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So I see we're moving on to calling it "bribery" now since nobody knows what quid pro quo means.
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Huh?HI54UNI wrote:So I see we're moving on to calling it "bribery" now since nobody knows what quid pro quo means.
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John Dean on CNN this morning?HI54UNI wrote:So I see we're moving on to calling it "bribery" now since nobody knows what quid pro quo means.
I've said it here - quid pro quo (this for that) isn't necessarily wrong. Foreign aid SHOULD have conditions.
But they shouldn't be for personal/political gain.
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Is it only personal/political gain if you're asking to investigate the #1 candidate for one of the two major parties? Wouldn't that be in the interest of the country as a whole to some extent?Ibanez wrote:John Dean on CNN this morning?HI54UNI wrote:So I see we're moving on to calling it "bribery" now since nobody knows what quid pro quo means.
I've said it here - quid pro quo (this for that) isn't necessarily wrong. Foreign aid SHOULD have conditions.
But they shouldn't be for personal/political gain.
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If Biden needs to be investigated for something wrong, why isn't the DOJ investigating it? Why ask a foreign government?89Hen wrote:Is it only personal/political gain if you're asking to investigate the #1 candidate for one of the two major parties? Wouldn't that be in the interest of the country as a whole to some extent?Ibanez wrote: John Dean on CNN this morning?
I've said it here - quid pro quo (this for that) isn't necessarily wrong. Foreign aid SHOULD have conditions.
But they shouldn't be for personal/political gain.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1WQ2OVU.S. President Donald Trump on Friday told reporters he has not asked the Department of Justice to investigate activities by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.
Seems to me the DOJ, not Ukraine, should be investigating Biden.
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The Republicans finally get the public, transparent hearings that they wanted then voted against. Should be a shit show.
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Cons bitchin' about "the deep state" for 3+ years so it figures it was projection the whole time and they're now defending communication outside of legal and politically accountable channels.
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Both should be.Ibanez wrote:If Biden needs to be investigated for something wrong, why isn't the DOJ investigating it? Why ask a foreign government?89Hen wrote: Is it only personal/political gain if you're asking to investigate the #1 candidate for one of the two major parties? Wouldn't that be in the interest of the country as a whole to some extent?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1WQ2OVU.S. President Donald Trump on Friday told reporters he has not asked the Department of Justice to investigate activities by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.
Seems to me the DOJ, not Ukraine, should be investigating Biden.
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No they don't.Ibanez wrote:The Republicans finally get the public, transparent hearings that they wanted then voted against. Should be a shit show.
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Sondland is a genuine American patriot. Questioned corruption, stood up to it, documented everything.
The final part of his opening statement is on point:
The final part of his opening statement is on point:
There are two Ukraine stories today. The first is the one we are discussing this morning and that you have been hearing for the past two weeks. It is a rancorous story about whistle blowers, Mr. Giuliani, side channels, quid pro quos, corruption, and interference in elections. In this story Ukraine is merely an object.
But there is another Ukraine story—a positive, bipartisan one. In this second story, Ukraine is the subject. This one is about young people in a 20 young nation, struggling to break free of its past, hopeful that their new government will finally usher in a new Ukraine, proud of its independence from Russia, eager to join Western institutions and enjoy a more secure and prosperous life. This story describes a nation developing an inclusive, democratic nationalism, not unlike what we in America, in our best moments, feel about our diverse country—less concerned about what language we speak, what religion if any we practice, where our parents and grandparents came from; more concerned about building a new country."
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Why doesn't he just wrap himself in a Ukrainian flag.∞∞∞ wrote:Sondland is a genuine American patriot. Questioned corruption, stood up to it, and documented everything.
His final summary is amazing:There are two Ukraine stories today. The first is the one we are discussing this morning and that you have been hearing for the past two weeks. It is a rancorous story about whistle blowers, Mr. Giuliani, side channels, quid pro quos, corruption, and interference in elections. In this story Ukraine is merely an object.
But there is another Ukraine story—a positive, bipartisan one. In this second story, Ukraine is the subject. This one is about young people in a 20 young nation, struggling to break free of its past, hopeful that their new government will finally usher in a new Ukraine, proud of its independence from Russia, eager to join Western institutions and enjoy a more secure and prosperous life. This story describes a nation developing an inclusive, democratic nationalism, not unlike what we in America, in our best moments, feel about our diverse country—less concerned about what language we speak, what religion if any we practice, where our parents and grandparents came from; more concerned about building a new country."
You are such a sucker for hyperbole.
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Because I have empathy.AZGrizFan wrote:Why doesn't he just wrap himself in a Ukrainian flag.
You are such a sucker for hyperbole.
You defend a man of cares more about a conspiracy theory than an entire country worth of people.
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Are they not on TV? Do they not get equal time to question the witnesses?BDKJMU wrote:No they don't.Ibanez wrote:The Republicans finally get the public, transparent hearings that they wanted then voted against. Should be a shit show.
Or are the Reps still butt hurt that they were in the private hearings (well, the ones that decided to show up) and they couldn't use the media to get their defense out there?
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If Biden did something wrong, he should certainly be investigated by our DOJ primarily. If he did something illegal in Ukraine, they should investigate him.89Hen wrote:Both should be.Ibanez wrote:
If Biden needs to be investigated for something wrong, why isn't the DOJ investigating it? Why ask a foreign government?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1WQ2OV
Seems to me the DOJ, not Ukraine, should be investigating Biden.
Trump should NOT be asking for a foreign country to investigate a political rival. At the least, it is quite unethical. It's wrong. Let the DOJ do it through the proper channels.
Is it impeachable? I don't know. But it is shady as heck.
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The witnesses approved by the donks.Ibanez wrote:Are they not on TV? Do they not get equal time to question the witnesses?BDKJMU wrote: No they don't.
