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SeattleGriz wrote:Yep. It's from NOAA. As soon as I get home, I can post the graph.
YOU... are a fraud

You identified the source you wanted to use
now you're suggesting it's the wrong source

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A swing and a miss. But nice try.

I pointed out that NOAA very rarely uses the data from their own USCRN (US Climate Reference Network), and when they do, it really messes with their published story of continually rising temperatures. If you read the information under the Time Series description, it states:
National USHCN monthly temperature updates have been discontinued. The official CONUS temperature record is now based upon nClimDiv. USHCN data for January 1895 to August 2014 will remain available for historical comparison.
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According to GAO’s survey of weather forecast offices, about 42 percent of the active stations in 2010 did not meet one or more of the siting standards. With regard to management requirements, GAO found that the weather forecast offices had generally but not always met the requirements to conduct annual station inspections and to update station records. NOAA officials told GAO that it is important to annually visit stations and keep records up to date, including siting conditions, so that NOAA and other users of the data know the conditions under which they were recorded. NOAA officials identified a variety of challenges that contribute to some stations not adhering to siting standards and management requirements, including the use of temperature measuring equipment that is connected by a cable to an indoor readout device— which can require installing equipment closer to buildings than specified in the siting standards.

NOAA does not centrally track whether USHCN stations adhere to siting standards and the requirement to update station records, and it does not have an agency wide policy regarding stations that do not meet its siting standards. Performance management guidelines call for using performance information to assess program results. NOAA’s information systems, however, are not designed to centrally track whether stations in the USHCN meet its siting standards or the requirement to update station records. Without centrally available information, NOAA cannot easily measure the performance of the USHCN in meeting siting standards and management requirements.
So NOAA uses stations that are substandard to feed the "warmest year ever" narrative, while suppressing the actual network that was designed to not have those problems.

Hmmm. Seems to me as if I nailed this one.

There are three data sets available. I simply used the most accurate dataset to debunk your claim.
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That's a really long answer...
you want to give me an answer that I'll read ?

and secondly
Do you think arguing that the earths temperatures a NOT rising is a reasonable position to take ?


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The short answer is that NOAA has three data sets they can cite from their networks of weather stations. They continually use the network that has problems with accuracy.

I cited the network that was designed to give accurate readings. It contradicted your story that we are getting hotter and hotter.

As to your question about my stance, what time frame are we talking?
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SeattleGriz wrote:The short answer is that NOAA has three data sets they can cite from their networks of weather stations. They continually use the network that has problems with accuracy.

I cited the network that was designed to give accurate readings. It contradicted your story that we are getting hotter and hotter.

As to your question about my stance, what time frame are we talking?
You’ve dumped a lot of word salad on here and I still don’t know if you are denying that aggregate global temps are rising or not.

Are you a not?


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CID1990 wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:The short answer is that NOAA has three data sets they can cite from their networks of weather stations. They continually use the network that has problems with accuracy.

I cited the network that was designed to give accurate readings. It contradicted your story that we are getting hotter and hotter.

As to your question about my stance, what time frame are we talking?
You’ve dumped a lot of word salad on here and I still don’t know if you are denying that aggregate global temps are rising or not.

Are you a not?


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The short word salad: NOAA chooses to use bad data, when they have good data.

As to your question, I have no idea where we truly are in regards to warming. Are we topped out, are we in a larger cycle?

If we are, I would have to say man plays some part, just so I can be part of the consensus.

I'm really surprised by the lack of caring about quality data.
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CID1990 wrote:
You’ve dumped a lot of word salad on here and I still don’t know if you are denying that aggregate global temps are rising or not.

Are you a not?


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The short word salad: NOAA chooses to use bad data, when they have good data.

As to your question, I have no idea where we truly are in regards to warming. Are we topped out, are we in a larger cycle?

If we are, I would have to say man plays some part, just so I can be part of the consensus.

I'm really surprised by the lack of caring about quality data.
Still not going to answer a simple question... (wow)
Since we've had thermometers is there an observable upward trend in global average temperature (period)

please just answer that very simple question


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Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:The short word salad: NOAA chooses to use bad data, when they have good data.

As to your question, I have no idea where we truly are in regards to warming. Are we topped out, are we in a larger cycle?

If we are, I would have to say man plays some part, just so I can be part of the consensus.

