing aces (Fed action) and is batting left-handed (Trade wars) and has a better batting average.

[Chizzang]

The graph below provides basis for another example of just looking at data (estimates) and honestly asking if one would think something happened after 2016 to notably change things or make things historically great. It's a graph of quarterly real GDP growth going all the say back to 1947 and continuing through the 3.2 percent rate that was reported Friday (which is subject to revision).

Again, the thing that stands out about the last part of the period is low variability. It does NOT stand out as a great historic period of growth. There does appear to possibly be the start of a trend towards increasing growth rates starting at where you see the red outline of an "X." But that "X" marks the 4th quarter of 2015. So if there is a trend it started there. It is not an "after 2016" thing. And you can see that there is absolutely nothing historically remarkable about a 3.2 percent quarterly GDP growth rate. Not historically back into 1947. Not historically over the past 10 years. Just eyeball it. 3.2 percent is the last point on the graph. compare it to previous points even just back to where you can see the "great recession" and you can see it is not remarkable at all. Again: This thing where Trump and his minions are running around saying things sucked but now we are in this BOOMING economy that is THE BEST ECONOMY EVER is just complete nonsense.

The graph can be viewed at https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A191RL1Q225SBEA#0.

My son is batting .385 on the season. But he has not faced all the top pitchers on the top teams as many of his teammates have. His .385 is not as good as a .385 from other players on the team.
Obama, in his second term, faced JV pitching and only managed 2%. Trump is facing aces (Fed action) and is batting left-handed (Trade wars) and has a better batting average.

Trump has turned off a vast majority of regulations and oversight...
Which is like removing the foul lines and bringing the fence in 30 feet on a baseball field

To use your example...



The tax breaks for rich people didn't grow the economy it grew wall street
The tax breaks for corporations didn't grow the economy it grew compensation packages

De-regulation (you'll want to write that down) is what's growing the economy

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/ ... trump-era/

[css75]

My son is batting .385 on the season. But he has not faced all the top pitchers on the top teams as many of his teammates have. His .385 is not as good as a .385 from other players on the team.
Obama, in his second term, faced JV pitching and only managed 2%. Trump is facing aces (Fed action) and is batting left-handed (Trade wars) and has a better batting average.

Trump has turned off a vast majority of regulations and oversight...
Which is like removing the foul lines and bringing the fence in 30 feet on a baseball field

To use your example...



The tax breaks for rich people didn't grow the economy it grew wall street
The tax breaks for corporations didn't grow the economy it grew compensation packages

De-regulation (you'll want to write that down) is what's growing the economy

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/ ... trump-era/

No, what Trump has done is bring in better, coaches, pitchers and hitters. The coaches have shown players better and easier ways to play (easing regulations).


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[Chizzang]

Trump has turned off a vast majority of regulations and oversight...
Which is like removing the foul lines and bringing the fence in 30 feet on a baseball field

To use your example...



The tax breaks for rich people didn't grow the economy it grew wall street
The tax breaks for corporations didn't grow the economy it grew compensation packages

De-regulation (you'll want to write that down) is what's growing the economy

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/ ... trump-era/

No, what Trump has done is bring in better, coaches, pitchers and hitters. The coaches have shown players better and easier ways to play (easing regulations).

Not quite...
There has never been an administration in history hire fewer "experts" than the present
You'll want to do a few minutes of actual research on that

The fact that we're even discussing this as if it were not common knowledge
should be disturbing to everyone - even hard and fast Republicans

[Ibanez]

Trump has turned off a vast majority of regulations and oversight...
Which is like removing the foul lines and bringing the fence in 30 feet on a baseball field

To use your example...



The tax breaks for rich people didn't grow the economy it grew wall street
The tax breaks for corporations didn't grow the economy it grew compensation packages

De-regulation (you'll want to write that down) is what's growing the economy

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/ ... trump-era/

No, what Trump has done is bring in better, coaches, pitchers and hitters. The coaches have shown players better and easier ways to play (easing regulations).


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Trump surrounded himself with the best. Just like he said.




Then they got indicted, quit, fired, insulted and ridiculed by Trump. Simply the best.

[AZGrizFan]

My son is batting .385 on the season. But he has not faced all the top pitchers on the top teams as many of his teammates have. His .385 is not as good as a .385 from other players on the team.
Obama, in his second term, faced JV pitching and only managed 2%. Trump is facing aces (Fed action) and is batting left-handed (Trade wars) and has a better batting average.

Trump has turned off a vast majority of regulations and oversight...
Which is like removing the foul lines and bringing the fence in 30 feet on a baseball field

To use your example...



The tax breaks for rich people didn't grow the economy it grew wall street
The tax breaks for corporations didn't grow the economy it grew compensation packages

De-regulation (you'll want to write that down) is what's growing the economy

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/ ... trump-era/

Please list all the regulations and oversight he’s “turned off”...because I sure dont’ see it in my industry.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

No, what Trump has done is bring in better, coaches, pitchers and hitters. The coaches have shown players better and easier ways to play (easing regulations).


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Trump surrounded himself with the best. Just like he said.




Then they got indicted, quit, fired, insulted and ridiculed by Trump. Simply the best.

And he did it on purpose to shine light on corruption and drain the swamp.

[kalm]

Trump surrounded himself with the best. Just like he said.




Then they got indicted, quit, fired, insulted and ridiculed by Trump. Simply the best.

And he did it on purpose to shine light on corruption and drain the swamp.

Fucking 4 dimensional chess right there!

[Ibanez]

Trump surrounded himself with the best. Just like he said.




Then they got indicted, quit, fired, insulted and ridiculed by Trump. Simply the best.

And he did it on purpose to shine light on corruption and drain the swamp.

That makes zero sense. He hasn't drained the swamp. Tillerson, Haley, Mad Dog, and Kelly were his "best".

[Chizzang]

And he did it on purpose to shine light on corruption and drain the swamp.

[93henfan]

Chiz wins page 159 of this thread.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yes, thank god hes here to educate us and show us how humor really works.

What would we do without him?

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[CID1990]

Chapter 29, Page 217 of “Odd Behavior for a Putin Stooge”:

My boss goes on the news saying Maduro was ready to flee Venezuela yesterday, but the Russians talked him out of it.


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/civil- ... m=facebook

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