I must admit that I didn't know what it was either until I decided to look it up today. I always thought it was kind of an earthen wall. Kind of a levee looking thing. Now I see that's not what it is.93henfan wrote:[
And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no **** clue what a "rampart" is.
And again, NO ONE here is arguing there was a turnaround. We’ve acknowledged numerous times it’s a continuation. You keep wanting to have that straw man argument when literally no one here is saying that.JohnStOnge wrote:The statistics tell us what the bottom line is. The situation. Cause and effect leading to the situation is a different question. I have for years taken the position that it's a mistake to vote based on the economy because it's a very complex situation with a multitude of factors. I've argued that one can't say there's a direct cause and effect between who is President and what the economy is doing.UNI88 wrote:
Absolutely.
No matter how much JSO wants to boil it down to simple statistics, the economy is complicated and impacted by a yuge number of short and long-term factors - oil and gas production being bigly.
Can you make a legitimate argument that Trump has just continued the positive Obama economy? Yes.
Can you make an argument that it's a major accomplishment for Trump that the economy has maintained its positive trend despite the headwinds? Yes.
Can you say that some of the headwinds were self inflicted? Yes, tariffs being a prime example.
Whether by design or dumb-luck, the economy has continued to steam ahead under Trump.
My position is not to try to argue cause and effect. It is simply to counter the argument that the economy is good because of Trump. It was good before Trump. Before one can even speculate about cause and effect one has to be able to show something "significant" happened. And nothing "significant" has happened. Again: If someone woke up from a Rip Van Winkle nap and looked at graphs showing trends in all the economic indicators people look at over the past 10 or 20 years they would not see anything to indicate a significant change in the way the economy was going around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017. They'd see that something significant happened around 2008 and 2009 and that the economy has been in recovery since then.
I'm not the one arguing cause and effect. The people who are claiming there was some kind of turnaround or change caused by Trump are doing that.
Absolutely... ^ thisAZGrizFan wrote: What you fail to understand or refuse to acknowledge is that Trump has improved on virtually ALL of Obama’s numbers despite 9 rate increases by the Fed (Obama faced ZERO increases), despite the Fed unwinding their $4T balance sheet (as opposed to Obama enjoying precisely the opposite in QE2 and QE3), and that he’s taken economic numbers to places not seen in decades. Breaking 50, 60, 70, 80 year old records. Setting ALL TIME HIGHS in a number of indices.
Just say it John...admit it. You won’t explode. You won’t go to hell. I mean Christ, for me it’s the only thing that makes Trump tolerable.
CID1990 wrote:I wonder if they did have some Sherman tanks there or not..Ibanez wrote:How are our brand new Sherman tanks?
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I love the early models - they had cast hulls instead of rolled armor, and the motor was Pratt & Whitney radial airplane engine
Just climbing in one of those things was an act of heroism
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Those two things have always led to sustained middle class growth and deficit reduction in the past...Chizzang wrote:Absolutely... ^ thisAZGrizFan wrote: What you fail to understand or refuse to acknowledge is that Trump has improved on virtually ALL of Obama’s numbers despite 9 rate increases by the Fed (Obama faced ZERO increases), despite the Fed unwinding their $4T balance sheet (as opposed to Obama enjoying precisely the opposite in QE2 and QE3), and that he’s taken economic numbers to places not seen in decades. Breaking 50, 60, 70, 80 year old records. Setting ALL TIME HIGHS in a number of indices.
Just say it John...admit it. You won’t explode. You won’t go to hell. I mean Christ, for me it’s the only thing that makes Trump tolerable.
a continuation of a growing economy but with some added perks
1) rolling back regulations and flat our removing many
2) expanding corporate tax breaks
That right there ^ is enough
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ed18e7388ekalm wrote:Those two things have always led to sustained middle class growth and deficit reduction in the past...Chizzang wrote:
Absolutely... ^ this
a continuation of a growing economy but with some added perks
1) rolling back regulations and flat our removing many
2) expanding corporate tax breaks
That right there ^ is enough
You might want read your own articles a little closer and then search similar articles in 1986 and 2006.AZGrizFan wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ed18e7388ekalm wrote:
Those two things have always led to sustained middle class growth and deficit reduction in the past...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 816053002/
I read ‘em. It ain’t perfect and we have along way to go, but Middle class growing. Wages growing. If the expectation is that the wealth gap will magically shrink, then I’ve got some oceanfront property in AZ I’ll sell you.kalm wrote:You might want read your own articles a little closer and then search similar articles in 1986 and 2006.
I never mentioned the wealth gap. I said sustained middle class growth and deficit reduction. Keep cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy and the deficit will magically shrink with the increased revenues. It will happen this time for sure!AZGrizFan wrote:I read ‘em. It ain’t perfect and we have along way to go, but Middle class growing. Wages growing. If the expectation is that the wealth gap will magically shrink, then I’ve got some oceanfront property in AZ I’ll sell you.kalm wrote:
You might want read your own articles a little closer and then search similar articles in 1986 and 2006.
Most of our early tanks used them. I think the Shermans all had them until the M4A2houndawg wrote:CID1990 wrote:
I wonder if they did have some Sherman tanks there or not..