I'm really surprised by the lack of caring about quality data.
Still not going to answer a simple question... (wow)
Since we've had thermometers is there an observable upward trend in global average temperature (period)

please just answer that very simple question


Jeezus it's like working with a preacher
is God omnipotent or not - it's a simple fucking question that gets a full dance routine answer
Just because you have proven you don't understand graphs or the importance of accurate data isn't my problem.

And to answer your question, yes God is omnipotent.

:lol:

Actually, I already answered the question. I said if the experts say it is climbing, then I'll agree, but when you see what they publish and what their own "premiere data set" tells you, I have to wonder just how accurate they really are.

When the NOAA monthly summary for June says it is .2F hotter than average and then their "premiere data set" says it was .14 cooler than average. This sort of shenanigans would get laughed out of real research. The temperature rise is about 1 degree since the 1900's and in one month they are willing to be off by .34? A 1/3 of the total?

Wonder why NOAA isn't using these weather stations...the ones that gave a .14 cooler reading?
Data from NOAA's premiere surface reference network. The contiguous U.S. network of 114 stations was completed in 2008. There are two USCRN stations in Hawaii and deployment of a network of 29 stations in Alaska continues. The vision of the USCRN program is to maintain a sustainable high-quality climate observation network that 50 years from now can with the highest degree of confidence answer the question: How has the climate of the Nation changed over the past 50 years?
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You are a piece of work
The scientific consensus is unanimous

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

I was asking about YOU
what do YOU believe

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What's the Christian consensus on that one ?
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Chizzang wrote:You are a piece of work
The scientific consensus is unanimous

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

I was asking about YOU
what do YOU believe

Note:
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What's the Christian consensus on that one ?
And you don't pay attention. I already admitted I would agree to the Earth warming AND to believing man is the cause of some undetermined portion. That places me in the consensus.

Yes, that is right. You only have to believe those two questions. Is the Earth warming and does man contribute to this warming? They really set the bar high on those questions.

You must have been looking all day for your gotcha and dying to throw it out, because it had no place in this discussion. Lol.

I expected more from a varsity letterman on this board.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Chizzang wrote:You are a piece of work
The scientific consensus is unanimous

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

I was asking about YOU
what do YOU believe

Note:
Why does our omnipotent god murder 25,000 children ever day..?
What's the Christian consensus on that one ?
And you don't pay attention. I already admitted I would agree to the Earth warming AND to believing man is the cause of some undetermined portion. That places me in the consensus.

Yes, that is right. You only have to believe those two questions. Is the Earth warming and does man contribute to this warming? They really set the bar high on those questions.

You must have been looking all day for your gotcha and dying to throw it out, because it had no place in this discussion. Lol.

I expected more from a varsity letterman on this board.
I don't even necessarily believe the entire upward temperature trend is human
and I wasn't asking that - nor do I really care about that

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A: Yes there is no doubt that the average yearly global temperature is going up

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In 1979, I did a senior communications thesis on the impacts of cartoon violence on growing children...

I tallied all the violent acts on Saturday morning cartoons, especially Warner Brothers cartoons (Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, etc) and proposed that this growing level of violence would desensitize young people to violence as they grew up...

The prof gave me a B-...mostly because of the analytical work that I showed...but he poo-pooed my conclusion, saying kids are either violent or not...a cartoon could not make them that way...





I admit freely that I did the study so I had a perfect excuse to watch Saturday morning cartoons...

I grew up watching the Three Stooges, and I have never felt the need to poke someone in the eyes or hit them with a frying pan... 8-)
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Chizzang wrote:Image
In 1979, I did a senior communications thesis on the impacts of cartoon violence on growing children...

I tallied all the violent acts on Saturday morning cartoons, especially Warner Brothers cartoons (Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, etc) and proposed that this growing level of violence would desensitize young people to violence as they grew up...

The prof gave me a B-...mostly because of the analytical work that I showed...but he poo-pooed my conclusion, saying kids are either violent or not...a cartoon could not make them that way...





I admit freely that I did the study so I had a perfect excuse to watch Saturday morning cartoons...

I grew up watching the Three Stooges, and I have never felt the need to poke someone in the eyes or hit them with a frying pan... 8-)
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CID1990 wrote: I frequently considered dropping an anvil on my little brother when I was a kid.

The only thing that stopped me was I couldn’t find the Acme store
There are many in NJ. Probably next to Wawas and Pizzerias.

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