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CID1990 wrote:
It is easy actually ... if you view it honestly

The pro-abortion left needs to own its nihilism and call it what it is...

Denying it only prolongs the agony yet changes nothing

Abortion is killing... homicide... murder

There is no reason to equivocate about it... there are too many people here. We need to be killing as many as we can
"Honesty" is a silly word coming from a conservative (these days)
They seem to only notice it's absence within a narrow field of topics

The moral high horse provides an obstructed view apparently

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I assume you are referring to “conservatives” who support Donald Trump without critique vs actual conservatives

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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
it's a tricky moral dance...
it's easy to defend either position (for or against) if you apply zero moral uniformity to the greater landscape

This is why abortion is still the most fascinating human dilemma
both positions are easily viewed as correct

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It is easy actually ... if you view it honestly

The pro-abortion left needs to own its nihilism and call it what it is...

Denying it only prolongs the agony yet changes nothing

Abortion is killing... homicide... murder

There is no reason to equivocate about it... there are too many people here. We need to be killing as many as we can


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Shouldn't the pro-life crowd also own their nihilism? That the vast majority of them only care about the child until it's born. After that it's on its own no matter how shitty of a life it was born into.

There is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.

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Yeah, I guess

If you agree with the pro-lifers

I do, in terms of the Christian morality of my upbringing

But I evolved beyond that... since I am not afraid of being smited with conflagrations and floods (sent down from the bearded man in the sky)... why should I NOT be in favor of the survival of our species? (I might evolve on that one too)

Abortion is a small part of a larger strategy of keeping us at survivable population levels. We will all eventually become “little Hitlers” if current trends continue

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I don't disagree with anything in your original post and I don't agree with the pro-lifers. It's a complicated issue with no good solution and over-population is a yuge and growing problem. Both sides are hypocrites and I enjoy sitting in the "mushy middle" (thanks Ivy!) and pointing out their hypocrisies.
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The rapist should be castrated.

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Kill the baby...

...and sterilize the girl...

...and kill the girls parents too...

...along with everyone else that lives in that same shitty trailer park...

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mainejeff wrote:The rapist should be castrated.

:coffee:

You opinion doesnt matter but just think of the rapist as a doctor and the 11 year old as a fetus then in your mind its totally OK to murder it. Sleep well
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kalm wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Deliver it and put it up for adoption.

Then throw the parents in jail for letting their 11 year old ****.

Sickening you guys would rather murder the baby

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:The rapist should be castrated.

:coffee:

You opinion doesnt matter but just think of the rapist as a doctor and the 11 year old as a fetus then in your mind its totally OK to murder it. Sleep well
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:The rapist should be castrated.

:coffee:

You opinion doesnt matter but just think of the rapist as a doctor and the 11 year old as a fetus then in your mind its totally OK to murder it. Sleep well
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UNI88 wrote:That the vast majority of them only care about the child until it's born. After that it's on its own no matter how shitty of a life it was born into....
And there it goes... :coffee:
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mainejeff wrote:The rapist should be castrated.

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89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:That the vast majority of them only care about the child until it's born. After that it's on its own no matter how shitty of a life it was born into....
And there it goes... :coffee:
First I was trying to point that both sides can be narrow-minded, hypocritical and nihilistic. Second I don't count you among that majority 89. It's a complicated issue.

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UNI88 wrote:
89Hen wrote: And there it goes... :coffee:
First I was trying to point that both sides can be narrow-minded, hypocritical and nihilistic. Second I don't count you among that majority 89. It's a complicated issue.
They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:The rapist should be castrated.

:coffee:

You opinion doesnt matter but just think of the rapist as a doctor and the 11 year old as a fetus then in your mind its totally OK to murder it. Sleep well
I will sleep well when you are 6 feet under.

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89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:First I was trying to point that both sides can be narrow-minded, hypocritical and nihilistic. Second I don't count you among that majority 89. It's a complicated issue.
They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
In regard to men not being able to tell women what to do, does gun control work the same way? If you don't own a gun, you don't get to be part of the discussion?
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SeattleGriz wrote:
89Hen wrote: They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
In regard to men not being able to tell women what to do, does gun control work the same way? If you don't own a gun, you don't get to be part of the discussion?
Yeah that makes sense... nice analogy

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89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:First I was trying to point that both sides can be narrow-minded, hypocritical and nihilistic. Second I don't count you among that majority 89. It's a complicated issue.
They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
And on the pro-life side, what about the hypocrisy of opposing sex ed, contraceptives and the many good things that planned Parenthood and similar groups provide that can actually help reduce abortions? Which side has more/fewer straw-men probably depends whether you're pro-life or choice.

You've demonstrated the ability and open mind to adapt your positions based on information. Too many people on both sides haven't.

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89Hen wrote: They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
93hen already said it in his own way:
It's not a cut and dry murder debate as much as that's the only ground Pro-Life has to stand on...
Even guys like CID announcing that "Honesty" is all that's required to fully understand it

It has to be completely isolated in a vacuum with no other data just "Murder"
in order for that argument to stand - unfortunately - the ugly world gets in the way
and the scenarios and situations range wildly

abortion in murder = murder is illegal
guns kill = guns should be illegal

it's never that simple - the Left gun control argument is myopic and stupid
and the Rights Abortion argument is myopic and stupid

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Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:In regard to men not being able to tell women what to do, does gun control work the same way? If you don't own a gun, you don't get to be part of the discussion?
Yeah that makes sense... nice analogy

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UNI88 wrote:
89Hen wrote: They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
And on the pro-life side, what about the hypocrisy of opposing sex ed, contraceptives and the many good things that planned Parenthood and similar groups provide that can actually help reduce abortions? Which side has more/fewer straw-men probably depends whether you're pro-life or choice.

You've demonstrated the ability and open mind to adapt your positions based on information. Too many people on both sides haven't.
Those again are red herrings for the pro-choice side in an attempt to divert the discussion. I am 100% in favor of sex ed and birth control, as I'm sure many on the pro-life side are.
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: They sure can, but I do think the pro-choice side has several more red herrings than the pro-life side. The rape/incest is not a red herring per se, but it is a quick default when they feel the discussion slipping away from them. The others:

- If men could get pregnant they would have abortions available at Starbucks.
- Men shouldn't have any say over a women's body.
- It should be between a woman and her doctor.

and

- Pro-life people don't care about the baby once it's born.

None of these speak to the actual morality of the issue and are only meant to deflect and confuse.
93hen already said it in his own way:
It's not a cut and dry murder debate as much as that's the only ground Pro-Life has to stand on...
Even guys like CID announcing that "Honesty" is all that's required to fully understand it

It has to be completely isolated in a vacuum with no other data just "Murder"
in order for that argument to stand - unfortunately - the ugly world gets in the way
and the scenarios and situations range wildly

abortion in murder = murder is illegal
guns kill = guns should be illegal

it's never that simple - the Left gun control argument is myopic and stupid
and the Rights Abortion argument is myopic and stupid

:coffee:
No Mr Smarty Pants, you are stupid.

Seriously though, that was one of your worst posts ever.

I am pro-life and I do not stand on murder. You guys have tried time and time again to paint me into a corner on whether a woman who has an abortion should be tried for first degree murder. I'm not down with that. But not knowing exactly what the punishment should be for a crime doesn't mean it shouldn't be a crime.

FTR, SG's analogy wasn't really that bad. Society as a whole makes laws these days. Not one gender or race.
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