The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[CID1990]

Do you mean socialistic policies sprinkled into an otherwise wildly successful supply side cult?

Because that’s what we are- and it doesnt mean we need to sprinkle more socialist sugar into it

because the patient already has diabetes


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Don’t worry, the debt will become important again and austerity will be preached the next time a Democrat is in office.

You mean *real* debt?

Or the artificial “debt” that buried the Soviet Union? That debt?

Don’t go conflating Congressional largesse spending with capitalism/socialism

people might think you’re dissembling... or just listening to yourself talk


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[UNI88]

Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It



Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?

I'll just comment on this statement:

Every time the U.S. has enacted big tax cuts, its economy has blossomed. The economy's post-Obama pickup came from the 2017 tax reduction and deregulation.

There hasn't been a post Obama pickup. The economy has continued basically as it was going. Also, there was a definite upshift in the economy that continued through Clinton's tax increases.

Forbes is playing upon the same basic false premise that there has been a notable change in the economy since Trump got elected. And there hasn't been.

John you focus on one small part of the article and focus on it because it's positive about Trump? Pull your head out of the sand, your rectum or wherever it's stuck and look at the bigger picture.

Kalm, nothing to say about your beloved Scandanavian countries moving away from socialism?

The article and Forbes aren't perfect but they make some good points.

CID, the patient already has diabetes comment is killer and I'm stealing it.

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[kalm]

Don’t worry, the debt will become important again and austerity will be preached the next time a Democrat is in office.

You mean *real* debt?

Or the artificial “debt” that buried the Soviet Union? That debt?

Don’t go conflating Congressional largesse spending with capitalism/socialism

people might think you’re dissembling... or just listening to yourself talk


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Fair enough...if you promise to no longer yconflate supply side with long term growth that benefits the middle class. Give me a credit card without restrictions and I can make it rain too.

For those interested...here’s a far better take than Forbes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440636786

[CID1990]

You mean *real* debt?

Or the artificial “debt” that buried the Soviet Union? That debt?

Don’t go conflating Congressional largesse spending with capitalism/socialism

people might think you’re dissembling... or just listening to yourself talk


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Fair enough...if you promise to no longer yconflate supply side with long term growth that benefits the middle class. Give me a credit card without restrictions and I can make it rain too.

For those interested...here’s a far better take than Forbes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440636786

Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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[kalm]

Fair enough...if you promise to no longer yconflate supply side with long term growth that benefits the middle class. Give me a credit card without restrictions and I can make it rain too.

For those interested...here’s a far better take than Forbes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440636786

Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

[Ivytalk]

Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

You mean you question what you thought?

Put a period there, Wilmer.

[kalm]

Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

You mean you question what you thought?

Put a period there, Wilmer.

I was quoting CID...

And make me

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[CID1990]

Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

Compared to the alternatives?

Yes

It has produced literally everything you own


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[kalm]

Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

Compared to the alternatives?

Yes

It has produced literally everything you own


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Okay Dokay.

As you know, I like capitalism. Regulated capitalism with a sprinkle of social safety nets and infrastructure despite the peril that comes with each. That is not supply side.

But I get it. Supply side produced my cheap Chinese crap and expensive danish furniture so I guess I shoukd be grateful.

[SeattleGriz]

Well, in talking with my former colleagues, they are very busy now.
And in talking with people in the golf business outside of the Palousian wasteland, business is better.
And of course, health insurance companies continue to flourish.

Whoopie anecdotal!

I have a relative about to declare bankruptcy with a 6 figure income due to healthcare expenses. I have friends with similar incomes (which is a ton in the Spokane economy), living paycheck to paycheck.

My parents 30 years ago were retiring in their 50’s, traveling the world, and owned a vacation home on teachers and coaching salaries.

I knew people who worked their way through college.

(Not all Trumps fault...and I’m sure he’s working on it)

I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

[CAA Flagship]

I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.

[kalm]

I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.

I don’t get it.

[SeattleGriz]

I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.

Ooh. That's sounds better!

[Winterborn]

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.

I don’t get it.

Have to come at it from the perspective of a gutter.

[CAA Flagship]

I don’t get it.

Have to come at it from the perspective of a gutter.

Heh heh.

[AZGrizFan]

Dow has best June since 1938. 81 fucking years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.

[CID1990]

Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.

Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.

[JohnStOnge]

Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.

Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.

The way I would put it is that we are basically in the same situation we were in during the previous years of the recovery that started in 2009. One could debate whether or not it's SOMEWHAT better than it would've been otherwise but we are pretty much basically in the same place as we would've been if things had continued in the same way as they've continued since the current recovery began.

The idea that Trump "turned things around" is ridiculous. He took over when things were going in a positive direction and things have continued in a positive direction.

Now, that means I was wrong. I did not think things would continue in a positive direction But, still, that is all that has happened.

[BDKJMU]

June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump

[kalm]

June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump

And he's not even an oil man, wow!

[AZGrizFan]

Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.

Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.

Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so fucking stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.

[css75]

Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.

Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.

JSO bases his “facts” on one thing only, Orange man bad.


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[Ibanez]

June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump

Trump is drilling all that oil?



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[Ibanez]

Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.

Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so fucking stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.

Who is to say that the polices Bush and Obama enacted aren’t responsible (even partially) for the current economy?



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[css75]

Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.

Who is to say that the polices Bush and Obama enacted aren’t responsible (even partially) for the current economy?

If you want to believe Obama generated great oil production, then you will need to be known as JSO II.

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