Or are the Reps still butt hurt that they were in the private hearings (well, the ones that decided to show up) and they couldn't use the media to get their defense out there?
What they wanted was to equal opportunity to call witnesses, something they can't do without having Schiff's approval.BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote:The Republicans finally get the public, transparent hearings that they wanted then voted against. Should be a shit show.
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They can call witnesses. I'm sure the witnesses would have to have direct knowledge of the charges or be involved in someway either, something i'm not sure would qualify the Bidens. They weren't on the call nor were they involved with withholding aid.BDKJMU wrote:The witnesses approved by the donks.Ibanez wrote: Are they not on TV? Do they not get equal time to question the witnesses?
Or are the Reps still butt hurt that they were in the private hearings (well, the ones that decided to show up) and they couldn't use the media to get their defense out there?
What they wanted was to equal opportunity to call witnesses, something they can't do without having Schiff's approval.BDKJMU wrote:
But I can see your point.
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Schiff: "I don't know the name of the whistleblower".
Schiff: Issues warning against conks releasing the name of the whistleblower.
Well if Schiff doesn't know the name of the whistleblower, how will Schiff know if the conks release his name.
Schiff: Issues warning against conks releasing the name of the whistleblower.
Well if Schiff doesn't know the name of the whistleblower, how will Schiff know if the conks release his name.
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English.∞∞∞ wrote:Because I have empathy.AZGrizFan wrote:Why doesn't he just wrap himself in a Ukrainian flag.
You are such a sucker for hyperbole.
You defend a man of cares more about a conspiracy theory than an entire country worth of people.
It's hard.
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I don't think you need to know the name in order to warn people not to release the name. The IG knows. You're grasping at straws here.BDKJMU wrote:Schiff: "I don't know the name of the whistleblower".
Schiff: Issues warning against conks releasing the name of the whistleblower.
Well if Schiff doesn't know the name of the whistleblower, how will Schiff know if the conks release his name.
Do you need to commit a crime so that you can warn others not to do it?
I guess you attack the messengers when you can't defend the message.
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He knows who the whistleblower is. He chose to outright LIE. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.Ibanez wrote:I don't think you need to know the name in order to warn people not to release the name. The IG knows. You're grasping at straws here.BDKJMU wrote:Schiff: "I don't know the name of the whistleblower".
Schiff: Issues warning against conks releasing the name of the whistleblower.
Well if Schiff doesn't know the name of the whistleblower, how will Schiff know if the conks release his name.
Do you need to commit a crime so that you can warn others not to do it?
I guess you attack the messengers when you can't defend the message.
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The whole "identify the whistleblower" thing is yet another example of how far off the rails the Republican Party is right now. Obviously doing so would compromise a system that's in place for good reason. But the Republicans don't care. All but a handful have their heads up Trump's anus to their shoulders and will do or say anything to protect him regardless of how obvious it is that he did what he did.Ibanez wrote:I don't think you need to know the name in order to warn people not to release the name. The IG knows. You're grasping at straws here.BDKJMU wrote:Schiff: "I don't know the name of the whistleblower".
Schiff: Issues warning against conks releasing the name of the whistleblower.
Well if Schiff doesn't know the name of the whistleblower, how will Schiff know if the conks release his name.
Do you need to commit a crime so that you can warn others not to do it?
I guess you attack the messengers when you can't defend the message.
I saw a text from my son today that he sent in response to my daughter while monitoring the hearings. Here's what he said:
It really has been revealing, being former republicans, to see how cravenly they act in political self interest.
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No, we don't know it. We know there is a whistleblower identification thing going around the internet but it has not been verified. It's bad either way. I'm sure Schiff knows who has been pointed to on the internet. But that does not necessarily mean that he has verification of who the whistleblower is.AZGrizFan wrote:He knows who the whistleblower is. He chose to outright LIE. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.Ibanez wrote: I don't think you need to know the name in order to warn people not to release the name. The IG knows. You're grasping at straws here.
Do you need to commit a crime so that you can warn others not to do it?
I guess you attack the messengers when you can't defend the message.
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JohnStOnge wrote:The whole "identify the whistleblower" thing is yet another example of how far off the rails the Republican Party is right now. Obviously doing so would compromise a system that's in place for good reason. But the Republicans don't care. All but a handful have their heads up Trump's anus to their shoulders and will do or say anything to protect him regardless of how obvious it is that he did what he did.Ibanez wrote: I don't think you need to know the name in order to warn people not to release the name. The IG knows. You're grasping at straws here.
Do you need to commit a crime so that you can warn others not to do it?
I guess you attack the messengers when you can't defend the message.
I saw a text from my son today that he sent in response to my daughter while monitoring the hearings. Here's what he said:
It really has been revealing, being former republicans, to see how cravenly they act in political self interest.
Yep. It's just the republicans.
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I wasn't saying that Schiff didn't lie. Just that BDKs logic was wrong.AZGrizFan wrote:He knows who the whistleblower is. He chose to outright LIE. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.Ibanez wrote: I don't think you need to know the name in order to warn people not to release the name. The IG knows. You're grasping at straws here.
Do you need to commit a crime so that you can warn others not to do it?
I guess you attack the messengers when you can't defend the message.
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I thought it was established by the IG that the whistleblower sought advice from Schiff (or his staff), am I mistaken?JohnStOnge wrote:No, we don't know it. We know there is a whistleblower identification thing going around the internet but it has not been verified. It's bad either way. I'm sure Schiff knows who has been pointed to on the internet. But that does not necessarily mean that he has verification of who the whistleblower is.AZGrizFan wrote:
He knows who the whistleblower is. He chose to outright LIE. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.
I have a hard time believing that his staff didn't tell Schiff who it was.
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