I love the early models - they had cast hulls instead of rolled armor, and the motor was Pratt & Whitney radial airplane engine
Just climbing in one of those things was an act of heroism
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that doesn't sound like a good pairing
I’m aware the links were related to the middle class growth and didn’t address the deficit. I’m not thrilled about that either....wish we could quit throwing money down the “war” gopher holes...kalm wrote:I never mentioned the wealth gap. I said sustained middle class growth and deficit reduction. Keep cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy and the deficit will magically shrink with the increased revenues. It will happen this time for sure!AZGrizFan wrote:
I read ‘em. It ain’t perfect and we have along way to go, but Middle class growing. Wages growing. If the expectation is that the wealth gap will magically shrink, then I’ve got some oceanfront property in AZ I’ll sell you.
..maybe that will decrease as the big boys and administration officials get serious about monetizing brown children? I'm not optimistic but you never know about the unintended consequences. Right now they're worth in the neighborhood of a quarter million per kid per year, if you can hang on to them for that long. Keep costs down on stuff like toothpaste and soap, cut in a couple of cabinet officials, and you're looking at some nice returns for the investors...AZGrizFan wrote:I’m aware the links were related to the middle class growth and didn’t address the deficit. I’m not thrilled about that either....wish we could quit throwing money down the “war” gopher holes...kalm wrote:
I never mentioned the wealth gap. I said sustained middle class growth and deficit reduction. Keep cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy and the deficit will magically shrink with the increased revenues. It will happen this time for sure!
They almost had to be exposed from the rear?CID1990 wrote:Most of our early tanks used them. I think the Shermans all had them until the M4A2houndawg wrote:
that doesn't sound like a good pairing
The engine was lightweight, and pretty much the beat we had when the early tanks were being designed in the 1920s-1930s.
But an air cooled motor in a tank just isnt the first choice I’d make
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Open grate in the top behind the turret.houndawg wrote:They almost had to be exposed from the rear?CID1990 wrote:
Most of our early tanks used them. I think the Shermans all had them until the M4A2
The engine was lightweight, and pretty much the beat we had when the early tanks were being designed in the 1920s-1930s.
But an air cooled motor in a tank just isnt the first choice I’d make
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So what you’re saying is that if the Dems stop encouraging illegals to storm the border, we’ll go back to killing ragheads instead?houndawg wrote:..maybe that will decrease as the big boys and administration officials get serious about monetizing brown children? I'm not optimistic but you never know about the unintended consequences. Right now they're worth in the neighborhood of a quarter million per kid per year, if you can hang on to them for that long. Keep costs down on stuff like toothpaste and soap, cut in a couple of cabinet officials, and you're looking at some nice returns for the investors...AZGrizFan wrote:
I’m aware the links were related to the middle class growth and didn’t address the deficit. I’m not thrilled about that either....wish we could quit throwing money down the “war” gopher holes...
I'm fine with it when they're systematically attempting to destroy America and turn it into the shitholes they ran from.Ibanez wrote:so how do we feel about a white man telling brown/black people to go back to where they came from?
weren't they born here..?AZGrizFan wrote:I'm fine with it when they're systematically attempting to destroy America and turn it into the shitholes they ran from.Ibanez wrote:so how do we feel about a white man telling brown/black people to go back to where they came from?
Omar?Chizzang wrote:weren't they born here..?AZGrizFan wrote:
I'm fine with it when they're systematically attempting to destroy America and turn it into the shitholes they ran from.
They - the 4 women he tweeted and told to go home...AZGrizFan wrote:Omar?Chizzang wrote:
weren't they born here..?
And "they" is a generic term. Their parents?
All he had to do was STFU and watch them implode from within....Chizzang wrote:They - the 4 women he tweeted and told to go home...AZGrizFan wrote:
Omar?
And "they" is a generic term. Their parents?
"In an act of political stupidity that is simply jaw-dropping, Trump manages to focus in on the least-legitimate lines of criticism, that these women supposedly come from some other country and that they are “loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.” They’re all elected members of Congress. Love them or hate them, they all legitimately won House races in heavily Democratic congressional districts. Each one has the same one vote out of 435 that every other member has..."
All but 1 were born hereAZGrizFan wrote:I'm fine with it when they're systematically attempting to destroy America and turn it into the shitholes they ran from.Ibanez wrote:so how do we feel about a white man telling brown/black people to go back to where they came from?
Trump can't help but to step on his own toes. WHat a stupid fuckAZGrizFan wrote:All he had to do was STFU and watch them implode from within....Chizzang wrote:
They - the 4 women he tweeted and told to go home...
"In an act of political stupidity that is simply jaw-dropping, Trump manages to focus in on the least-legitimate lines of criticism, that these women supposedly come from some other country and that they are “loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.” They’re all elected members of Congress. Love them or hate them, they all legitimately won House races in heavily Democratic congressional districts. Each one has the same one vote out of 435 that every other member has..."
Great place for one of these:CID1990 wrote:Open grate in the top behind the turret.houndawg wrote:
They almost had to be exposed from the rear?
Stupid thing to say/tweet...AZGrizFan wrote:All he had to do was STFU and watch them implode from within....Chizzang wrote:
They - the 4 women he tweeted and told to go home...
"In an act of political stupidity that is simply jaw-dropping, Trump manages to focus in on the least-legitimate lines of criticism, that these women supposedly come from some other country and that they are “loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.” They’re all elected members of Congress. Love them or hate them, they all legitimately won House races in heavily Democratic congressional districts. Each one has the same one vote out of 435 that every other member has..."